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Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?
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But then upon further review he claims his 5 plant 2k watt 37 gallon totes grow netted 4.75lbs or 1.07gpw.
Which is it I wonder?
Now 1gpw is a nice grow, no doubt. However, many of us using this defoliation technique, after a grow or two experience using it are doing better than 1.07 gpw. And many are not vegging 8 weeks as the Dr claims he is doing.
Interesting huh doc?
Which is it I wonder?
Now 1gpw is a nice grow, no doubt. However, many of us using this defoliation technique, after a grow or two experience using it are doing better than 1.07 gpw. And many are not vegging 8 weeks as the Dr claims he is doing.
Interesting huh doc?
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TribalSeeds
I wonder if i should skin my girls alive for only 12 day vegged only to slow growth for another 2 weeks hahahaha YO bassy
But wait???? i will post you what they look like in another 2 weeks
and what 1650 ppm of C02 can do to plants I so would really like you then to post what one of your plants look like skinned and at start of 4th week VEGreally looks like
oh here are some day 29 veg veg from a 3 " clone
PS: i will also ram down your throat pictures of harvest like 80 buds per plant averaging 80 grams wet per bud
NOT bad for 1 plant trim filling up 36 x 72 screen would love to see one of your defoilated plants do that lmao
You want YIELD invest in a C02 system PUSSY
Youre still posting here and still dont get it? Talk about losing credibility.
Its not about having the biggest yield or the biggest badest setup. Its about improving your yield with a minimal amount of space or expensive gear.
As far as I know, the OP doesnt run co2 or sealed. He does this in a small tunnel and has worked with this technique for decades.
This thread isnt about you, its about people who want to learn about defoliation. I feel bad just posting here to try and clear up your bs because I know youre too high to read it and I dont wanna take up anymore space in this guys thread
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uhm that is correct 4.75 pounds from 5 plant run 2 k like i said your more then welcome to see my current grow which will end up 9 - 12 plant 3 K PLUS c02 5 x 15 scrog i was little disapointed as i usually get 1160 dry grams per 1 k but again it was heat of summer and not in my actual room, But with everything dialed in now LETS let the show begin
oh, ok, so you're saying 1.16gpw is the shit and defoliators can't achieve that?
I just thought I'd post D9's post from this thread. post #980. Sadly the pics are gone, but I remember seeing them back in Dec '11 or so. But hey, this shit doesn't work.
Duuude... DrFever.. please just stop. No one is saying you can't grow whatever you want, however you want. Its YOU stopping around here saying that WE can't do something.. when we're already doing it. You are just coming off like an ass my man. We don't need or want your presence in this thread.
That said, I'm happy to follow YOUR thread because unlike you, I'm always open to watching and learning new techniques.
That said, I'm happy to follow YOUR thread because unlike you, I'm always open to watching and learning new techniques.
From experience, and trial and error, I can see why any grower would say that defoliation is not conducive to the improvement of yield.
However, this is a misconception.. One of the most common problems is how and when you implement defoliation.
Id certainly not pluck em all at once, this causes a level of stress on the plants they usually dont recover from that quick, and in bloom we arent exactly trying to add time to the flowering cycle.
After LOSING 25% of our harvest over stress inducing mass defoliation, we figured out that in order to see benefits, the plants must be healthy, and you must only remove one to a few fan leaves a day from the main stalk, no more than that as mass plucking is arbitrary and and causes stress..
Start at about week 2 and be gentle, only removing a fan leaf a day or two working up to the week just before the plants put on weight. (smaller plants just put a few days between defoliating the plant).
Usually, we start at the top of the plant and go down as the flowering period continues..
Just to let you know this technique works well, however I think some people are taking the wrong approach.. Of course I could be wrong, but Im only in a few growrooms, cant see how everyone is doing it..
However, this is a misconception.. One of the most common problems is how and when you implement defoliation.
Id certainly not pluck em all at once, this causes a level of stress on the plants they usually dont recover from that quick, and in bloom we arent exactly trying to add time to the flowering cycle.
After LOSING 25% of our harvest over stress inducing mass defoliation, we figured out that in order to see benefits, the plants must be healthy, and you must only remove one to a few fan leaves a day from the main stalk, no more than that as mass plucking is arbitrary and and causes stress..
Start at about week 2 and be gentle, only removing a fan leaf a day or two working up to the week just before the plants put on weight. (smaller plants just put a few days between defoliating the plant).
Usually, we start at the top of the plant and go down as the flowering period continues..
Just to let you know this technique works well, however I think some people are taking the wrong approach.. Of course I could be wrong, but Im only in a few growrooms, cant see how everyone is doing it..
I can see what and how you are saying.. but that is not truly getting the full benefit. Go back and read the OP's info in the first thread. He recommends (and I have success with) stripping the plants bare. It can be tricky to learn the timing and such tho. I of course agree that the plants must be healthy and growing fast. (as mentioned by the op)
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TribalSeeds
Thats not defoliation as described in this thread. That might expose some of your lower sites, but that is not ever going to change the structure of your plant.
I cant imagine how many months it would take me to strip my plants bare by removing a couple leaves at a time anyway. After defoliation you have so many leaves you need to remove them nonstop using 2 hands at a time.
Proper pruning all the way through the life cycle is essential.
You cut your hair and nails right?
As usual people are at the extremes, either rape 'em or only pull a few here and there.
Absolutely the plants can have 5-10% of major fans removed every 3-4 days when in veg or stretch and growing vigorously.
In full flower 10% per week will keep all those big fans, that sweat water, off your flowers, and allow light through to help mature the lowers that don't get pruned after stretch.
If you don't do much pruning and then strip them naked at end of stretch it absolutely will stress them, what the results are have been documented by people, increased flower time, decreased yield, hermies on sensitive plants.
It is like anything in growing, proper cultural practices must be learned, applied and fined tuned through experience.
Point being proper pruning works, period. It can increase yield but it will increase quality.
This thread has a bad title.
That is all :hattip:
You cut your hair and nails right?
As usual people are at the extremes, either rape 'em or only pull a few here and there.
Absolutely the plants can have 5-10% of major fans removed every 3-4 days when in veg or stretch and growing vigorously.
In full flower 10% per week will keep all those big fans, that sweat water, off your flowers, and allow light through to help mature the lowers that don't get pruned after stretch.
If you don't do much pruning and then strip them naked at end of stretch it absolutely will stress them, what the results are have been documented by people, increased flower time, decreased yield, hermies on sensitive plants.
It is like anything in growing, proper cultural practices must be learned, applied and fined tuned through experience.
Point being proper pruning works, period. It can increase yield but it will increase quality.
This thread has a bad title.
That is all :hattip:
was scrolling thru some threads As you can see i ran into Heath's thread
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=181239
And WOW He has not touched one leaf and look NO Really look lol
Now look at the bottom Bud sites ????? is there really a need to defoilate ???? you just have to look at some of the best growers around and they won't defoil
Please Say well they don't know how to lol Its not that at all its about proper training of a plant and running good lighting LIGHT + healthy plants = Yield and nothing other then that will gain you stupid yields
Cheers Doc
The real deal is keeping it green till the end you do that and you will have the best possible YIELD
Anyone can Veg a plant its flowering one minor burn to plants and you fcked your yield to much?? or to little of food you hurt your plants it takes many grows and fine tuning but most growers tend to switch strains like i switch underwear lol so they will never really get full yields out of there strain hell 3rd year same strain
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=181239
And WOW He has not touched one leaf and look NO Really look lol
Now look at the bottom Bud sites ????? is there really a need to defoilate ???? you just have to look at some of the best growers around and they won't defoil
Please Say well they don't know how to lol Its not that at all its about proper training of a plant and running good lighting LIGHT + healthy plants = Yield and nothing other then that will gain you stupid yields
Cheers Doc
The real deal is keeping it green till the end you do that and you will have the best possible YIELD
Anyone can Veg a plant its flowering one minor burn to plants and you fcked your yield to much?? or to little of food you hurt your plants it takes many grows and fine tuning but most growers tend to switch strains like i switch underwear lol so they will never really get full yields out of there strain hell 3rd year same strain
That generalization is bad. As proof, look at the two quotes I posted from this thread above. D9 got massive yields stripping them only in flower with no previous prep that I am aware of.
Now the word "naked" can be taken literally or in context to the topic. Let's stick to in context. As such, in context, that would generally mean the grower stripped nearly all the fan leaves at once in flower. Let's say 80-90% as in context imo.
MANY a grower have done this with NO stress, no longer flower period, no hermie and saw increased yields from their past experience in same strain & methods grows. As I have.
In fact, stripping them hard before the end of stretch can be used as a tool to manipulate height! I had to strip them hard 3 days or so before the end of stretch because I let them get too tall in veg and they were 3" from my 1000w hps adjusted to max height, with little room to bend. This worked great for me and I am within days of harvest. I'm growing Kosher Kush, a 9-10 week strain, and I ma at day 70 today. Trichs are all cloudy and I am within probably 3-7 days of where I want them. Through the entire flower period after stretch there was hardly a fan leaf allowed to grow more than a 1" stem before it was pulled.
I'll give dry weight when I chop. My guess? too hard to say. But here's the canopy in a 5'x5' tent, 4 plants.
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What part of 32" cubed area per plant did you not understand from the op? As I said before, you are illiterate.
You keep trying to compare apples to oranges as a basis for your arguments, when clearly the op has stated and applied this to growing in a limited space/light availability.
When you can start getting 12oz per plant in a 32" cubed area without defoliating I will say hats off to you as well. But in the meantime, you sir can not say it doesn't work when there is so much proof within this thread suggesting it does when applied properly.
LOL! Dr, you're such a dufuss. You're trying to use his grow as the end all say all be all? You do realize his 2 plant grow used 5 x 600w lights right? thats 3000 watts for TWO PLANTS!
Five feet tall plants!
Oh and his yield? .22 GPW! ya man, thats a MONSTER yield. Very efficient.
Five feet tall plants!
Oh and his yield? .22 GPW! ya man, thats a MONSTER yield. Very efficient.
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