Just ignore him Senior and maybe he'll stop his preaching. He can't make it work so he's intent on trying to knock everyone else down. I mean, why else would he continue on in a thread trying to convince people that it doesn't work, we we all do it successfully all the time. lol
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Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?
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Steve its scientifically proven that leafs on a plant are there for a reason its you and bassy that are keeping this thread going if you want to learn how to make YIELD your more then welcome to join my thread within the next week is where i will be posting pictures of exactly that
preaching i can't make it work you ever think why the hell would i i am not worried about light hell if i want i'll ad 20 k if i want to if i need more light get it
You think i am trying to knock everyone else down you got to understand one thing ? I don't really care what you do to your plants REALLY i Don't or what anyone else does to there plants
i also Never said it doesn't work i said it will stunt growth , can cause hermies , can effect yield dramatically
I also said a plant like MJ its only purpose is to really produce seed so it can grow again next year so if it could produce more i am sure the leafs would fall off naturally and they do when the plant uses up all its sugars and starches ya GET IT
it doesn't make sense to you because your math is off by a lot...your harvest numbers now, at well over a gram per watt, while impressive(very few people EVER achieve a gram per watt, though many make the claim) it's not possible to yeild 10 pounds from 2000 watts, just the same way as it's incredibly unlikely to yeild 7 pounds off of 2 thousand watts, which is your conservative future projection. thats 1.5 grams per watt and 10 pounds would be 2.2 grams per watt! show me ANYBODY getting those numbers and i'll be amazed...no offense but it's not possible...a few of the top top growers like heath robinson are pulling a ~1.5 per watt but those dudes have everything dialed perfectly, big vert trees filling a room, and even then they don't always get that much. to predict that you will easily almost double their numbers is a bit presumptuous, especially when you are trying to use those theoretical projections to belittle the numbers that i am currently getting without provocation...
and then to say in 4 runs you would make 21 pounds off of 2 thousand watts, while i'm only making 480 grams total from 4 cycles, well the math there is also wrong, because my realistic future projection, based on my monthly harvests for many many cycles, is 195 grams a month, per half of my cab, i run perpetual, so 390 overall in one 2 month "cycle", 4 cycles of that is around 3.5 pounds off 400w of light. now the second error in math...comparing your 2k to my 400w without figuring in the disparity of our grow sizes...simple math would tell you that 5 of my 400w lights would be equal to your 2 1000w lights, and so my 3.5 pounds should be multiplied by 5 to fairly compare yields fairly, although 400w lights aren't nearly as efficient as 1000's... but i'll give ya that much, even despite that it would be my 17.9 pounds at the yield i'm already getting WITH DEFOLIATION or your 21 pounds at the 1.5+ grams per watt you THINK you MAY be able to achieve in the future, with co2, that i also do not use...all in all i think fixing the math proves that there are many ways to max out yield per watt and that none is really the "best" way for every situation...if you can get those kind of yields, which ive only seen done by heath robinson vert style imp, than ya maybe your way is better, if you've stumbled on a way to get 2.3 grams per watt with a scog maybe we all should be copying you...and you should be the next "heath robinson".
i NEVER, EVER said my way was the best or better than yours, i just said that at the scale im working with it gives me the best yields with the least work, if you were trying to do this with 600 clones and 2000w it might very well be a huge hassle and not worth it, considering with bigger lights you can grow taller bushes, because 1000w lights penetrate deeper, hence the higher efficiency over 400...sogs like mine can't get much taller than 18 inches depending on strain, im averaging 14 inches with c99, so a bigger bush style grow that can utilize the full penetration of the larger lights would yield slightly more than the shorter bushes of the same density under a 400w...i never said my way was best, i said there were many ways to achieve the same goal, around a gram per watt, depending on strains and grow sizes and wattage's, but the one thing they all had in common was the tighter you pack the growth the better your yeilds get, and defoliation helps deal with the increased humidity and decreased light that occurs when you do pack them in closer.
i don't know why you feel that i am attacking you or your grow mrfever...making wild, outlandish yeild claims, unfairly weighted math, and basically saying that my way of growing doesn't make sense, because i can't reach 2.3 grams per watt like you apparently can? and fyi it's kinda in poor taste to show a pic of a bud and then state it's wet weight as a way of making it seem bigger...that is a big beautiful bud, but it couldn't have weighed more than 50 grams dry...it's standard practice to only use dry weights when comparing yields of grows or individual plants, so stating it's wet weight in a conversation exclusively about dry weights doesn't seem totally kosher in this context. your buds are gorgeous and you obviously have a high yielding strain there, i am growing a med-low yielding sativa...if i were to grow something like northern lights or chem d i could probably increase my average plant weight by a gram or two pretty easily, giving me an even better yeild, although i haven't experimented with that yet, it may mean reducing plant numbers to fit in bigger buds but more likely it will mean rather than lower buds being med sativa golf balls, they would be more like northern lights, that likes to make one big bud, from bottom to top, rather than a top bud and several smaller ones below it, like og kush and c99...the point is i'm not saying your way is bad or not as good as mine, im not even saying that you aren't getting a gram per watt right now, just that our grows are completely different and i don't really like having to defend the worthiness of my grow that is currently out-yeilding most 400w grows i see.
senorsloth, you state govt doesnt care about numbers, but for me, and many others, we DO HAVE PLANT LIMITATIONS. I will get over 2# from my 4 plant grow, max allowed in flower in my state (local state gov't). I need max yield for butter to last to treat my mother alzheimers. If I grew 4 mini clones and got 20 grams like you, her treatment would suffer.
I choose to use this method for max yield with plant limitations. I have increased my yield using high defoliation technique.
I choose to use this method for max yield with plant limitations. I have increased my yield using high defoliation technique.
JWP
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Come on now its been nearly 2 and a half years since this nonsense thread was started and people are still cutting the leaves off their plants thinking they will get a higher yield.
I would laugh but its really not funny anymore.
If it could be done you would see pictures and reports of an untouched clone next to a defoliated clone. But no where in this thread or the rest of the world do you see this.
I really don't know why this nonsense is still a sticky. Like someones sick joke to see how long people will keep doing it.
I guess people did piss on seeds for decades thinking they would get more females when some moron started that rumor. No reason why this is any different...
I would laugh but its really not funny anymore.
If it could be done you would see pictures and reports of an untouched clone next to a defoliated clone. But no where in this thread or the rest of the world do you see this.
I really don't know why this nonsense is still a sticky. Like someones sick joke to see how long people will keep doing it.
I guess people did piss on seeds for decades thinking they would get more females when some moron started that rumor. No reason why this is any different...
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very interesting read gents .
Yes I get it. No prob. Do you understand, that the OP, plus me and bassy, plus countless other people take off the leaves and increase yield directly from this? Not maybe, or I think, or possibly, but ACTUALLY do it time and again?
lol I will answer your question. We actually do it every run, and we actually see an increase in yield. Is it that hard for you to understand? We're not "hoping" to increase yield, or "thinking" it will. We are increasing our numbers in practice... plain and simple.
What is the purpose of YOUR post now? You don't "THINK" that it works so you're going to convince us that we're not experiencing an increase in our yields?
Man you guys are stubborn customers. If you don't want to do it, then don't. Trying to tell people that something doesn't work, when we know for FACT that it can work is foolish. I mean really.. if I said that its impossible for you to grow pot indoors what would you say? Do you honestly think that if it lowered our yield that we would continue to do it?
YEA i guess you need to worry about defoilating when your growing with CFL's hahahaa
Do you realize that you're just plain offensive or does that not occur to you? Who the fuck said anything about CFL's..
iampolluted
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there's nothing wrong with growing with cfl's. if it weren't for those, many of use wouldn't be sitting here with 4k or more worth of hps. i still use 600w of cfl's for veg.. less heat than any hps or mh out there without air cooling, and still capable of growing trees.
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Iffy-Caradoc
Yeah, ditto with that mate. I've always plucked off the leaves and to no ill effect. You can't go rampaging through an established grow, they have to have been trained from the 5 leaf stage. Super Cropping and training techniques are the same, start young and reap the rewards later. Might add a week or so to the overall cycle but the harvest will be bigger. I've always said the same; What are we in the business of - growing leaves or bud?
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me blunt is like, wicked yo!! owight
to pick or not to pick, that is the question
JWP
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The earth is flat, piss on your seeds, defoliate your plants...
You guys really are not the brightest.
2.5 years later and you still cant put two clones side by side and say "look world defoliating is awesome"?
Hell get blynx to do it. He has a great reputation and that dude weighs stems, leaves, gnats, EVERYTHING!
It cant be done, it never will be done. This thread should be in the trash. It has caused untold damage and what benefit? NONE!
iampolluted
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i copied the information below from your signature jwp.... different strokes for different folks, so don't knock it until you've tried it.
"Sea of green or SOG is the method of growing where a multitude of smaller plants are grown instead of few large ones. These smaller plants will mature faster and in less time than larger plants and one crop can be started while another is maturing. This saves the grower a lot of time and money as less time is required between crops. This method is also good for those wanting to make the most out of their smaller grow area.
Twice as many plants grown half as big will fill the grow space twice as fast, so harvests take place almost twice as often.
Although SOG is more of a style of growing than an actual technique that can be applied in order to increase the harvest. I still wanted to mention it here as this method of growing will under the right conditions actually increase the harvest. As opposed to growing a few larger plants in the same area, that is. Since you want the buds to cover as much of the grow area as possible, 1-4 plants per sq. ft. is a good rule of thumb for SOG. More light in the grow room also allows for more plants.
Plants should naturally not be topped when using the this method as the idea is to harvest the main cola from a whole bunch of smaller plants and topping them defeats that purpose. Plants that favour the main cola make excellent sog plants. The light can be kept closer to the plants and it reaches all the way down since the plants will be a lot smaller and shorter than in a normal grow. Perhaps this picture will illustrate my point.
The SOG plants do not require any training as that will only slow them down and delay the harvest. It is probably better to just grow more plants instead and fill out the entire surface area with as many plants as possible. In case the smaller plants do not fill up the entire area of the grow room, some minor LST training might be needed in order for them to branch out a bit more.
The SOG grow can also be Scrogged for further control over the plants. In order for this method to be truly effective, all the new plants would have to be clones from the same mother. That means that all the little plants will grow at the same rate, which is important for keeping an even canopy.
Although no topping and training is needed when growing SOG, the trimming of branches and fan leaves, especially lower ones, becomes a must because every little bit of space counts towards the harvest. By removing excess fan leaves that would otherwise block bud sites, the SOG grower improves on his yield. Since SOG grows usually contain a great number of plants in a relatively small area, the need for trimming fan leaves becomes apparent. After all, what we are after is a bountiful harvest and different methods apply to different styles of growing."
So just wtf are you going to say to me and my highly defoliated non cfl grows with pics that I have posted?
You continue to take extremely weak ass shots.
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Iffy-Caradoc
I've used the method for years, so from a personal standpoint - no one can tell me it doesn't work. You get bigger yields, period.
Fed up of trimming that scraggy shit from the bottom of the plant? The lower leaves if left in shade get extra growth hormones to increase their growth, so they can reach the light. Why waste that precious growth hormone? Prune them and let the goodness flow upstairs! IMHO
I wonder if i should skin my girls alive for only 12 day vegged only to slow growth for another 2 weeks hahahaha YO bassy
But wait???? i will post you what they look like in another 2 weeks
and what 1650 ppm of C02 can do to plants I so would really like you then to post what one of your plants look like skinned and at start of 4th week VEG
really looks like 
oh here are some day 29 veg veg from a 3 " clone
PS: i will also ram down your throat pictures of harvest like 80 buds per plant averaging 80 grams wet per bud
NOT bad for 1 plant trim filling up 36 x 72 screen would love to see one of your defoilated plants do that lmao
You want YIELD invest in a C02 system PUSSY
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