Huh.if I was a pervert I could just go in the women's locker room and watch women undress if I say I'm transgender? Yep were really moving forward as a society.not
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De Blasio:". . . everyone should feel safe"
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Principante 8
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Lol, yes I'm a black sheep... Not like most. Having insecurities that lead people to church is also quite natural.. I'm not saying any one way is correct or not, just that everyone should have a say. Nobody is truly righteous, only self righteous.. Why even have male/female restrooms if sexuality or gender doesn't matter ? Bruce Jenner is one great example because he still prefers women sexually and always has. Don't worry about the fapping sound coming from the stall next to your daughter.. The real problem though in my opinion, isn't the trans people violating women, but the weirdos that will use the loophole to enter the ladies room.
Genghis Kush
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People are so prudish about the naked body.
why is ok to see naked people of the same sex but not the other.
because of the closeted gay guys who created christianity.
it would be better if bathrooms and changing rooms where unisex.
than this would not be an issue.
Women go to the bathroom in stalls, there is nothing to see.
Would you keep your daughter from going to the beach?
certainly there is much more to see there than a bathroom
why is ok to see naked people of the same sex but not the other.
because of the closeted gay guys who created christianity.
it would be better if bathrooms and changing rooms where unisex.
than this would not be an issue.
Women go to the bathroom in stalls, there is nothing to see.
Would you keep your daughter from going to the beach?
certainly there is much more to see there than a bathroom
I think you missed the point. On the same day it is no longer a crime to piss or shit on the streets of NYC, this progressive comes out and declares that he is putting our children at risk. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you of what is right....rather, in a few weeks or months...come back to this thread and post the horror that has just been unleashed on women....and their rights.
Principante 8
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I grew up on the beach in Orange county, California. Bikinis are getting smaller every year which is great unless you're a parent of a teen 
Interesting enough, at these same beaches, girls go to bathrooms in pairs and children are escorted by parents who wait outside for them to finish. There are weirdos out in the world creeping at all times. Few and far between but lurking..
Interesting enough, at these same beaches, girls go to bathrooms in pairs and children are escorted by parents who wait outside for them to finish. There are weirdos out in the world creeping at all times. Few and far between but lurking..Principante 8
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Also Genghis, since you mention natural variation, what about pedophiles ? The science you love so much has pointed to pedophilia as being nothing more than sexual preference, meaning that it's not 'weirdos' looking for easy targets or to corrupt peoples minds, but just that they are born having a natural attraction to prepubescent children, as opposed to most adults being attracted to other adults or pubescent teens. In general who or what humans are attracted to is beyond our control. Should we also as a society make pedos lives more comfortable since their condition is natural, or should we as a society be protective of the children ? There are way more pedos than transgender and they also have hurt feelings every day since they are different than most people. That's really all this is about is peoples feelings getting hurt. Boohoo cry me a river. I've been persecuted more than most trans or gays because I've been in the cannabis industry for 20+years since I was 16. According to most of society, drug dealers are losers that will never amount to anything. Also I've been thrown in jail for it. No trans going to jail in US for no reason. I'm the nigger, the faggot, the trans, the black sheep.. A lot of us on this site are.. I'm an idealist but I like to add a dose of realism to the mix every now and again.
Genghis Kush
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You sound scared not idealistic.
Do you want to wear a dress but cant face it in yourself?
Transgender is about masculine and feminine, its not about sexuality, you are confusing the two.
but it doesn't matter because homosexuality is not related to pedophilia or preying on children.
This thread was about trans people using public bathrooms, which I see as harmless.
"but what about the children?"
is the same shit they are selling people about weed legalization, I don't buy it.
Do you want to wear a dress but cant face it in yourself?
Transgender is about masculine and feminine, its not about sexuality, you are confusing the two.
but it doesn't matter because homosexuality is not related to pedophilia or preying on children.
This thread was about trans people using public bathrooms, which I see as harmless.
"but what about the children?"
is the same shit they are selling people about weed legalization, I don't buy it.
trans people using public bathrooms may or may not be 'harmless' but the can of worms waiting to be opened is anything but harmless.
Genghis Kush
Active member
the can of worms waiting to be opened..."
same thing the weed prohibitionists are saying
same thing the weed prohibitionists are saying
..... that's simplistic, weed doesn't lead to rape and violence against women.
Genghis Kush
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..... that's simplistic, weed doesn't lead to rape and violence against women.
how does transgender relate to rape and violence against women?
you seem confused
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sourpuss
Social brainwashing. If men and women aren't supposed to use the same washroom then yall should put in men's and women's washrooms at your house.... cause it's so wrong lol...
Genghis Kush
Active member
... and you don't get it!
explain
I guess I am old fashioned to think some women will be marginalized by men taking advantage of this law.
I support transgender rights, including on issue of having access to toilet facilities.
I do think that in the rush to become PC and accommodate others that some of these laws are extending right to some while compromising the right of others and that in particular bothers me. Why? because I think we are evolved enough to find ways to extend rights to some without compromising others. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wouldn't doubt heroin users take advantage of the bathrooms with more stalls (womens).
I support transgender rights, including on issue of having access to toilet facilities.
I do think that in the rush to become PC and accommodate others that some of these laws are extending right to some while compromising the right of others and that in particular bothers me. Why? because I think we are evolved enough to find ways to extend rights to some without compromising others. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wouldn't doubt heroin users take advantage of the bathrooms with more stalls (womens).
The cartoon from ComicallyIncorrect.com in post #1 sez it all!
Imma gonna just sit back and watch the show unfold....
...... from a distance!
I wonder what 'The Donald' is going to have to say about this situation???
Imma gonna just sit back and watch the show unfold....
...... from a distance!
I wonder what 'The Donald' is going to have to say about this situation???
Genghis Kush
Active member
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katherine-ripley/bathrooms-segregated-_b_8524374.html
"You may have heard about how voters in Houston recently rejected the so-called "bathroom ordinance," a broad equal rights ordinance which would have prohibited discrimination based on race, sex, sexual orientation and gender identity, among a host of other attributes, and in fact made no explicit mention of public restrooms.
Despite this complete lack of bathroom language, opponents of the law dubbed it the "bathroom ordinance" and ran advertisements depicting a man preying on a young girl in a women's restroom. The opponents did such a good job of twisting and smearing the law that the voters in Houston rejected it by a wide margin.
What does it say that trans-phobic people are focusing on bathrooms, and hiding under the guise of protecting women's safety, in order to score their victories against trans rights? Well, they're probably using this strategy because--at least in this case--it's working.
Voters in a liberal city rejected an equal rights protection law, because trans-phobic bigots managed to convince an awful lot of people that there is danger in allowing someone with the "wrong" genitals into a restroom.
In order set this matter straight, and convince people that this "danger" is a complete farce, we first have to answer this question: What's the purpose of separating men's and women's bathrooms in the first place?
It can't be to prevent men from seeing women's genitals and prevent women from seeing men's genitals. Nobody is looking at other people's private parts when they use a public restroom. It can't be to protect women from male predators, because let's be real--if a predator is after you to hurt you, he isn't going to be stopped by an un-locked door with an amorphous figure in a triangle dress stamped on the front of it. The only protection a woman might get by hiding in a women's restroom is the possible presence of other women, who could serve as witnesses and might deter a predator. This protection could be afforded by any quiet, well-lit public location.
So when we rule out the two above reasons--the only two explanations that might make sense, but fall apart upon close examination--we are left with one alternative: The sole purpose of separating men's and women's bathrooms is to preserve a sense of social order. It's similar to the reason we separate our sock drawer from our underwear drawer. Each thing has its assigned place, and that makes us feel better.
So if the only purpose of having sex-segregated bathrooms is to preserve social order, the best way to have those facilities continue to serve that purpose is to let transgender people use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender. A trans man who has the complete physical appearance of a man is not going to ring any alarm bells when he walks into a men's restroom. The social order will not be disrupted. If he walks into a women's restroom, however, the women in the restroom are going to wonder why he's in there, and perhaps feel uncomfortable.
Our desperate need to preserve social order by separating bathrooms, though, is going to have to be done away with soon. The Houston Chronicle points out that trans women often have a harder time using their preferred restroom than trans men, because trans women's features, such as their height and build, more easily give away the fact that their gender identity doesn't match their sex. Their bodies disrupt the male-female binary that cis people take such comfort in. Trans women are more likely to experience harassment and violence when using a women's restroom.
We also haven't talked about gender-nonconforming people, who feel as though they don't fit into the category of "man" or "woman." Which restroom are they supposed to use in order to protect our precious social order?
I recently went to a nightclub where the bathrooms were not sex-segregated. There was just one multi-stalled bathroom that did not even have a door on it--only an open entry-way. Men and women formed a line starting at this entryway and waited for the next stall to open. Nobody looked uncomfortable.
Many establishments have already figured out that having integrated restrooms is beneficial for everyone. I see more and more "family bathrooms," which are good for parents who have to take their young children of the opposite gender to the bathroom with them. Whenever there is a family bathroom option, I almost always use it, because the line is almost always shorter.
And I can't even tell you how many times one of my girlfriends or I have gone into the men's bathroom when the women's had a huge line and the men's had none. And guess what happened? Nothing.
As human beings, we like to categorize everything. It makes us feel comfortable. But the reality is that when you start putting your socks and your underwear into the same drawer, the dresser doesn't fall apart. You can still find what you're looking for. Everything is fine. And pretty soon you'll forget that you ever felt like you needed to separate them.
Time and time again we have rearranged the make-up of our physical world, when the people in power have finally realized that the current arrangement is oppressive to one or more groups without power. We integrated our schools and (hey!) our bathrooms between races. We have changed our sidewalks and our buildings to allow access to people with disabilities. We need to now redesign the space we live in so that it no longer privileges cis-gendered bodies. Because preserving our petty, socially constructed idea of comfort is not worth compromising other people's safety, and humanity.
We are all human. It's time to start acting like it"
"You may have heard about how voters in Houston recently rejected the so-called "bathroom ordinance," a broad equal rights ordinance which would have prohibited discrimination based on race, sex, sexual orientation and gender identity, among a host of other attributes, and in fact made no explicit mention of public restrooms.
Despite this complete lack of bathroom language, opponents of the law dubbed it the "bathroom ordinance" and ran advertisements depicting a man preying on a young girl in a women's restroom. The opponents did such a good job of twisting and smearing the law that the voters in Houston rejected it by a wide margin.
What does it say that trans-phobic people are focusing on bathrooms, and hiding under the guise of protecting women's safety, in order to score their victories against trans rights? Well, they're probably using this strategy because--at least in this case--it's working.
Voters in a liberal city rejected an equal rights protection law, because trans-phobic bigots managed to convince an awful lot of people that there is danger in allowing someone with the "wrong" genitals into a restroom.
In order set this matter straight, and convince people that this "danger" is a complete farce, we first have to answer this question: What's the purpose of separating men's and women's bathrooms in the first place?
It can't be to prevent men from seeing women's genitals and prevent women from seeing men's genitals. Nobody is looking at other people's private parts when they use a public restroom. It can't be to protect women from male predators, because let's be real--if a predator is after you to hurt you, he isn't going to be stopped by an un-locked door with an amorphous figure in a triangle dress stamped on the front of it. The only protection a woman might get by hiding in a women's restroom is the possible presence of other women, who could serve as witnesses and might deter a predator. This protection could be afforded by any quiet, well-lit public location.
So when we rule out the two above reasons--the only two explanations that might make sense, but fall apart upon close examination--we are left with one alternative: The sole purpose of separating men's and women's bathrooms is to preserve a sense of social order. It's similar to the reason we separate our sock drawer from our underwear drawer. Each thing has its assigned place, and that makes us feel better.
So if the only purpose of having sex-segregated bathrooms is to preserve social order, the best way to have those facilities continue to serve that purpose is to let transgender people use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender. A trans man who has the complete physical appearance of a man is not going to ring any alarm bells when he walks into a men's restroom. The social order will not be disrupted. If he walks into a women's restroom, however, the women in the restroom are going to wonder why he's in there, and perhaps feel uncomfortable.
Our desperate need to preserve social order by separating bathrooms, though, is going to have to be done away with soon. The Houston Chronicle points out that trans women often have a harder time using their preferred restroom than trans men, because trans women's features, such as their height and build, more easily give away the fact that their gender identity doesn't match their sex. Their bodies disrupt the male-female binary that cis people take such comfort in. Trans women are more likely to experience harassment and violence when using a women's restroom.
We also haven't talked about gender-nonconforming people, who feel as though they don't fit into the category of "man" or "woman." Which restroom are they supposed to use in order to protect our precious social order?
I recently went to a nightclub where the bathrooms were not sex-segregated. There was just one multi-stalled bathroom that did not even have a door on it--only an open entry-way. Men and women formed a line starting at this entryway and waited for the next stall to open. Nobody looked uncomfortable.
Many establishments have already figured out that having integrated restrooms is beneficial for everyone. I see more and more "family bathrooms," which are good for parents who have to take their young children of the opposite gender to the bathroom with them. Whenever there is a family bathroom option, I almost always use it, because the line is almost always shorter.
And I can't even tell you how many times one of my girlfriends or I have gone into the men's bathroom when the women's had a huge line and the men's had none. And guess what happened? Nothing.
As human beings, we like to categorize everything. It makes us feel comfortable. But the reality is that when you start putting your socks and your underwear into the same drawer, the dresser doesn't fall apart. You can still find what you're looking for. Everything is fine. And pretty soon you'll forget that you ever felt like you needed to separate them.
Time and time again we have rearranged the make-up of our physical world, when the people in power have finally realized that the current arrangement is oppressive to one or more groups without power. We integrated our schools and (hey!) our bathrooms between races. We have changed our sidewalks and our buildings to allow access to people with disabilities. We need to now redesign the space we live in so that it no longer privileges cis-gendered bodies. Because preserving our petty, socially constructed idea of comfort is not worth compromising other people's safety, and humanity.
We are all human. It's time to start acting like it"
^^ Thanks for this rationalization! I feel sooo much better now!
Not many folks commit crimes when lots of people are around watching.
Not many folks commit crimes when lots of people are around watching.
Genghis Kush
Active member
you are afraid and I upset you.
sorry.
I wish you the best
sorry.
I wish you the best
Urinals are used because they conserve space and water so moving to all stall bathrooms increases environmental footprint.
They make female urinals so maybe we should take money from the schools and healthcare so we can come up with a unisex toilet system to preserve the dignity for those who want to live in a society of a different design.
Then everyone can pee together in the open, fuck anyone who wants privacy, their desire for privacy has to be a completely controllable psychological state, where in gender assignment and the desire to change it is confused genetics beyond a persons control.
It is that cut and dry right?
They make female urinals so maybe we should take money from the schools and healthcare so we can come up with a unisex toilet system to preserve the dignity for those who want to live in a society of a different design.
Then everyone can pee together in the open, fuck anyone who wants privacy, their desire for privacy has to be a completely controllable psychological state, where in gender assignment and the desire to change it is confused genetics beyond a persons control.
It is that cut and dry right?
