..... that's simplistic, weed doesn't lead to rape and violence against women.
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De Blasio:". . . everyone should feel safe"
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Don't flatter yourself, you really don't have the power to make me 'afraid' or 'upset'!
Genghis Kush
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I don't think it is confused genetics.
Its more likely something that was advantages in our evolutionary past.
Genghis Kush
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Don't flatter yourself, you really don't have the power to make me 'afraid' or 'upset'!
You miss understood.
Its the idea of being trapped in bathroom with a predator that scares you.
And my opinion has clearly upset you.
I mean no harm.
Bhavatu Sabba Mangalam
If it is (which I agree) then it is a phenotype expression then so is conservatism and thus those rights should be equally protected
Am I the only person who saw the part about being able to use locker rooms? How would you like it if some pervert in highschool was watching your daughters undress and possibly sexual assault? I can't see anything good coming out of this.and for fucks sake, don't we have bigger problems than people of the same sex being uncomfortable using the fucking bathroom? Geez, grow the fuck up!
lol…what about the poor people that suffer from Parureisis.
I will venture to say that statistically there are probably more women that have been raped and will be uncomfortable by unisex bathrooms than there are people being marginalized because of their take on gender. I think in some situations it might lead to predatory behaviors.
I think where there are use bathrooms it becomes less relevant.
Remember while we hope all of society will elevate to the highest level we must remember there is still a lowest common denominator and there are still people who have little control over carnal behavior.
If I had a women's bathroom fetish I could now dress the part, and sit in a stall sniffing the seat and spraying the walls with my exuberance.
ohh the possibilities, bet there will be fetish vines and videos within 30 days from the law taking place and I don't mean mine.
ohh the possibilities, bet there will be fetish vines and videos within 30 days from the law taking place and I don't mean mine.
the right to oppress others isn't a right
No but how is being conservative and wanting to keep privacy you already posses being taking away oppression by their design? Did people who use bathrooms today and adapt to that use create gender norms? If we are going to choose a homogeneous set of rules whose rights should be protected?
I deviated from the norm with cannabis and did so because I thought it was personally right. I never needed that right to be honored by others to enjoy it and now that legality is taking place I still respect that some people do not like pot.
Not an issue for me, I don't need to smoke everywhere and expose other to it to enjoy it.
I get it, I enjoy when I can freely smoke, but ti bothers me if anyone is bothered by it. I don' get off on making people uncomfortable. For the same reason the law says I am no allowed (im not that brave either way) to rub one out in public.
The old school mentality is that majority creates the norms for the society we all enjoy, now it is shifting to rising minorities and all I am saying is that no demographic need be marginalized in today's world, nor do we need to share all the same values and express the same behaviors.
I have no problem with any one lifestyle but I think that all lifestyles from restrictive and segmented to open and without boundaries should be able to be expressed.
The right way to address is it to have a choice, private or not.
You want to use a room with stalls and urinals and other people great go to that line, you want a single use bathroom, great, go to that line.
maybe a couple private use bathrooms for every couple dozen toilets and you can serve both those who need privacy regardless of reason and those who want to be accepted as is.
I personally think there are more pressing matters to legislate and enforce, because in the end tax dollars are paying for all the causation that comes from this one.
Genghis Kush
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that's the same argument that was used in America to justify racial segregation.
That's funny because I've been thinking about the fact that I haven't seen anything on the internet, cable, print media or in real-life about men or women feeling oppressed because they couldn't use the bathroom assigned to the other sex.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE????
It's a non-issue!
Genghis Kush
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Its not really about bathroom or changing rooms.
its about how we perceive ourselves as a species.
Americas Christian view of male and female is pretty deranged.
Its black and white and that dichotomy is unrealistic.
There is a wide range of natural behavior patterns in humans regarding sexuality and gender and it serves society to recognize the common patterns and integrate that into the culture.
Its not beneficial to deny reality it creates confusion and tension.
This issue exists because reality has been denied for so long.
its about how we perceive ourselves as a species.
Americas Christian view of male and female is pretty deranged.
Its black and white and that dichotomy is unrealistic.
There is a wide range of natural behavior patterns in humans regarding sexuality and gender and it serves society to recognize the common patterns and integrate that into the culture.
Its not beneficial to deny reality it creates confusion and tension.
This issue exists because reality has been denied for so long.
I'd say that in NYC a lot more people will be suffering from the condition!
...... but those people's feelings are of lesser concern!
Your statement boarders slander. It is not the same argument. My argument is not justifying or suggesting segregation but preserving privacy for those who desire or require it. You can't segregate single use.
By the same logic of this law I should be able to apply for loans, colleges and jobs as a black man and gain the benefits there of under minority rights laws even though I am white, simply because I identify with being black.
The only same sex bathrooms are of American Christian design? Kinda like fluoride in American water?
Doesn't gender segregation exists in most cities with modern plumbing, where are the statistics for how many first world countries have unisex group bathrooms?
If so then why do these "natural" behaviors get sacrificed in light on another "natural" behavior? Can't they both coexist and have their boundaries respected?
Genghis Kush
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heres a totally different take on things:
"The word fa'afafine includes the causative prefix fa'a–, meaning "in the manner of", and the word fafine, meaning "woman".[2] It is cognate with linguistically related words in other Polynesian languages, such as the Tongan fakafefine (also fakaleiti), the Maori whakawahine, the Cook Islands Maori akava'ine, and similar to the Hawaiian concept of mahu.
Fa'afafine are known for their hard work and dedication to the family, in the Samoan tradition of tautua. Ideas of the family in Samoa and Polynesia are markedly different from Western constructions, and include all the members of a sa, or communal family within the fa'amatai family systems.[4]
It is a mistake to attribute a Western interpretation to fa'afafine by mislabeling them as "gay," "homosexual," or "drag queens." In Samoa, people claim that there is no such thing as being "gay" or "homosexual."[1] Fa'afafine, as a third gender, have sexual relationships almost exclusively with men who do not identify as fa'afafine, and sometimes with women, but apparently not with other fa'afafine.[5] This third gender is so well-accepted in Samoan culture that most Samoans state that they have friendship relationships with at least one fa'afafine; it is, however, not totally accepted in other communities, such as some Catholic groups. Traditionally, fa'afafine follow the training of the women's daily work in an Aiga (Samoan family group).[1][6]
Being a fa'afafine is said to be thoroughly enjoyable by this group. Many would state that they "loved" engaging in feminine activities as children, such as playing with female peers, playing female characters during role play, dressing up in female clothes, and playing with female gender-typical toys. This is in contrast to women who stated that they merely "liked" engaging in those activities as children.[1] Some fa'afafine recall believing they were girls in childhood, but knew better as adults. In Samoa, there is very seldom ridicule or displeasure towards a biologically male child who states that they are a girl. For instance, one study showed only a minority of parents (20%) tried to stop their fa'afafine sons from engaging in feminine behavior. Being pushed into the male gender role is upsetting to many fa'afafine. A significant number stated that they "hated" masculine play, such as rough games and sports, even more than females did as children"
"The word fa'afafine includes the causative prefix fa'a–, meaning "in the manner of", and the word fafine, meaning "woman".[2] It is cognate with linguistically related words in other Polynesian languages, such as the Tongan fakafefine (also fakaleiti), the Maori whakawahine, the Cook Islands Maori akava'ine, and similar to the Hawaiian concept of mahu.
Fa'afafine are known for their hard work and dedication to the family, in the Samoan tradition of tautua. Ideas of the family in Samoa and Polynesia are markedly different from Western constructions, and include all the members of a sa, or communal family within the fa'amatai family systems.[4]
It is a mistake to attribute a Western interpretation to fa'afafine by mislabeling them as "gay," "homosexual," or "drag queens." In Samoa, people claim that there is no such thing as being "gay" or "homosexual."[1] Fa'afafine, as a third gender, have sexual relationships almost exclusively with men who do not identify as fa'afafine, and sometimes with women, but apparently not with other fa'afafine.[5] This third gender is so well-accepted in Samoan culture that most Samoans state that they have friendship relationships with at least one fa'afafine; it is, however, not totally accepted in other communities, such as some Catholic groups. Traditionally, fa'afafine follow the training of the women's daily work in an Aiga (Samoan family group).[1][6]
Being a fa'afafine is said to be thoroughly enjoyable by this group. Many would state that they "loved" engaging in feminine activities as children, such as playing with female peers, playing female characters during role play, dressing up in female clothes, and playing with female gender-typical toys. This is in contrast to women who stated that they merely "liked" engaging in those activities as children.[1] Some fa'afafine recall believing they were girls in childhood, but knew better as adults. In Samoa, there is very seldom ridicule or displeasure towards a biologically male child who states that they are a girl. For instance, one study showed only a minority of parents (20%) tried to stop their fa'afafine sons from engaging in feminine behavior. Being pushed into the male gender role is upsetting to many fa'afafine. A significant number stated that they "hated" masculine play, such as rough games and sports, even more than females did as children"
The problem with your logic is your expecting a populations of diverse cultures to be homogeneous as if they have been in the same culture since recorded times.
They are not.
Discrimination and segregation are one thing, privacy another.
Bathroom use is implied as private, there are privacy laws surrounding them. This law compromises privacy for some to allow inclusion for others.
If you wan to get people to get past gender bias do you think doing it in the bathroom is the best place?
is that how the Maori figured it out?
They are not.
Discrimination and segregation are one thing, privacy another.
Bathroom use is implied as private, there are privacy laws surrounding them. This law compromises privacy for some to allow inclusion for others.
If you wan to get people to get past gender bias do you think doing it in the bathroom is the best place?
is that how the Maori figured it out?
Genghis Kush
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I have no expectations.
only pointing out the root of the problem, which is failure of society to accept the realities of human sexuality.
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Multiculturalism is not harmless.
only pointing out the root of the problem, which is failure of society to accept the realities of human sexuality.
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Multiculturalism is not harmless.
