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This is relevant (I wish not)? The stems feel very rigid/woody relative to adjacent development... Also reproductive development very slow - plant @ day 35 and minimal frost and aroma... have wondered if it was due to stress. There is no hiding something is very wrong here... I have recognized some white spots on certain fan leaves but even under a scope I have not identified mites....yet? Should I begin crying?
Appears this will be more appropriate in the Broad Mite thread...
Appears this will be more appropriate in the Broad Mite thread...
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Stuff like this always makes me want to stick to 100% seeds. I am just an such a strain whore I always get clones eventually. It is not the pests that scare me, it is the viruses. I always worry about giving diseases to our whole library of plants. Legalization will certainly help us better identify and treat these problems.
As for this "Dud" being a virus I can't say much. What I can say with certainty is I have seen all sorts of strains from Blueberry to OG Kush begin growing very strange, then pull themselves out of it later on. I am assuming it is usually actually caused by an environmental reaction. I have much to learn, but I know many of us are quick to think our plant has the next Canna-AIDS. It should come as no surprise, since we all do love our plants dearly.
Just another reason to legalize, then we can use labs to test just like any other plant. I would love to have old clones tested, really a 20 year old clone would be lucky if it never got a virus or disease would it not? It seems to me Cannabis may actually be well ahead of its viruses in comparison to other species.
As for this "Dud" being a virus I can't say much. What I can say with certainty is I have seen all sorts of strains from Blueberry to OG Kush begin growing very strange, then pull themselves out of it later on. I am assuming it is usually actually caused by an environmental reaction. I have much to learn, but I know many of us are quick to think our plant has the next Canna-AIDS. It should come as no surprise, since we all do love our plants dearly.
Just another reason to legalize, then we can use labs to test just like any other plant. I would love to have old clones tested, really a 20 year old clone would be lucky if it never got a virus or disease would it not? It seems to me Cannabis may actually be well ahead of its viruses in comparison to other species.
Normally, pistils turn red prematurely, so I daresay that I do not think You have em. Even though the curling is indicative of their passing,.
SOF, these pests are worthy of real fear. As I said, makes Spider Mites look amazingly easy.
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If this helps anyone ID if they have a dud great.. This is a known none dud clone.. Oh this is a clone from the original plant over a year ago. I dont keep mother plants.
ok.... can all the folk with these "duds" please ALL post pics so that we can determine if we are even discussing the same issue with everybody?... I mean.. not to be critical, but there are 1000 types of operational error... can we get on the same page? I do not have a dud to show, and PF's pics above are an accurate representation of mine...
Lush green healthy growth.. When I first got her I had to get to know her same for any other strain. My 1st plants where not as green as they are now. I didn't have her dialed in yet.. You must learn how to read your plants been doing this for decades. We all make mistakes learn from them less is more remember that.
new plant diseases are being discovered all the time:
http://hawaiiplantdisease.net/New-plant-pest-outbreaks.php
the problem is being aggravated in cannabis due to excessive inbreeding. if i had a disease i couldn't figure out, i would download the app and use it.
http://hawaiiplantdisease.net/"The-Plant-Doctor"-app-for-Android-and-iPhones.php
cannabis is listed on their Hawaii host-pathogen database website:
http://www.hawaiiplantdisease.net/qd/index.php?path=HawaiiHostPathogenDatabase
http://hawaiiplantdisease.net/New-plant-pest-outbreaks.php
the problem is being aggravated in cannabis due to excessive inbreeding. if i had a disease i couldn't figure out, i would download the app and use it.
http://hawaiiplantdisease.net/"The-Plant-Doctor"-app-for-Android-and-iPhones.php
cannabis is listed on their Hawaii host-pathogen database website:
http://www.hawaiiplantdisease.net/qd/index.php?path=HawaiiHostPathogenDatabase
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PF thanks for helping identify a non dud. You got the pre ht cup glue! lol
c4,+1 thats exactly what im trying to do here, get pics of duds so we can get on the same page.
As noted in my first post I think most duds people are experiencing are related to damage from bms, be it viral or toxin based.
Crooked8 mentioned in another post being the first to show a dud in gg4, so I asked him to post a pic over here.
PF thanks for helping identify a non dud. You got the pre ht cup glue! lol
c4,+1 thats exactly what im trying to do here, get pics of duds so we can get on the same page.
As noted in my first post I think most duds people are experiencing are related to damage from bms, be it viral or toxin based.
Crooked8 mentioned in another post being the first to show a dud in gg4, so I asked him to post a pic over here.
oh ya I had it for a long time before that event..She was virtually unheard of back then. Anytime I mentioned her no one knew what she was. If fact most did even want her.
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Here's my D.I.C.K. pics...First is what's left of the indoor cubed GG's. Rooting took 14-25 days for these lol. Remaining 50% were trashed. Vegging for 2 weeks. 1 week under T5 1 week under 600w. Not ample but I had to rebuild my setup from scratch before undergoing a major surgery. Post surgery I placed them in cubes as they rooted
Next pics are what's left from Full Sun Mother. Mothers were trashed and were failing for No apparent reason before pics were available. These rooted after 25 days but got a 90% rooted. Scary part is even after delayed rooting and "mysterious" growth patterns both indoor and outdoor offsprings show vigor and lush vegetation.
These have never been overwatered. Our temps are higher than normal and they drink it fast. Yellowing tinges is from aging clones we believe.
I cant see your pics?
Thanx crooked8!
Did you get your glue at the cup?
Did your plant come out of dud? or did you trash it?
Did you get your glue at the cup?
Did your plant come out of dud? or did you trash it?
Hmmm, maybe it was the "heat treatment" that became the straw that broke the camels back. You had an unhealthy plant that became stressed and responded by altering its physiology and/or metabolism--all in response to the plant's collective experiences (including the heat treatment and reactions to pathogens, toxins, and any chem/synthetic applications).
Plants have a memory of sorts...not cognitive (like humans) but more of adaptive biochemical changes that can be passed to successive generations (systemic acquired resistance (SAR) is a simple example to understand this plant memory concept...the plant is stimulated (aspirin in water), then it learns and passes the SAR trait it developed to its offspring--both cuttings & seeds). The attached pdf is a paper published in Plant Science explains several concepts on plant memory.
IMHO, if you add up all the stressors that particular plant experienced, (including prior generations of cuttings), it seems logical the plant would respond by altering its physiology. Yep...the plant adapted to its "new environment" so it can survive by doing the "dud thing".
If you take cuttings from healthy portions of the plant (dud-less) and then grow out the cutting and--then take cuttings from healthy portions of that new plant and grow that out....repeating the process several times--I bet the result will eventually be a vigorous plant that eliminated/replaced the "old dud memory" with a "vigor memory".
Cheers!
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Lol no wonder. I set them to private in my albums thinking i could keep them off my profile. Can you see now?
Im gonna say this one time only....
You are all trippen ... Sam.S is right...
This is a NEW PHENOMENON IN THE ARGICULTURIAL INDUSTRY...its only been around a couple of years on the mainstream level... so even if you have been growing since I was a sperm cell it doesn't mean nada...
It is destroying plants of many different species all across the country and no expert has any idea on how to stop it or cure it.... just hardcore sanitation practices .. btw its in the UK also... made its way across the Pond in no time
All this talk about some of you thinking your better growers makes me wanna puke...
Bro science 101 .. its nothing to do with any of this bullshit most of you are talking about..
Envrioment, nutes, stress, blah blah blah
its a damn VIRUS and those of you haven't experienced it and chime in claiming we are wrong need to STFU
Im growing over a 1,000 plants outdoor this year in SoCal ... so spare me your bullshit about being a more experienced grower... I know what Im seeing and its not nice
My only advice is use botanical oils... they are too complex for Viruses
You are all trippen ... Sam.S is right...
This is a NEW PHENOMENON IN THE ARGICULTURIAL INDUSTRY...its only been around a couple of years on the mainstream level... so even if you have been growing since I was a sperm cell it doesn't mean nada...
It is destroying plants of many different species all across the country and no expert has any idea on how to stop it or cure it.... just hardcore sanitation practices .. btw its in the UK also... made its way across the Pond in no time
All this talk about some of you thinking your better growers makes me wanna puke...
Bro science 101 .. its nothing to do with any of this bullshit most of you are talking about..
Envrioment, nutes, stress, blah blah blah
its a damn VIRUS and those of you haven't experienced it and chime in claiming we are wrong need to STFU
Im growing over a 1,000 plants outdoor this year in SoCal ... so spare me your bullshit about being a more experienced grower... I know what Im seeing and its not nice
My only advice is use botanical oils... they are too complex for Viruses
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