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I also sent vision a e-mail full of gratitude,they didn't have to replace the non starter seeds. I didn't even buy the beans directly from them so I was even more surprised when they said they were going to.
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Economy seeds. the good, the bad and the ugly
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Hey GG
I cant tell you how many seedlings the paper towel method has cost me. Short soak and straight to medium has always worked best.
I am sure you will rock these out of the park. Drop a link in here when you get ya grow report going. Looking forward to it.
Vision has earned some rep points with me that's for sure.
I cant tell you how many seedlings the paper towel method has cost me. Short soak and straight to medium has always worked best.
I am sure you will rock these out of the park. Drop a link in here when you get ya grow report going. Looking forward to it.
Vision has earned some rep points with me that's for sure.
I may try that next time around. I've been toying with the idea of going straight from paper towels to blumats in 1 gal airpots, skipping the beer cup phase. I want to try very lightly sanding the seed points & seams, too.
The one thing I've learned from using the paper towel method is to really watch it, check 'em at least twice a day, get 'em into soil before the tails are more than 1/2" long. Otherwise, they get tangled with the paper fibers making it easy to damage them fatally when trying to extricate 'em.
When I kept tropical fish, I put the ziplocks w/ paper towels & seeds on the nice warm aquarium tops. The last couple of times I put 'em on top of the comcast cable box which is also warm. Seems to work OK. That might be useful when just soaking seeds, too.
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ganjygav
I've always germed my seeds with paper towels and never had a problem,maybe 1 or 2 seeds in the years that hadn't split. The 1 st pack of these northern lights none of the 5 seeds even split after 6 days. Just seemed to get smaller,harder and darker. I did some googling and there's a few results come up that suggests northern lights seeds can be difficult to germinate. This time I'm cutting out the towels and going straight to small pots of soil after the pre soak . Will switch on the 250w cfl after 48 hrs and put them under it. I've been caught out before and left the seeds in the dark too long and when I went to check on them they had broken the top of the soil. Stretched out about 6 inches,turned yellow and flopped over. NEVER AGAIN lol
Seems like your initial batch of seeds might have been mishandled somewhere along the way, like cooked in a delivery truck.
Once I put seeds in dirt, they go under the light 24/0 beneath a tent of bubble wrap to keep 'em moist. They don't see dark until they've been up long enough to gain some strength.
I agree with Jhhnn . I stick mine straight under my 400 watt MH to germ. tent never goes below 78 so I don't have to worry with a heating pad. The light also keeps them from stretching out of control or sending the tap the wrong direction. Just a little spray to keep them moist and let them go. Rarely a miss fire.
Mandala has some of the best germination tips I have found. Good read and definitely worth the time to check out.
Holler at yall later.
GT
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ha! I always recommend mandala's seed germination guide!
straight in the dirt just like every other plant works great for me!
straight in the dirt just like every other plant works great for me!
I really need to try the Mandala method w/ blumats. I really am a kinda lazy grower in my own way. I'm willing to put the time, effort & money up front to create good soil & conditions but not a fan of transplanting & I'm lousy at watering, for some reason. If I can skip the paper towel & beer cup phase, it'd be a good thing. Mostly, I want to put it together so that they can grow & do their thing w/o a lot of fussing.
Nomad28743
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Hello all,
I have seen the seeds sent from 3 different banks and they were all economy purchases. All the examples included small light colored and only a few seeds had the robust lightning bolts, round fat look of the bag seed I have seen over my 40 years of MJ involvement as a consumer. When spending $3-5/per seed it seems hey ought to look like the pictures some seed banks use in their advertising.
Which banks send big fat robust seeds and what do they cost on average?
I have seen the seeds sent from 3 different banks and they were all economy purchases. All the examples included small light colored and only a few seeds had the robust lightning bolts, round fat look of the bag seed I have seen over my 40 years of MJ involvement as a consumer. When spending $3-5/per seed it seems hey ought to look like the pictures some seed banks use in their advertising.
Which banks send big fat robust seeds and what do they cost on average?
Nice thread gt ..lots of nice gear out there for cheap... Papaya , has a real nice pheno... very oily resinous plant...nice sharp bite to it... strong tko high...
Dude lookin for dark beans check ace bro n there customerservice n freebies are the best..
Dude lookin for dark beans check ace bro n there customerservice n freebies are the best..
Here's Cantaloupe Skunk at 42 days of flower-
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1466204
They're very frosty & resinous w/ large colas trying to flop all over. I didn't anticipate that very well. They're kinda holding each other up in there. They mostly smell sweet in an undefinable way w/ a little cat pissy undertone. not strong at all. I'll report back at harvest.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1466204
They're very frosty & resinous w/ large colas trying to flop all over. I didn't anticipate that very well. They're kinda holding each other up in there. They mostly smell sweet in an undefinable way w/ a little cat pissy undertone. not strong at all. I'll report back at harvest.
Nomad28743
Member
TY Stoney, I will look them up after I post this.
Soverign...The picture was great thanks for posting it. However the clear packs on the bottom display exactly what I am talking about. The Freebies on the left look robust and dark while the bag on the right looks about like the other bags I have seen. It contains only 2 or 3 seeds that look mature, dark, somewhat fat. If I paid for that bag I would expect 10 dark robust seeds. Perhaps I am off base and those light small seeds will sprout just fine. Isn't the seed the basis for what the plants limitations will be? If the seed is not fully mature how can it reach the plants full potential?
I would really like to hear some feed back to educate me please.
Soverign...The picture was great thanks for posting it. However the clear packs on the bottom display exactly what I am talking about. The Freebies on the left look robust and dark while the bag on the right looks about like the other bags I have seen. It contains only 2 or 3 seeds that look mature, dark, somewhat fat. If I paid for that bag I would expect 10 dark robust seeds. Perhaps I am off base and those light small seeds will sprout just fine. Isn't the seed the basis for what the plants limitations will be? If the seed is not fully mature how can it reach the plants full potential?
I would really like to hear some feed back to educate me please.
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I've got a apology to make to vision seeds. The original pack I received that I thought didn't germinate have come up. I tossed the pots onto a windowsill and forgot about them. This morning I went to get the pots and look what I found. They look abit rough but they ain't had much light and the soil was bone dry. I've watered them and stuck them under a blue 250 cfl. In my defence,it did take 2 weeks for the seeds to come up after planting and they had 4 days of wet paper towels prior to that. I've got the second lot in soil for the past 4 days,I've put them in that same windowsill now and I'm gonna forget about them for a few days. Also only 3 out of 5 have germinated bit luckily I have that second pack
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I used to think the same thing about the small pale seeds but they are fine. I've got a bubblegum plant that's healthy and fine,a bit slow on the veg growth but that came from a seed I thought was immature. Also nirvana tend to sell a lot of seeds that look prem but if you look all over the forums people have some awesome results.
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ganjygav
Also the seeds I was talking about above were big fat dark things. They were extremely slow to germinate and I only got 3 seedlings from 5 seeds. Appearances can be deceiving
Nomad28743
Member
Stoney,
I went to look at Ace seeds and did not see any seeds I would be in interested for under $10/USD each. Man that seems extremely high (no pun intended). But maybe that's just because I am old and grew up in So Cal in the mid 60's when a four finger bag was $10.00 I guess. Also it's pretty much true you get what you pay for. Problem is it's harder these days to really actually get what you pay for.
TY Ganjygav,
Thanks for the opinion.
I went to look at Ace seeds and did not see any seeds I would be in interested for under $10/USD each. Man that seems extremely high (no pun intended). But maybe that's just because I am old and grew up in So Cal in the mid 60's when a four finger bag was $10.00 I guess. Also it's pretty much true you get what you pay for. Problem is it's harder these days to really actually get what you pay for.
TY Ganjygav,
Thanks for the opinion.
A seed that is less mature, if it sprouts, really has no bearing on the plants potential or genetics. It may not be the healthiest to start (meaning less stored nutrients to get it on its way) but in a controlled environment and with care to help it survive it should be no different than a plant from a more mature seed of the same. It may not do as well as a seedling from a mature seed in the wild but if it survives it will produce a plant that should be no different.
Of course there can be genetic differences amongst seeds that can cause phenotypical variances but this can occur with all seeds, less mature or completely mature. I’ve had robust looking seeds produce runts and immature looking seeds produce monsters.
Good thread, I’ve found some gems from seeds that didn’t break the bank.
Seed color & size can be deceptive, no doubt. Some varieties have smaller seeds, some larger, some lighter, some darker. I'm a little disappointed when they're still pale & green rather than tan, grey, brown or near black but the real test is in how they grow.
Long ago, circa 1970, a friend stationed in Korea sent us a care package of the local weed. The seeds were astoundingly large, much bigger than even the relatively large Mexican seeds we were accustomed to. It would actually mature outdoors in southern CO, unlike nearly all the Mexican stuff we tried to grow. We held it & grew it for several years, then lost it when the last guy who had seeds got greedy, planted all of them only for the Sheriff's dept to find the patch.
Long ago, circa 1970, a friend stationed in Korea sent us a care package of the local weed. The seeds were astoundingly large, much bigger than even the relatively large Mexican seeds we were accustomed to. It would actually mature outdoors in southern CO, unlike nearly all the Mexican stuff we tried to grow. We held it & grew it for several years, then lost it when the last guy who had seeds got greedy, planted all of them only for the Sheriff's dept to find the patch.
