Distinguished and Nurtured Kind

[Prodigygrower]

It’s hard to juggle a full time job relationship and a garden just ran in to the same problem. I had to take a bunch of cuts from new gear I’m testing to fill out my flower room because I didn’t have enough for the run I was gonna mono crop. Your not alone broski. I know I deff need to step my game up too. Can’t wait to see the lazy lighting in full swing I know your excited af for that.

 

[blazeoneup]

I certainly could be better prepared and more on top of things. I am only growing for personal though so I ain't highly concerned with instant turn around. It's unlikely that I will run out prior to next harvest, so if I need a couple extra weeks to get plants ready to flip not to big of a deal.

I've been battling limited space. I'm trying to house moms and pre veg plants all inside a 2x3x4' box with 96w of light. That combined with having to keep clones of all these seed plants until I get through a cycle to see their worth. We all got some sorta struggles in the grow just part of the hobby!

Until next time be safe and take care!

 

[rasputin]

@rasputin - I should be more specific in saying I would not have gotten those genes if not for. But otherwise - you are correct, which you know! Glad to hear you are still hunting the line. I just love how chem sis pairs up with things. Think the one I'm keeping here is a really good 50/50 pheno - stretches like crazy but stacks very well. Flowers much denser than they'd appear. She more greasy and sticky on her resin - but she's for sure raunchy. You forget that if you smoke her all the time. Get on other stuff and come back to her and you realize just how funky she is - and thus the reason for the reveg. Be foolish to let her go. Easy to over look an amazing plant and then end up chasing something like it the next 5 years!

The initial seed run gave just over 4oz off a single plant, with 7 other plants. Given an 8 plant mono crop - she could potentially hit that 2# goal. Glad to say she is still with me. Huge mistake avoided!

dank.Frank

Nice pull! Sister can do pretty well in that regard and PK is above average for an OG type cut so I wouldn't be surprised at 2per. The Sister crosses in particular have been super stretchy. PK is leggy for sure but the Sister isn't that bad, she's fairly compact IME. But just about every seed I've seen popped from this line can get tall fast. Not a problem if you can get them to stack right and fill in. The demand for Ca and P has been heavy from day one.

 

[DoloDankness]

Yes. Soil bed will be re-amended. Going to keep following the same mix - no changes. I actually need to up pot the current plants vegging.

Lazy Lightning being the exception - she's really a pain to grow. She has the same leaf mutation / chlorosis that the old Chem D cut would show. I'm fairly certain it can be fixed with higher levels of magnesium being applied to her watering cycles.

I'm trying to just get her healthy first. Not exactly an easy task.

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She's taking to soil fairly well, but her nutrient issues seem to be somewhat amplified when she is over watered as well. The other thing to try is reducing the intensity or hours of light she is receiving daily.

I want to see if I can get her green.



dank.Frank

I had that same cut of the Lazy Lightning a few years ago and was never able to get her green. My dad said he thinks it may be genetic and after seeing your clone looking EXACTLY like mine from years ago, he may be right. I am definitely along for the ride on this one. She was one of the sweetest smells of the garden. I hope you can get her to green out!

 

[gmanwho]

Nice pull! Sister can do pretty well in that regard and PK is above average for an OG type cut so I wouldn't be surprised at 2per. The Sister crosses in particular have been super stretchy. PK is leggy for sure but the Sister isn't that bad, she's fairly compact IME. But just about every seed I've seen popped from this line can get tall fast. Not a problem if you can get them to stack right and fill in. The demand for Ca and P has been heavy from day one.

the lucy sister is demanding more p in my garden as well. first time ive seen in awhile a plant that has wanted more p with my hydro feed schedules.

 

[dank.frank]

The way she is stacking in veg, she looks like she could make poles!

I really wanted to do a Mochiesel or Lazy Lightning round next - but, it looks like just based on growth rates and plant health - Sis/PK and Luci/Sis will likely be filling my next flower run.

Not a bad idea to run two heavy feeding OG/Chem type crosses together in the same cycle.



dank.Frank

 

[nickman]

The way she is stacking in veg, she looks like she could make poles!

I really wanted to do a Mochiesel or Lazy Lightning round next - but, it looks like just based on growth rates and plant health - Sis/PK and Luci/Sis will likely be filling my next flower run.

Not a bad idea to run two heavy feeding OG/Chem type crosses together in the same cycle.



dank.Frank

Can’t wait to see this next run...!!!...

Chem/OG is where it’s at................

 

[dank.frank]

I agree. That's where that loud loud head fade can be found. I know how the sis/pk smokes. Be glad to have her back in the jars. Very curious to see what MeltingPot crafted and selected from this Luci x Sis though. Good times.



dank.Frank

 

[gmanwho]

I agree. That's where that loud loud head fade can be found. I know how the sis/pk smokes. Be glad to have her back in the jars. Very curious to see what MeltingPot crafted and selected from this Luci x Sis though. Good times.



dank.Frank

on the lucy sis, what i remember was they where fems. i forget the grower who started them, but they only started a few like 4 or 6 seeds. then they picked that cut. gave the cut to melty. eventually melty passed to me, an now u.



if i remember correctly from talking with melty, there wasnt many seeds to start an even fewer received the seeds. then on top of that only one person has started them.



i really want to say i think only that one person has popped them an i dont believe melty even started any on his own. i could be wrong.



been a long time in the works but its exciting to have enough lucy's sister clones to fill a room or 2 now.. an there is a 12 pack of lucy x sis beans in the fridge waiting. one day at a time...


bwell man!

 

[nickman]

I agree. That's where that loud loud head fade can be found. I know how the sis/pk smokes. Be glad to have her back in the jars. Very curious to see what MeltingPot crafted and selected from this Luci x Sis though. Good times.



dank.Frank

Me too...!!!...

 

[dank.frank]

R.I.P. JW - I'll never forget smoking GG4 - before it had a name - in a small mountain town with a couple of glass blowers. They ended up letting me stick around all night and sent me home with some nice glass I still have to this day.

That was an awesome weekend - sharing fire herbs with strangers.

We're still over here working with the GG4 gene pool. If it's not broken.





dank.Frank

 

[GMT]

Man you're making us wait for the mars grow lol. Couple of thoughts reading through. I'm sure it was just a typo, but just to make sure, the iso settings relate to image quality (lower number better image, but requiring brighter light), the f number being the depth of usable focus range (the higher the greater focal range). Also npk, more p than k? Not seen anyone take that route yet and you're plants clearly love it. Thought these days conventional wisdom was double k to p? I only ask as I'm going to start feeding mine with bottles again soon, and I'm prepping my shopping list. Any lessons for me on that one?

 

[dank.frank]

The P/K thing has to do with basic nutrient availability. Maximizing P uptake truly requires fungal relationships with the roots. K is absorbed by roots as a cation when exchanged for a hydrogen ion. As long as the CEC is good in the soil, K isn't going anywhere. It'll be bound in place. P on the other hand, unless the soil food web is really healthy and fungal pathways are established, is at risk of being washed out of the media with excessive run off. You'll notice, several different sources of P as well - that's because of different break down and availability rates. Some of that P or K isn't even being released into the soil yet, because the soil life just hasn't done so yet.

I wouldn't really suggest following what I'm doing in any sort of theory - unless you are doing what I'm doing. Honestly, I'm just going with what I know has worked for me in the past. The first 40 pages or so really go into depth about how and why I picked the NPK values I did as a target range.

I'd not suggest someone trying to hit those numbers bottle feeding...but, Pounds Per Acre can be converted to PPM.

740-1110-925 = 272 - 408 -340 = 1020 ppm for just base NPK

Which is actually really interesting, because I hadn't done that math yet - but that is very close to the suggested feeding range of many saying they never have go over 1100ppm on their feeds. (Hammerhead, comes to mind, if I'm not mistaken.)

Might be a good indication as to why the current soil mix is actually working so well... it's amazing how, with a bit of proper math and science...

No other soil mix ever posted to ICmag or any other forum - or that is currently being peddled and hawked via some website and promoted as an all in one - has been put together the way the one in this thread was.



dank.Frank

 

[heady blunts]

I had that same cut of the Lazy Lightning a few years ago and was never able to get her green. My dad said he thinks it may be genetic and after seeing your clone looking EXACTLY like mine from years ago, he may be right. I am definitely along for the ride on this one. She was one of the sweetest smells of the garden. I hope you can get her to green out!

only time i ever saw her fully green was in megarawton’s garden. she variegated within 4 weeks in my soil mix i was using at the time.

on the lucy sis, what i remember was they where fems. i forget the grower who started them, but they only started a few like 4 or 6 seeds. then they picked that cut. gave the cut to melty. eventually melty passed to me, an now u.



if i remember correctly from talking with melty, there wasnt many seeds to start an even fewer received the seeds. then on top of that only one person has started them.



i really want to say i think only that one person has popped them an i dont believe melty even started any on his own. i could be wrong.



been a long time in the works but its exciting to have enough lucy's sister clones to fill a room or 2 now.. an there is a 12 pack of lucy x sis beans in the fridge waiting. one day at a time...


bwell man!

melty said it was one of those reversals that just didn’t produce many seeds. i grew two out one leaned og the other more chem. they both had some nice floral perfume things going on but unfortunately i wasn’t able to give them multiple runs like they deserved (problems with my landlords at the time).

the cut that’s being passed was selected by maxresin. got a few dabs to sample a few years ago and i remember it being more similar to my chem leaner. floral terps too iirc. max makes amazing hash and rosin so i bet if he kept it it’s a good hash plant too.

sounds like you’ve flowered her in your garden already gmanwho. what are the flowers like?

 

[gmanwho]

only time i ever saw her fully green was in megarawton’s garden. she variegated within 4 weeks in my soil mix i was using at the time.




melty said it was one of those reversals that just didn’t produce many seeds. i grew two out one leaned og the other more chem. they both had some nice floral perfume things going on but unfortunately i wasn’t able to give them multiple runs like they deserved (problems with my landlords at the time).

the cut that’s being passed was selected by maxresin. got a few dabs to sample a few years ago and i remember it being more similar to my chem leaner. floral terps too iirc. max makes amazing hash and rosin so i bet if he kept it it’s a good hash plant too.

sounds like you’ve flowered her in your garden already gmanwho. what are the flowers like?

thats who it was , maxresin, where the cut was selected.



Unfortunately they are not as happy as they should be. only have one going with 11 other variety, gmo an sourvalley. 3 weeks ago i foliar feed them, i shut the exhaust fan down to keep the humidity high in the room to let the foliar do its thing. but i forgot to turn the exhaust back on hrs later.



sealed room, exhaust scrubber runs 24/7 to remove greenhouse gases an unwanted gases built from the co2 burner. keep vacuum in room for smell control.


2 weeks went by,lost alot of fan leaf before it clicked that my dumbass forgot to turn the exhaust back on.



so some posts back i thought she needed more p, which actually was the damage being caused by building gases. been down that road before an i shoulve known....


i get alot of the lucifer og smell from her in the stem rub an early flower.



i got another room coming down in 20 to 30days that will be either half loaded or fully loaded with the lucy sister. know better then..


bwell

 

[dank.frank]

This next round of flower is supposed to be a LED comparison round between the Mars EpiStar 160 and the HGLED XB200.

It seems a bit moot to do a demonstration grow under a product that Mars has since discontinued production of, but I did say that is what I was going to do, so that is what I am going to do.

To make it a bit more relevant this time, I wanted to run a plant I'm familiar with, rather than seeds or new clones that have just come in.

The Chem Sis x Topanga Pure Kush is ready to go. This plant now has a nickname in my room. Just going to start calling it "The Boz". I don't expect I'll be letting this plant go, if I'm being honest. She really is a great 50/50 blend of the two parents and has a really nasty (in the best way) funk to her that is unique. More so than anything, she is completely different than the Mochiesel #9 and given they both run 11wks, I see them as being the perfect companion plants to just keeping running on repeat.

The Boz and M9. Going to see a lot more of those two plants.

In the mean time, I'm waiting on a sorta secret seed project to finish up so I can start sorting more genes. That's the real reason for expanding. I need production and I need exploration. I enjoy the genetic exploration more and it gets in the way of production and keeping a steady supply.

Just keeping everyone posted. See you soon with soil updates. Light meter data for these LEDs. Soil bed reamending. Trying to get Lazy Lightning green...

Much love, IC. Keep 'em green.



dank.Frank

 

[mr.brunch]

Hello mate hope you’re well
I have to say regarding the hgl I’ve moved back to the 600 hps in that tent as the yield seemed to take a dent last run. I’m doing a test with the mars tsw 2000 and after that I may combine the xb200 with it (making around 500w ) and see what happens.
Should be pretty bright

Looking forward to seeing your results on the new run, all the best

 

[dank.frank]

The XB200 is supposed to compete with a 400w HPS by design. I can understand why you took a dent, considering.

I'd pick it over a 400w HPS. Not sure I'd pick it over a 315w CMH.

This next round will be interesting. Mono-cop of a great plant I'm familiar with. Only need 8 plants this round. Going to double SCROG this round, but won't over veg. These lights have limited penetration and the sis/tpk has good legs on her in flower - I know she'll stretch further than the lights will penetrate so keeping growth in that sweet spot is going to be the key with LED.

I want to try and keep everything with a very tight 15" canopy. I'll keep the LEDs a bit closer the first week of flower to allow a canopy to form - about 14" away from the tops. I'll pull the lights back to about 20-22" to allow for adequate stretch. Once stretch stops I'll bring them close again - within 10" from the canopy and I'll keep them there until about the last two weeks of flower, when I'll back them off a bit again to about 14-16".

I have NEVER been one to move or adjust lights. I've always preferred to overkill watts/lumens per sq ft (the old metrics) and put the plants into flower at the right size, in the right sized container and watch them stretch gracefully into the lamps, stopping naturally as they hit the higher heat zones near the bulb. It was always about timing things right.

This new spectrum science with low wattage, requires a different approach and I learned that the first round with the 2 x HGLED XB200 setup. I can still read the plants and see when there is room for improvement. It's up to me as the grower to not default to blaming the tech vs taking an truly objective approach which can help me improve my grow game with any system.

Everyone has given me a hard time for the "Blurple" LED system - but truthfully, I'd not classify the XB200 as such a light.

I'm not really sure...I'd classify the Mars Hydro Pro II EpiStar 160 - as a Blurple either though, simply because it does include a mixed spectrum of lights.

It uses a 5 LED cluster with a lens to spread the light pattern. It uses some of the same EpiStar LED diodes as the XB200, which also makes this a rather interesting comparison.

Mars says the full spectrum is 61.3% red, 30.7% green, and 8% Blue - peaking at 633nm - a very red color definitely intended for "enhanced flowering".

The light says it is intended to fit a 2 x 4 area - and I have been using it in veg, where I have a 4 ft spread. It does not cover that area. I feel putting it in a 2.5 x 2.5 is relatively comparative to the actual spread capabilities of the fixture and makes for a valid comparison to the XB200.

THE REAL TAKE AWAY HERE - and this is important - if the Mars Hydro Pro II Epistar 160 even performs as well as, the XB200, then the additional spectrum in the XB200 are moot and using "white full spectrum" LEDs may just be the way to go after all.

Which, sure - everyone can chuckle and say, DUH - FRANK - we told you this. Keep in mind, I was given these lights. One the manufacturer has ghosted everyone - the other, now discontinued and no longer in production. I get I'm a bit behind the times, but I did have a 5.5 year break from the hobby. Maybe I just needed to play catch up and experience the tech gap to have a proper understanding for myself the A ---> Z of things.

Either way, next round: Mars Hydro EpiStar 160 vs HGLED XB200 over a mono crop of the boz.



dank.Frank

 

[GMT]

I didn't know that mars had discontinued that light. I think I'd contact them first and ask if they would rather swap it out for something they are selling. These thread sponsorships are after all, intended to drive their future sales.

 

[dank.frank]

The other good news is I've finally got a proper mental picture of how to design and build this little expansion. Will start the 3d modeling process. I really want to find a way to practically expand the veg area and add in a proper drying area, but I'm still undecided on how "necessary" that is.

I know how it goes. If I give myself more veg area, I'm just going to fill it with more seedlings.



dank.Frank