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high life 45

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Thanks to everyone for dropping in and giving your 2 pesos. I am trying to help identify duds, what I might now call having a virus (most likely spread from bms).

It seems some people plants just dont perform well, while others, grow strangely before any real performance (bud growth) could be expected...I dont want this to turn into a trash "this person" thread, or your an asshole. Please help identify "duds" and share treatments (if any) that might have worked for you.

Have you ever seen a branch like this? ....just fan leaves, water leaves, whatever you wana call em..no actual nodes, or places for nugs to grow. Ill agree these girls look a little darker but they are getting the same feed of ec 1.2 as the rest of my girls and they look fine.

Either way there are several branches that look like this.

This is what I would consider "dud" growth. There isnt anywhere for bud to grow on these "branches"

The last one is a closeup of a terminal leaf, where you might expect a node to grow. Notice the change in color where the stem ends and the petiole begins.


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Heres some healthy seeds getting the same feed as the above plants.
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Personally, I think that some sort of virus spread via bms is the cause of this dud'n at this point.
But for now I just want to identify the growth, or lack there of.
 

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Does anyone else think this looks like a healthy plant? lol

Its not in perfect health, but at first glance it looks fine.
Upon closer inspection, the above posted fan leave branches can be found. This is exactly why I wanted to start this thread, so other people wont have to waste the resources and energy I did on these plants, which I may be tossing.
 

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That shit is crazy!!! I haven't ever seen anything like that in my 20 yrs. of growing!!! It looks like a branch that I have raped for every single possible clone on it. But for it to grow that way on it's own...there's gotta be something that happened to it. Maybe it got hit with some radiation like godzilla ? Some kind of stress must have caused it, idk. That shit is weird.
 

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This is interesting.

Molecular characterization of Aster yellows (16SrI) group
phytoplasma infecting Cannabis sativa in eastern Uttar Pradesh


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ob3Hf8Is_wFo2XtdFB5TGSQ&bvm=bv.66917471,d.b2k



I think so also, if you only focus on viruses or mites, nematodes, or insects, you miss bacterial disease....
-SamS

Also found similar problems in China and India and Iran.

CHINA:
Title: First report of witches’-broom disease in a Cannabis species and its association with a phytoplasma of elm yellows group (16SrV)
Authors
Zhao, Yan
Sun, Qingrong - TAIAN PEOPLES REP CHINA
Davis, Robert
Lee, Ing Ming
Liu, Qingzhong - TAIAN PEOPLES REP CHINA
Submitted to: Plant Disease
Publication Type: Peer Reviewed Journal
Publication Acceptance Date: October 15, 2006
Publication Date: February 1, 2007
Citation: Zhao, Y., Sun, Q., Davis, R.E., Lee, I., Liu, Q. 2007. First report of witches’-broom disease in a Cannabis species and its association with a phytoplasma of elm yellows group (16SrV). Plant Disease. 91:227.

http://www.ncaur.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=199976

INDIA:
‘Candidatus Phytoplasma asteris’ (group 16SrI) associated with a witches’-broom disease of Cannabis sativa in India

S. K. Raj*, S. K. Snehi, M. S. Khan andS. Kumar

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3059.2008.01920.x/full

Witch's Broom and Phyllody Like Symptoms of Diseases in Acalypha indica L. and Cannabis sativa L.- A New Report from Champaran, North Bihar

Singh R.B.a,1, Gupta P.K.b
http://iijfmt.indianjournals.com/ijor.aspx?target=ijor:ijsr1&volume=2&issue=4&article=024

Indian Phytopath. 64 (1) : 75-77 (2011)
Molecular characterization of Aster yellows (16SrI) group
phytoplasma infecting Cannabis sativa in eastern Uttar Pradesh
SMRITI MALL1, G.P. RAO*2 and P.P. UPADHYAYA1
RESEARCH ARTICLE

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ob3Hf8Is_wFo2XtdFB5TGSQ&bvm=bv.66917471,d.b2k

IRAN:
Characterization of Stolbur (16SrXII) Group Phytoplasmas Associated with Cannabis sativa Witches'-broom Disease in Iran
AUTHOR(S)Sichani, Fereshteh Vali; Bahar, Masoud; Zirak, Leila
PUB. DATEDecember 2011
Plant Pathology Journal;Dec2011, Vol. 10 Issue 4, p161

http://docsdrive.com/pdfs/ansinet/ppj/2011/161-167.pdf
http://www.oalib.com/paper/2284171
 
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That shit is crazy!!! I haven't ever seen anything like that in my 20 yrs. of growing!!! It looks like a branch that I have raped for every single possible clone on it. But for it to grow that way on it's own...there's gotta be something that happened to it. Maybe it got hit with some radiation like godzilla ? Some kind of stress must have caused it, idk. That shit is weird.


I thought I was tripping, Trying to find a node..."WTF!!!"

This is interesting.

Molecular characterization of Aster yellows (16SrI) group
phytoplasma infecting Cannabis sativa in eastern Uttar Pradesh


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ob3Hf8Is_wFo2XtdFB5TGSQ&bvm=bv.66917471,d.b2k

I think so also.
-SamS

Also found similar problems in China and Iran.

Title: First report of witches’-broom disease in a Cannabis species and its association with a phytoplasma of elm yellows group
Submitted to: Plant Disease
Publication Type: Peer Reviewed Journal
Publication Acceptance Date: October 15, 2006
Publication Date: February 1, 2007
Citation: Zhao, Y., Sun, Q., Davis, R.E., Lee, I., Liu, Q. 2007. First report of witches’-broom disease in a Cannabis species and its association with a phytoplasma of elm yellows group (16SrV). Plant Disease. 91:227.


Characterization of Stolbur (16SrXII) Group Phytoplasmas Associated with Cannabis sativa Witches'-broom Disease in Iran
AUTHOR(S)Sichani, Fereshteh Vali; Bahar, Masoud; Zirak, Leila
PUB. DATEDecember 2011
Plant Pathology Journal;Dec2011, Vol. 10 Issue 4, p161
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Awesome finds!:tiphat:
This forum never ceases to amaze me.








Wow witches broom, botanical oils, all I need is some eye of newt and I'll be well on my way to a spell.
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Im learning thats for sure. I am going to be moving towards really sterile practices now. Fortunately I have experience. Alchohol and gloves.

My best friend keeps trying to show me his garden.
I keep telling him no lol.



Maybe the heat treatment did encourage the virus to show, like a cold sore.

Perhaps heat treatments are a way to test for duds.

It would suck to put them outside and have them dud on ya after a hot day.






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Get your plant on a Vanco drip... lol there's lots of plants with natural antibiotic properties. ACT would be beneficial.
 

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escent shield from advancing eco ag has Citronella oil, lemongrass oil, peppermint oil, wintergreen oil, clove oil, castor oil, palm oil...
 

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Its not in perfect health, but at first glance it looks fine.
Upon closer inspection, the above posted fan leave branches can be found. This is exactly why I wanted to start this thread, so other people wont have to waste the resources and energy I did on these plants, which I may be tossing.

this photo and the node-less ones above would seem to exhibit apical shoot damage consistent with excessive heat exposure. are these shots taken after your heat treatment?
 

Sam_Skunkman

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I see you added this, so do you think its a bacterial disease?

For some reason I feel like I could get rid of the bacterial disease...

Only in the case of the 3 Phytoplasmas, I just want people to understand the similarities and differences in damage from viruses, mites & other insects, bacteria, fungus, and any other diseases causing what is being termed "Dud's".
Insects can vector viruses and bacterias and fungus like Botrytis.
-SamS
 

high life 45

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this photo and the node-less ones above would seem to exhibit apical shoot damage consistent with excessive heat exposure. are these shots taken after your heat treatment?

Yes, the thing is this is the only strain out of quite a few that acted like this. She must be touchy....

Daywrecker
Chemsour
SourD
Platinum OgK
Blackwater
Casey Jones
Skywalker
OGKB cookies
CherryPie Urkle
3Kings

All these strains look fine after heat treatment....


Thanx for the help everyone
 

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Not for me my veg room has no AC temps climb to 90F I don't do anything.. This is why I don't flower much in summer. I just keep my keepers going until the weather cools back down. On the supper hot days the room can climb to 110f on days like that I open the door so the house AC cools the veg room down. Flower room is climate controlled 78f 24/7 360..
 

high life 45

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Well PF, you have that cup winning Glue:tiphat: its well known by now.

What I was trying to make a point of was that none of my other strains showed fatigue from the heat treatment. I bet if I had a healthy cut of the Glue it wouldnt have shown the issue.

escent shield from advancing eco ag has Citronella oil, lemongrass oil, peppermint oil, wintergreen oil, clove oil, castor oil, palm oil...

Nice, I needed a place to start.

I also noticed that SNS has rosemary oil in just about all of their products, so I will be experimenting with that as well.
 

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K from trichome tech mentions a good idea... put clones in a vac chamber pull a vacuum them fill with Co2 it will suffocate those bastards. all bugs dead, no airrrry no liiiiiiiiify lol
 
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