Does government have a social contract mandate?. Does it exist ? Arguments preferred over insults please.

[nepalnt21]

hysterical

yeah, it pisses me off when ppl say LITERAL LIES (awful and destructive lies) and undermine the word "genocide".

it's wrong and i will call you out on it every time i seen it.

call it " hysterical" to have integrity, i guess i'm hysterical.

why don't you stick with england's history and stop trying to screw up others'.

speaking of which, go do the right thing and remove "irish slaves" from your colonial times thing up there... please, for posterity and all that is good.

even the grinch had a change of heart, maybe one day you will stop spreading harmful right- wing b.s. propaganda like "irish slaves in colonial america".

 

[buzzmobile]

THE social contract.

So Rousseau then?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i didn't swing and miss, you guys are being pedantic when every high schooler would have known what i mean when i said "money" in the context of this conversation.

good try, though... ffs, are YOU trolling?

so is fiat currency real?

Okay. maybe you swung and hit a foul ball.

Fiat currency Is enabled by consent violations and subterfuge, held in place by force. Its creation and use fuels inflation, endless wars and lots of other fuckery that wouldn't exist if there was no fiat currency. History provides that evidence.

It's about as "real" as an over-arching social contract.

Meaning it exists, as in it affects people's lives, but it isn't necessary and doesn't arise from rightful actions or free market innovation. It violates those concepts.

No, I'm not trolling, but I do like to goof around sometimes. Hopefully you can tell one from the other.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

So Rousseau then?

Can't remember all of Rousseau's positions off the top of my head, but I think he believes in actual consent rather than assumed consent. I like that when it is possible.

I also like Lysander Spooners thoughts on consent. Plus he was an abolitionist and had a cool beard.

 

[Cannavore]

. the irish slaves were possibly treated the worst by the colonials

Cuz they weren't considered white

 

[Captain Red Eye]

so is the american dollar real?

When you say American dollar do you mean Federal reserve notes or something else?

Original meaning of dollar was a measure of silver. Paper notes backed by silver or gold are different than paper fiat notes backed by edict. Paper fiat currency loses buying power and expansion of it causes a hidden tax, inflation. Is the inflation real?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Cuz they weren't considered white

even the grinch had a change of heart, maybe one day you will stop spreading harmful right- wing b.s. propaganda like "irish slaves in colonial america".

Many liberals refer to Barack Obama as "black" despite his having a white mother.

Since Irish people had children with slaves of African descent in colonial America, would it be proper to say some "irish" people were enslaved?

Didn't the Irish / African child of an african descent woman automatically become a slave?

 

[shiva82]

Cuz they weren't considered white

ok cannavore . put down the crayons , they are not edible .

 

[Cannavore]

Since Irish people had children with slaves of African descent in colonial America, would it be proper to say some "irish" people were enslaved?

WASP's viewed the Irish, the Italians, and the Greeks for instance as non white and swarthy. It had nothing to do with who the Irish were having children with.

It was only until they needed these groups for votes, were they considered white. Which basically proves there is no concept of whiteness. It's ever expanding and largely made up as it went along.

 

[Microbeman]

Cuz they weren't considered white

The 'muckers' (my heritage) - many joined the Mexican side against the Americans due to their poor treatment and religious persecution by the colonialists. The Irish are still celebrated in Mexico for their heroic efforts in the Mexican-American war.

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Cannavore]

 

[nepalnt21]

irish slaves

i see you still haven't removed the harmful lie, please nut up and do so. it's for the good of humanity.

Original meaning

i'm of course talking about our modern dollars we actually use. yes, we have established it is not backed by gold (i think it's the pound that's backed by or was backed by silver). it's the same level of imaginary societal paradigm as the social contract, as i see it... and yet i bet you use modern trappings, including the dollar, right?

Many liberals refer to Barack Obama as "black" despite his having a white mother.

a half black person is black.

not all half black people identify with their black heritage, but the default is that even if you only have a little black, you're black. there's a reason for this: would poor, unknown barack obama be treated by avg police as a half- white man with a white mother? or as a black man?

 

[shiva82]

i see you still haven't removed the harmful lie, please nut up and do so. it's for the good of humanity.


i'm of course talking about our modern dollars we actually use. yes, we have established it is not backed by gold (i think it's the pound that's backed by or was backed by silver). it's the same level of imaginary societal paradigm as the social contract, as i see it... and yet i bet you use modern trappings, including the dollar, right?



a half black person is black.

not all half black people identify with their black heritage, but the default is that even if you only have a little black, you're black. there's a reason for this: would poor, unknown barack obama be treated by avg police as a man with a white mother? or as a black man?

you are an idiot . educate yourself .

 

[shiva82]

you have one moron claiming the irish were not ' white , and we have another idiot claiming there was no irish slaves

i'm sorry but i'm not debating with you two morons .

 

[shiva82]

both of you idiots are american too. you should be ashamed of yourselves

 

[Cannavore]

you have one moron claiming the irish were not ' white , and we have another idiot claiming there was no irish slaves

i'm sorry but i'm not debating with you two morons .

i'm not claiming anything. the dominant white people who lived at the time of irish immigration into the us (wasps) called them white niggers. and much of this originates from british colonization of ireland. as pointed out they were not chattel slaves like the africans. they were essentially landless peasants and/or indentured servants in their own country, working the land and farms for british lords.

the british did this because they largely viewed them as not white. they depicted the irish as lazy and violent, apes, barbarians, etc. all the shit they said about africans and dark skinned non european whites.

 

[shiva82]

literally the biggest slave owners in history were not ' white' and the ones you claim were ' white' were mostly jews , who were the ship owners, and who claim to be a race .

slavery was around at the begging of mankind and exists today

you hate the white race through your life experiences on twitter

stop race baiting and making everything about colour or identity politics. it is insincere and disingenuous

and stop being a total dork

 

[Cannavore]

what's any of that got to do with what i said lmao


"WASPS didnt view the irish as white"

shiva - you hate the white race!

 

[nepalnt21]

another idiot claiming there was no irish slaves

it isn't some secret that there were no irish chattel slaves in colonial america, it's very well known by anyone over the age of 10. it isn't even controversial.

it's so hilarious that you are calling ANYONE ELSE an idiot and telling others to educate themselves.

grow a pair and do the right thing.

eisenhower holacausted millions of german men,

i also wanna point out another one of shiva's blatantly anti- jewish shitposts, dunno how i missed it before.