if you ignore the government and govern yourself.
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Does government have a social contract mandate?. Does it exist ? Arguments preferred over insults please.
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Captain Red Eye
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If people are actually equal in their rights, there could be as many small independent "governments" as there are individual people. Not likely to happen but theoretically possible.
If people are free, there would be nothing opposing free people from making consensual agreements to align their interests for protection services to ensure their freedoms, while maintaining their freedom in other aspects of their lives. No overarching assumptions need prevail, since that would negate freedom and peace.
I think Panarchy holds promise for both freedom and protection.
Right now, humanity is still locked in intellectual infancy by the things they've been told and still believe which aren't true, so that compounds and perpetuates the here and now problems.
Which is why discussion is a good thing. Nothing really changes until false things are exposed, which then leaves room for true things to enter the equation.
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If your consent is violated at the onset of something (formation of government) and you were an otherwise disinterested but peaceful person, what follows can only be a kind of capture for a nonconsenting individual.
Since government purports to "keep the peace", but they violate the consent of a claimed subject(s) by assuming consent when none is actually given, they've already been exposed as incapable of "keeping the peace". The best thing that could then occur is government maintains a kind of imposed order.
Peace and imposed order are often misunderstood by everyday people and they say "keeping the peace" when they really should have said, "maintaining imposed order".
there were zero chattel irish slaves in colonial america.
and this circular crapola is tiresome.
i haven't set up any standards. standards are standards whether or not i participate in them.
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how do we get to your stateless society? what does said society look like?
more idiotic and unsubstantiable shit from shiva, surprise!
you are 'unsustainable ' .
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You can't make a verifiable claim that there were zero Irish slaves in colonial America. You cannot verify or deny if a person was captured and sold "as a slave", not as an indentured person, and history never recorded it or reported it with a bias.
Neither you or I were alive hundreds of years ago, but we DO know by reports that MANY MANY Irish were put in chains and brought to the Americas to labor against their will. The likelihood some were never freed is great.
SAID SOCIETY LOOKS VOLUNTARY, MORE PEACEFUL THAN TODAY, BUT NOT WITHOUT PROBLEMS.
Consent violations by "special people" will not be seen as acceptable and all people being held accountable to the same standards is the prevailing attitude, which is not the societal norm today.
We get there by exposing things which are not true and accepting things which are. More mutual and reciprocal respect for equal rights will help too. Even if we never fully get there, the journey is worth it.
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i already covered that earlier with a disclaimer (something about some rando kidnapping an irishman in 1710 yada yada), we don't need to spend time on these hypothetical outliers.
if i said "we don't do trepanning in modern, developed- world healthcare" and you go on about some potential cult in utah, you're derailing the shit.
yes, there could have been some outlier... but the point is white slaves as a part of the slave institution in the pre 1870s u.s. weren't a thing. and saying there weere irish slaves is a common altright talking point that many people use to obfuscate the racial component of the slavery institution.
so you're saying (let's imagine an ideal world where voting isn't rigged to shit, and our representative democracy actually works for the people) we could get there? with a cooperative system? without armed insurgency and the deaths of many innocent people? cause i'm not down for any violence.
i agree, and i dunno what the ideal world will look like, especially once we deport melon musk and get unstuck from this manufactured scarcity/ these potentially mostly avertable climate crises, and see more (i'm thinking) egalitarian, communalist, utilitarian attitudes build...
maybe we can like... fix our biome and then "we can explore space together; both inner and outer, forever, in peace."
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So, no Barbary Pirates then?
It is evolution, not revolution, gentlemen! / Berryman.
We gots some evolving to work on.
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I don't think I'm so advanced in evolution that I developed a need to fantasize a utopia.
I have too much to do in real life... in the realm of peace violators and out amongst tax payers.
I'm glad you are that highly evolved.
what medication do you take? or were you born a simpleton and always had a narrow mind?
what's narrow minded about calling out harmful bullshit?
you are not though, all you are doing is embarrassing yourself. what meds are you on ?
i'm a bit high strung, wanna mail me some etizolam in a p.g. solution?
i learned it the hard way, you don't wanna use ethanol... the sedative fx synergize WAYYY too well.
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