DP Fem Orange Bud from seed, 220watt HPS/CFL

[waydee]

Lamps arrived, even before I put them in I could tell they're much better quality than the cheap crap the fixtures came with. GE Lucalox's, they seem to burn a much more white colour than the others, could just be my eyes playing tricks but they seem a lot brighter.

So now they're both under all the light I can give them, will see how they respond over this week.

 

[NG2k]

good good.
im sorry, i dont mean to come across as a know it all, and that im bashing all your attempts im just speaking from my own experiences and i dont know how experienced you are as a grower.

well now you got some good seeds in some decent soil under some decent lights..... why not chuck us a few pics.

 

[waydee]

Forgive me, was feeling very on edge that day! apologies dude, I really appreciate you're taking the time to make sure I get this right

Growth continues but i've just started noticing something, the runt has curled its first leaves up and its still taking a lot longer to push out the second ones... the growth tip is a nice lime green though so its still growing, just a lot slower than the other. Also showing very slight signs of yellowing around the edges of the first leaves and also cotyledons.

The stronger plant is pushing out 5 bladed second leaves! I thought it went 1 blade for the first node, 3 for the second, 5 for the third etc etc... I really like this plant, she just keeps pushing out new growth!. I'm a bit concerned though because like the runt its showing slight yellowing to the leaves and the cotyledons look like they're going to come off soon.

Anyway pictures, first two are of the runt:





And heres the bigger girl:







I'm trying to determine what is causing the yellowing, it looks in its very early stages (camera flash has exaggerated it a bit) but obviously it could pose a problem and i'd like to get on top of it straight away. I don't believe it is overwatering, I've been giving them maybe ~100ml of water every 2 days and always check that the soil is dry fairly deep down (stick my finger in at the edge, also check the soil at the drainage holes and its always bone dry).

Could it be time to begin ferting? the soil did say to begin fertilising at around 2 weeks, just want to be sure incase I hurt these small plants. I've considered heat stress but the ventilation is more than adequate, I have been surprised by the amount of heat that is coming out of the exhaust though. I've turned on the fan inside the cabinet to blow the air around a bit more, also dropped the plants an inch incase maybe they were suffering from being too close to the lamps (they were about 6-7" from the HPS, now 8" or thereabouts).

 

[alkbud]

Forgive me, was feeling very on edge that day! apologies dude, I really appreciate you're taking the time to make sure I get this right

Growth continues but i've just started noticing something, the runt has curled its first leaves up and its still taking a lot longer to push out the second ones... the growth tip is a nice lime green though so its still growing, just a lot slower than the other. Also showing very slight signs of yellowing around the edges of the first leaves and also cotyledons.

The stronger plant is pushing out 5 bladed second leaves! I thought it went 1 blade for the first node, 3 for the second, 5 for the third etc etc... I really like this plant, she just keeps pushing out new growth!. I'm a bit concerned though because like the runt its showing slight yellowing to the leaves and the cotyledons look like they're going to come off soon.

Anyway pictures, first two are of the runt:





And heres the bigger girl:







I'm trying to determine what is causing the yellowing, it looks in its very early stages (camera flash has exaggerated it a bit) but obviously it could pose a problem and i'd like to get on top of it straight away. I don't believe it is overwatering, I've been giving them maybe ~100ml of water every 2 days and always check that the soil is dry fairly deep down (stick my finger in at the edge, also check the soil at the drainage holes and its always bone dry).

Could it be time to begin ferting? the soil did say to begin fertilising at around 2 weeks, just want to be sure incase I hurt these small plants. I've considered heat stress but the ventilation is more than adequate, I have been surprised by the amount of heat that is coming out of the exhaust though. I've turned on the fan inside the cabinet to blow the air around a bit more, also dropped the plants an inch incase maybe they were suffering from being too close to the lamps (they were about 6-7" from the HPS, now 8" or thereabouts).

waydee....

i just stumbled upon your thread.. didnt know it existed. your plants looking good mate. think you need to start ferting your babies. start off at maybe 1/4 the recommended dosage. gonna catch a ride. my cab is not too far away from yours.. check it outwhen u got time. cheers

 

[NG2k]

ok.....
i do personally think its down to watering, seedlings on their second node do not normally want nutes. i mean it could be ferts but i would find that to be fairly unlikely. i would more likely think it to be down to watering. try watering a little more around the base of the plant, not too near the edges, and waiting longer in between waterings. lift the pot to see how light it is, soil may seem dry in places but be wetter further down. thats just my diagnosis.

there wont be any harm of feeding them some nutes at low doses as suggested tho. say 0.5ml BG per litre of water, and give them about a quarter of that mix each.

it probably isnt linked to the lighting being too close, tho higher temps can cause dryer plant leaves. have you got any fans on the seedlings themselves?

as for the 2nd node having five leaves, it may just look that way because the 3rd node is coming up too, but i cant say for sure. no need to worry, and feminized seeds are kind of mutants anyway.

my clones are coming on pretty good, i got the amount i need now, a few weeks vegging, training and weaving into a screen before fully flowering them. WILL post a diary when i get time.

good luck waydee...

 

[green michine]

hi waydee,
i like yours plants.I want to grow something from dutch-passion so im definately
going to watch this. Orange bud is meant to be a killer smoke and i wish you
the best! Try and keep us posted with some pics mate cos i really want to see
how this turns out.......no pressure dude!!

nice babies!

 

[waydee]

Hello all, well the yellowing continued but seemed to stop at the second node when i started feeding every 2nd watering with biogrow, noticed another deficiency problem - small yellow spots on the very tips of the leaf serrations, tracked that down to be a potassium deficiency so they even received a tiny bit of biobloom to try and take care of it...

Apart from that not much change, third node is out and fourth on its way. The runt is catching up fast and is a healthier looking plant in my opinion, they're both not terribly pretty with their crispy yellow lower leaves though

Theres something wrong, but I think they'll both pull through as they get bigger. I'll get some pics later on today.

 

[NG2k]

good to hear an update
you can water with BG every watering, its organic and thats the way its supposed to be used so go with that. i always feel that BB has to be used in larger doses than BG to take any effect, but overall it does have lower strength than BG, which is why they should be used together.
mite possibly be due to too high a PH, saying that only because the UK has very hard water, well especially down south, and its full of limescale etc.
keep us posted

 

[waydee]

Oops, forgot about the pics but i'll get them later tonight

cool i'll be watering with bg/bb every day then, they look a _LOT_ better after giving them that first dose of bb so is it wise to continue feeding bg/bb together? even though they're not even close to being ready for flowering yet.... basically will all that extra P and K do any damage?

Yeah the water down south can be real hard, its soft up here though. You're right the ph is probably still off though, real broke right now however... struggling to pay rent let alone buy any extra grow toys we'll see, all the new growth looks fine so I think i've at least done something right.

 

[NG2k]

keep with both BB and BG, no harm.... more like good!
how old are they?

 

[waydee]

Thanks for the fert advice, they'll be getting both every watering now.

I put it at around 11 days from the last pics, so day 24.

Plant #1 (the 'runt')



Plant #2








You can see where they sustained a bit of damage from whatever was going wrong over the past 10 days but the newer growth seems fine... must have been a nute issue. Hopefully they'll pick up the pace a bit.

Is now a suitable time to begin topping? I took a little test fim on the lower left shoot of the #2 plant and it appears to be showing tiny little bumps of new growth where I cut... just dont want to put undue stress on the plant by messing with the main top if its too early.

 

[NG2k]

wow.....
now they are looking fairly healthy. you've got some really tight internodal spacin there. very compact.
maybe wait a lil while before topping, let them get a little bigger and a bit more of a rootball behind them then top. same 4-5 days(ish )
i think what you had was just a simple lack in nutes. i have to remind myself sometimes that extra bio-nutes wont do any damage and to add more when i feed.
peace

 

[smokeymacpot]

the reason why you have a "runt" is because it got light as soon as it came out of soil and didnt the taller one have the shell stuck to it ? so dont call the smaller plant a runt, when its doing better than the stretchy one

also do you need the HPS lights turned on?? cfls are better for keeping the plant small and bushy. if you do decide to use just the cfls then move them over the tops of the plants, not sat either side.
i say that because you will be wasting electricity (Mostly in the form of heat) and the hps doesnt put out as much blue light as the cfls.

 

[waydee]

There is only 80watts of CFL in there, i'd rather they be getting the most light they can right now - HPS's stay on. They're close enough to all the lights for them to stay short and bushy, the cfls are just supplemental light.

I understand the HPS doesnt put out as much blue light but you want a full spectrum, which they will be receiving with both sources of lighting. I'm seeing no stretch and would wager they are growing faster than they would be with just the weeny little cfls on, weeny little HPS's are better than none at all

Note 'runt' - ie its just called the runt, its not the runt anymore. Infact they're almost identical, the larger one isn't more stretchy... just the main stem is maybe a half inch longer. They're both at almost the exact same stage although the #1 plant is putting out shoots just a little quicker.

They're going to get tied over in a few days anyway which should accelerate the shoot growth, I said i'd begin training very early with these and I mean it.

Pics in a week

 

[smokeymacpot]

well i use 1x 18w cfl per plant and ive got nodes <1cm apart all the way up the plants.
also the cfls are not suplemental, they are essential!!, its the hps's that are supplimental at the moment. it will cost about £10 per month to run two 70w hps for 24hrs a day!

i see your gonna LST them... have you thought about topping instead? cos i and other people found it rubbish. but topping made everyones plants grow into a bush
search for the "lazy grow" thread, loads of info in it.

 

[B.C.]

lol

lol

i see your gonna LST them... have you thought about topping instead? cos i and other people found it rubbish. but topping made everyones plants grow into a bush
search for the "lazy grow" thread, loads of info in it.

LST rubbish? lol... I don't think so.Maybe in a micro environment cuz the nodes are so close anyway but not ina big grow.I can pull abouta qp off a 3 gal.pot lst,and that's with blueberry a low yieldin strain.I could never do that jus by toppin em.NO it's not rubbish.Later,BC

 

[smokeymacpot]

LST rubbish? lol... I don't think so.Maybe in a micro environment cuz the nodes are so close anyway but not ina big grow.I can pull abouta qp off a 3 gal.pot lst,and that's with blueberry a low yieldin strain.I could never do that jus by toppin em.NO it's not rubbish.Later,BC

yea i found it ineffective in a small cabinet grow. in a big grow where you veg for longer and have the time and space for the lower growth to catch up you will do well.

 

[tngreen]

i can vouch that LST is in no way rubbish in a small cab grow. it was very effective in my first grow. combined with FIM'ing, you have an unbeatable combo. lookin good waydee! keep it up.

 

[waydee]

I'm doing both LST and FIM, both will create a bush, together they'll create a superbush. Or something.

Yeah, but £10 seems worth it to me - they'll only be in veg for a month or maybe just over, flowering will be £5 a month for 2 months - £20 or thereabouts for a grow sounds pretty good to me

 

[waydee]

Big update!

Day 29, (attempted) FIM yesterday and started the LST today, they're small and its a bit tricky at this stage but I really want to start this early, I think i'm maybe looking at a 6 week veg period - maybe longer - and want to get these girls as well trained as possible in that time.

Nutes are 1ml/l BioGrow and BioBloom still, suffering from a bit of leaf curl - any suggestions? no noticeable deficiencies any more and the nutes seem to be doing their job... growth is really fast as you'll see from the last update just 5 days ago.

Anyway, the pics:

Plant #1

Little bush!


No more room in there, i've actually lowered it by around 3" from where it was just to try and induce a little stretch in her - theres literally less than centimetre between nodes and those shoots are ... shooting out everywhere. Obviously I like that shes compact but a little more space would make the training easier. Still, I think i've got a good little plant here.



From the top, notice leaf curl - help!



Plant #2

Very similar looking, more space between nodes however. Same leaf curl.


Larger node spacing, more room. Once again, shoots everywhere but a little behind #1.


From the top





And together, closest is #1.




LST begins
#1



#2






I'm happy with how things are going, I think maybe I cut a little too far down for my FIM on the tops but even within 24 hours they've responded by the lower shoots growing a _LOT_, time will tell if the FIM was successful or not however. The LST should promote those side branches to get bigger as well, they're a bit smaller than most plants ive seen to begin LST but I can't see anything wrong with it - hell they're going to have to get used to a lot of training.

I think the scrog screens are going to go in in a week, maybe a week in a half when i've got shoots to fill them out a little. Hopefully the flowering stretch should take care of any gaps. I say a week/week and a half but i'm happy just to let them do their thing, no rush - if it takes longer, it takes longer.