Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion

[CosmicCharlie]

Predictable for passing on whatever trait(s) you're breeding for.

A male would be considered true breeding when it reliably passes that (those) trait(s) when bred to different females from different strains.

From what I've gathered true breeding males are hard to come by and are very prized.

 

[MJPassion]

Predictable for passing on whatever trait(s) you're breeding for.

A male would be considered true breeding when it reliably passes that (those) trait(s) when bred to different females from different strains.

From what I've gathered true breeding males are hard to come by and are very prized.

Nobody, not even Sam the Skunkman, has found this male!

Once somebody does find this male, they will corner the cannabis seed market with perfect crosses that are predictable to a T.

Finding this male is a pipe dream!

Reading your comment makes me wonder about your understanding of genetic inheritance.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

So you pay $100-$150 for a pack of seeds. You get a really nice plant (maybe 2-3) that reaches 6-8 feet and you're happy.

Now, you separate the males (say you get 2-3), you pollinate a lower branch of 1 or 2 ladies.

Now you have 200-300 seeds. Not only that, you get the joy of more phenotype variation, giving you more choices to select from.

How happy are you now?

This is true. Or you could let that pollen loose by mistake and make 36000 seeds like I did.

 

[igrowone]

Nobody, not even Sam the Skunkman, has found this male!

Once somebody does find this male, they will corner the cannabis seed market with perfect crosses that are predictable to a T.

Finding this male is a pipe dream!

Reading your comment makes me wonder about your understanding of genetic inheritance.

to be fair, there have been claims about special males
dj short comes to mind who supposedly had a very special male(or 2)
it's a claim that's out there

 

[CosmicCharlie]

My understanding of genetic inheritance isn't that good.

I was trying to answer Elmer Bud's questions, guess I should have quoted him.

Like Igrowone I've read about DJ and perhaps other breeders that have "special" males that they consider true breeding.

From what I've noticed that is very rare if it exists at all. True breeding females are more common.

 

[Badfishy1]

This is true. Or you could let that pollen loose by mistake and make 36000 seeds like I did.

36k seeds... wow...

 

[bigtacofarmer]

That was based on weighing 1000 and multiplying. But it was also just the ones i saved while trimming. I would guess there were several thousand more other people found.

 

[Badfishy1]

That was based on weighing 1000 and multiplying. But it was also just the ones i saved while trimming. I would guess there were several thousand more other people found.

Nice cross?

 

[resin_lung]

That was based on weighing 1000 and multiplying. But it was also just the ones i saved while trimming. I would guess there were several thousand more other people found.

Haha reminds me of when I was just starting and accidentally left a male in a patch behind Hansen dam. I thought I was gonna be rich! The plants weighed more than I ever imagined they could!haha

I did what I could to remove as many seeds as possible but yeah..... I had a lot of explaining to do.haha

I got this one call back and she showed me a bag that had like 24 grams of seeds in it and I had sold her an ounce!hahaha I'm sure I weighed them a tad light back then too!

I WAS YOUNG GOD DAMN IT!haha

 

[Betterhaff]

Using the term “true breeding” males or females is probably a big stretch with cannabis. A better way to look at it is plants that are consistently able to pass their desired traits when used in a cross.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Nice cross?

The original plan was to use 3 nevils haze x Oaxaca and pollinate my favorite og, og x chem (that I made last try) and skunk haze. I knew a little pollen would probably get loose. I got the few hundred seeds I hoped for. And I also got quite a few from a few other og x chem d phenos, and most of 2 lights worth of longs peak blue is where I really got alot of seeds.

I have seen a few samples of the longs peak grown geurilla style outdoors and all have been nice smoke. I am currently vegging a bunch of each indoors and if I like the results I plan to run only seeds for a few crops and finds some good keepers.

Also. The one cross I most intended (nho x og chem) has terrible germination rates even though the seeds look great, luckily I have seeds of her sister phenos that I did not mean to make. The longs peak crosses are so far 100%.

 

[Badfishy1]

The original plan was to use 3 nevils haze x Oaxaca and pollinate my favorite og, og x chem (that I made last try) and skunk haze. I knew a little pollen would probably get loose. I got the few hundred seeds I hoped for. And I also got quite a few from a few other og x chem d phenos, and most of 2 lights worth of longs peak blue is where I really got alot of seeds.

I have seen a few samples of the longs peak grown geurilla style outdoors and all have been nice smoke. I am currently vegging a bunch of each indoors and if I like the results I plan to run only seeds for a few crops and finds some good keepers.

Also. The one cross I most intended (nho x og chem) has terrible germination rates even though the seeds look great, luckily I have seeds of her sister phenos that I did not mean to make. The longs peak crosses are so far 100%.

Good luck w bangers m8

 

[MJPassion]

to be fair, there have been claims about special males
dj short comes to mind who supposedly had a very special male(or 2)
it's a claim that's out there

My understanding of genetic inheritance isn't that good.

I was trying to answer Elmer Bud's questions, guess I should have quoted him.

Like Igrowone I've read about DJ and perhaps other breeders that have "special" males that they consider true breeding.

From what I've noticed that is very rare if it exists at all. True breeding females are more common.

DJ Short DID have special males but none of them have ever been what you are describing.
Just because they're called "special" really has nothing to do with their homozygozity.

True breeding females...
True breeding males...
These 2 lines mean squat without the statement of what they are true breeding for! Qualifiers, if you will.

DJ did a lot of work & found lots of special males that were true breeding for blueberry aromas & variable in lots of other characteristics.

Are ya pickin up what I'm puttin down?
Elmer's pretty good at this game to.

 

[Yard dog]

Nobody, not even Sam the Skunkman, has found this male!

Once somebody does find this male, they will corner the cannabis seed market with perfect crosses that are predictable to a T.

Finding this male is a pipe dream!

Reading your comment makes me wonder about your understanding of genetic inheritance.

So the same rules apply to females then? you can find males that carry traits you know will be passed just like you do with females.
Betterhaff has it for me...

 

[Yard dog]

Predictable for passing on whatever trait(s) you're breeding for.

A male would be considered true breeding when it reliably passes that (those) trait(s) when bred to different females from different strains.

From what I've gathered true breeding males are hard to come by and are very prized.

is it no surprise that males are harder to find more than females? we desire females...

 

[Yard dog]

G `day DW

Predictable for what , when bred with what ?
Yes it may combine with Female X from strain Y with fairly predictable results .

Mate it with a different strain is it still predictable ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Well that would depend on the said plants, let's call one A and one B, A is the male and is dominant and homozygous for a few traits, let's call it Deep chunk, B is female and a chosen clone (let's presume it hasn't been selfed and we have no clue other than it's a good plant)..
Now the 2 plants are crossed and we have an F1 population, this F1 population will show the dominant traits of Plant A and will give a homogeneous group.
So we know it is a good choice for a mate to give an F1 population or do you think not?

 

[resin_lung]

Well that would depend on the said plants, let's call one A and one B, A is the male and is dominant and homozygous for a few traits, let's call it Deep chunk, B is female and a chosen clone (let's presume it hasn't been selfed and we have no clue other than it's a good plant)..
Now the 2 plants are crossed and we have an F1 population, this F1 population will show the dominant traits of Plant A and will give a homogeneous group.
So we know it is a good choice for a mate to give an F1 population or do you think not?

It's the "will give" that I personally have an issue with.

If your knowing nothing of the female besides it being a killer plant includes you not knowing that it's NOT dominate for those exact same traits than nothing is certain.

I gotta figure out how to write in a less confusing manner!

What if the female you know nothing about is dominate for the same traits?

two dominates equal what?

I think you may find what you think to be true but you can't be certain unless and until you know.

That the female isn't dominate for those same traits that is.haha

I believe it's a case by case deal.

Interested in feedback.

 

[Yard dog]

It's the "will give" that I personally have an issue with.

If your knowing nothing of the female besides it being a killer plant includes you not knowing that it's NOT dominate for those exact same traits than nothing is certain.

I gotta figure out how to write in a less confusing manner!

What if the female you know nothing about is dominate for the same traits? then you get more of that trait... ie it will dominate in that population....

two dominates equal what? one may be more dominate than the other in some cases but if they are the same (unlikely!!) then this dominant trait or traits will dominate!! (ie if the traits are different AA and BB etc see below, AA x AA gives more AA ie a selfed homozygous plant)

I think you may find what you think to be true but you can't be certain unless and until you know.

That the female isn't dominate for those same traits that is.haha

I believe it's a case by case deal.

Interested in feedback.

ie: Plant A = AA, Plant B = BB you're only getting one phenotype (and genotype)...... AABB, pretty sure that would make it a homogeneous group!!
(More likely to be like AA x Bb giving 1 phenotype but 2 genotypes)

(all above is in the most simplistic terms ie one trait etc)

 

[MJPassion]

So the same rules apply to females then? you can find males that carry traits you know will be passed just like you do with females.
Betterhaff has it for me...

YES
The difference being the number of males to females being grown to completion & evaluating their offspring (grown to completion).

Your use of thr term phenotype is incorrect also. Phenotype cannot be determined by looking at genetic sequences alone.

(1)What if the female you know nothing about is dominate for the same traits?

(2)two dominates equal what?

(1)The female with the same traits as dominate will show you in her offspring whether she is Homozygous or not when she is mated to a male that IS homozygous for the same trait.
If she is Homozygous the progeny will be also & that trait will breed true through her offspring.
If she is heterozygous, roughly 25% of her offspring will show variable for that particular trait.

(2)Two doms=what?
If both male & female are homo for the dominate trait, only one can dominate the other.
They don't double up as suggested above.
Each egg or sperm/pollen grain contain half of the genetic code of it's mother/father. DNA is split like a zipper & the mother donates half the genes & the father donates half of the genetic sequence.

There are quite a few folks that can explain this better than me so I hope this makes some sens(i).

Also...
This is the super simple version...
Bring allels & epigenetics into the equation & we step into another relm.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

YES
The difference being the number of males to females being grown to completion & evaluating their offspring (grown to completion).

Your use of thr term phenotype is incorrect also. Phenotype cannot be determined by looking at genetic sequences alone.



(1)The female with the same traits as dominate will show you in her offspring whether she is Homozygous or not when she is mated to a male that IS homozygous for the same trait.
If she is Homozygous the progeny will be also & that trait will breed true through her offspring.
If she is heterozygous, roughly 25% of her offspring will show variable for that particular trait.

(2)Two doms=what?
If both male & female are homo for the dominate trait, only one can dominate the other.
They don't double up as suggested above.
Each egg or sperm/pollen grain contain half of the genetic code of it's mother/father. DNA is split like a zipper & the mother donates half the genes & the father donates half of the genetic sequence.

There are quite a few folks that can explain this better than me so I hope this makes some sens(i).

Also...
This is the super simple version...
Bring allels & epigenetics into the equation & we step into another relm.

Then would a strain that has been breed for more generations be more likely to have traits that dominate the same dominate traits on a plant breed for less generations? Or at that point are other factors deciding which plant genes prevail?