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2000pm

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Took a little while to get the mind right and get started again but I have popped some seeds and started a new grow. This time it will be an ACE seeds assortment. I have been wanting some more interesting and cleaner/clear highs lately so I decided to go this route and they offer some solid sounding proven lines.

I was excited to pop some older seeds that I had a chance to snatch up but unfortunately they did not germinate. They were Ace 2008 stock so not super old but I only tried a couple individuals each and saved the rest so I could better prepare the remaining seeds for future grows. Angolese Sativa x Pakistani Chitral Kush, Banghi Haze, and Panama x Deep Chunk all refused to open or did pop a small root only to stall and die. The unopened ones were buried in the current plant pots just in case.

So instead to ensure success I moved onto the fresher 2013 seed stock I had and went with Pakistani Chitral Kush, KaliChina x Orient Express, Nepal x Jamaican, Destroyer, and Zamaldelica. These are all regular seeds as I hope for a decent male ratio. I popped two of each and ideally I'd get a male/female out of that but this is highly unlikely of course.

They are in coco beer cups right now and will remain until they get too rootbound or I can sex and remove males. I want to leave them in there until stretch ends to control height but without automated methods I fear they will get too dry between waterings before they are ready. They will be moved to 1 gallon buckets to finish out. I am leaning towards mini hempy buckets this time.

Same lights as before, although seeing the cdm lights doing their thing in the lighting forum makes you think... Wonder if I can handle the heat. Going to try to see if I can keep them happy on maxi again. I have been feeding them only 1/2 str and they seem to be enjoying it so far. Height will be controlled via topping a couple of times to slow vertical growth and create multiple uniform tops then supercropping and lst as usual to keep them all in line. I am certain the growth rates and heights for this mix will not play together nicely so it will be fun to try to keep them in check.

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In case the labeling is hard to read, from the Back Left: PCK 1, 2, Zamaldelica 1, 2. Middle row is Kalichina x OE 1, 2. Front row is destroyer 1, 2, then nepjam 1, 2. They are around 3 weeks old right now. Pretty slow growth for that time imo but I have purposely fed light and introduced the lights one at a time this run. Also keeping the lights higher up to start but have started lowering them slowly. They are starting to really grow at a noticeable rate now and several are showing strong scent profiles.

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nepjam - this one is growing much fatter than the other and has purple stems.

If anyone has experience with the various phenos and such I'd love to hear it. I have been reading and re-reading the ace forum but that can only take one so far without experience.
 

Chloemobile

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You are going to have dome crazy looking plants this grow. That zamadelicia and destroyer grow some wild looking plants. And ive heard the smoke from the zamadelcia is quite intense. Looking forward to this grow!
 

2000pm

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Thanks for the welcome back!

Small progress report, they are starting to show sex very fast:

1 male destroyer (very male - balls all over the place)
1 female destroyer (not 100% sure yet but conical female looking preflowers, no pistils)
1 male nepjam (fat leaf pheno)
1 female nepjam (thin leaf pheno, 100% pistilate pre)
2 female kalichina x OE (not 100% but all conical looking)
2 PCK and 2 Zamaldelicas are still not showing.

Very happy with the ratios so far! Didn't mind not getting a male kalichinaXOE as that is a heavy poly already.

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Nepjam Female

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Destroyer Male

I will let them grow until they are looking more mature and up-pot the females when it is time to flip. The lights are keeping them pretty compact so far so I am going to see how the stretch happens. The males will likely be kept in the cups until then and then moved out of the tent into their iso chamber for pollen collection.

As stated before, the plants are being fed half an eyeballed scoop of maxi right now per gallon. They are now starting to show who likes this and who finds it a bit much. Both destroyers are having their tips curl in, the fat leaf nepjam also doesn't like it, as well as the lankier zamaldelica. The rest are eating up and getting fat. I wanted to avoid having to mix two separate batches of nutes for them but you gotta do what you gotta do right.

I've topped both nepjams, both destroyers, and the lanky zamaldelica. The nepjams do not seem to like topping and are responding very slowly compared to the rest. Will supercrop and bend nepjam in the future.
 

NKOTS

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welcome back, 2000pm, good to see you :wave:

nice selection you got there, my friend :dance013:
 

2000pm

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Thanks for checkin in y'all.

So a little update. I knew I would run into some issues with these plants being more sensitive than the regular hybrids I've been growing all along, and also not growing them in a nice organic mix. I'm still trying to do the coco/maxi with these plants and I am determined to figure it out and make it work.

I started with 1/2 str and have lowered it even more to around 1/4~1/3 str per gallon. They started off strong but soon after my first pic started looking really terrible. I tried messing with the nute ratios and ph, etc to no avail and finally realized they were extremely rootbound! The root growth of these plants have been pretty phenomenal, especially the destroyers and zamaldelicas.

They have since been transplanted to 1-gallon hempies, coco/perlite mix with perlite on the bottom. They have their first "real" feed with runoff and bottom res fill and they have really started to turn it around. I will still be tweaking nutes here and there because some like the nepjam are still sensitive compared to the others.

Both KaliChina x OE, one destroyer, one zamaldelica, one nepjam are females for sure.
One destroyer and one nepjam are solid males.
Both PCKs are starting to alternate nodes yet still show zero signs of preflower/sex. The squat zamaldelica is also unknown due to the node spacing I cannot get in there to tell what is going on.

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You can see where the bottom leaves felt the wrath of the earlier missteps, but they are perking back up. Their rootbound period has stunted them about a week or two behind schedule here so they could be a lot bigger for their age.

Back row L to R: squat zamaldelica, short kalichina x OE, fem nepjam (jamaican leaner).
Mid row: tall kalichina x OE, lanky zamaldelica, short PCK.
Front row: tall PCK, two males, fem destroyer.

The way the two males look are pretty similar to how they all were for a long time being stuck in those cups. I'm kinda torturing the males for now to see how they do.

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Destroyer. Man she is finicky but when I get it right she bounces right back. Has a really great "fresh sweet fruit" smell that I am having trouble nailing down but is only getting better.

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Zamaldelica. Is this more malawi or zamal leaning? Not much smell to speak of here.

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Squat Zamaldelica pheno. This plant is ridiculous - there is almost 8 nodes stacked in there! Plant has smelled strongly of mango very early on.

I'm going to veg them some more yet to get a little size since they are so behind. I'd like to get those other plants sexed as well but I think I might just have to flip to see what is up with those.
 
Looking good man! Can't wait to see how this round goes for you, I've been wanting to run something from ACE/CBG for ages and you've got two of the top strains on my list (Destroyer and Zamaldelica)
 

2000pm

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Thanks for stopping by Fred! I'm watching your tubs too man, got some nice NW dank genetics growing in there. Hope I can do the destroyer and zamal justice for y'all.
 
Yea man, ya gotta love the cannabis scene around here! Made so many great connections through the greenthumb. If you see anything of mine you want to run just give a shout brotha.
 

BroughtSuperior

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nice stuff man,just read the hole thread,im digging the strain selection,i think you could up the feed on them, coco can look overferted but most of the times is the opposite, try one of them and see if she likes it!
K+
 

2000pm

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Thanks guys. Algreen yea I can't wait to see that one in flower, male or female. Not sure how it will respond or how the structure will change.

BroughtSuperior thanks for stopping by - I think I will up the feed a bit now I'm starting to see some lighter def signs showing here and there. Still kinda approaching this one cautiously but the PCK for example could definitely use a heavier feed. I think I'll keep the destroyer where it is now since she seems happy. Your grow there was a master showing of canopy control!
 

BroughtSuperior

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yea the more sativa leaning strains will normally get by with less nutrients, at least my amnesia haze is like that, thanks on the canopy props, im gonna try and do another one like that but with chemdog,at the moment i have different strains snd sizes so the canopy is not the best,but for me its always the biggest in the corners and outside perimeter and the shortest in the middle!
sorry about the rant:bashhead:
cheers!
 

2000pm

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The only truly ambiguous plant left is the shorter PCK in the upper right. It has the tiniest of nubby preflower here and there but is not identifiable. Will find out when flowering. The squat zamal I am not 100% on but the preflowers are looking a bit more female shaped so I am going to go with my gut there.

The two males I had been neglecting and torturing started to auto flower on me so I transplanted them both into the same 1gal hempy to recover but I fear it may be too late as they don't seem to want to revert. If they don't show any signs of reversal in the next week I will pull them out and flower them in ernest elsewhere to collect the pollen. They do seem to be pretty solid males with no hermie effects from being messed about with so much.

Upped the feed slightly and they do seem to be responding well for the most part. I am starting to see some light tip burn on some of the plants but overall they look healthier for the added nutrition. I'm not sure which is the better way to go so I will hold the course until any drastic signs show one way or the other. Starting to do some heavy LST on the KaliChina x OE to encourage branching.

I believe it will soon be time to flower - the lighting has kept the node distance short and the plants compact but I fear the flowering stretch nonetheless and having too much vertical is not good for my light penetration or the tent. I just need the bottom branches to grow out a little bit more and they will be at my satisfaction for taking clones, then the flip.

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Whole tent

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Lanky Zamaldelica (thai leaning?)

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Squat Zamaldelica (???)

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Shorty KaliChina x OE LST'd - the taller one in the back might be the most attractive plant in the whole tent imo. Will get better pics of that one once the branches grow out.
 

2000pm

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I definitely have a fert issue MrCopyz! :D Still trying to nail it down - you should have seen these plants two weeks ago ;). I am thinking P or heat, or a combo of both. I still believe my cal/mag + maxi reigmen is probably too high on N and the ratios could be improved. Almost thinking about feeding koolbloom or some other flowering nute instead right now to cut down on N and raise up the PK.

If it is environmental/heat/humidity/vpd related, I might just have to live with it for the time being... If anyone has more concrete ideas I'd love to hear them.

Thanks for stopping by tleaf and kief! Shouldn't be too far off from flowering now.
 

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