Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion

[Limeygreen]

Shantibaba as well.

 

[MJPassion]

Thats from dj shorts book Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis, key word in what i said was "read" and you interpreted "listening to the Rev @ Skunk Mag." Go ahead and scrutinize and argue with him about it all you want.

I've got that book.
Dont remember reading that & not saying DJ didn't say that but as I said earlier...
There's zero science to back the claim!

Just like there's zero science backing any claims of Indica/sativa making better mother/father plants.
It's bro science! Nothing more.

 

[mushroombrew]

I wonder if DJ was referring to a specific strain? As I have not heard or read(haha) male vs female differences regarding terpene profiles.

 

[Dankwolf]

How is she doing with all the smoke?

She ( cotton candy) is doing vary well considering her genetic make up . i am guessing a late october finish at 45 north . the smoje added a lot of stretch and it saved my ass ( plants were to bushy). My affie is also doing great . its a vary dense strain and the smoke bloked the sun and added co2 witch helped stretch her and inprove bag appeal.

I have been vary busy with this fucked up weather .i am in the construction trades . but i will update / answer questions in more detail soon as i can .

Hope you find a true male in your quest
. i am not big on reversing unless absolutely necessary. I like ypyr directionn keep me updated .

I am doing my part and i am so happy to see the effort from alll to bring a skunky bitch back to the lime light

 

[Dankwolf]

I wonder if DJ was referring to a specific strain? As I have not heard or read(haha) male vs female differences regarding terpene profiles.

The male is more importan the the female . breeders are know for there male genetics. So is t trian dependent ??? . are clone only females prevalent???. Are female / femanized/ s1 seed prevalant ???. Whats a true breeding male worth ???. The male is the source no dought and i dont need a approved /backed study to prove it . the fact there is no data is enough for me ( i know buisness/ my government) . prof is in the pudding not the recipe on the back .

 

[mushroombrew]

I know about the importance of males as far as passing on traits. I have culled females and kept only males many times.

 

[Dankwolf]

How is she doing with all the smoke?

The girls .



Experimental light dep 2.1.1

 

[resin_lung]

I too have read that the male is most important but I've also read that the way terps are inherited makes it not so cut and dry. I believe it was a peer reviewed paper but if I have to produce a link I'm gonna have to change it from science paper to some stoner website because I can't spend the time looking for it.haha I did read that though. With that said I understand that scientific papers aren't the word of God(if your into that kind of thing).lol

Like the inheritance of all things happens at different rates? and using different mechanisms'n shit and terps are like one of the hardest figure out. Especially when looking to breed a reliable seed line as apposed to pheno hunting for a single clone like you would with strawberry.

I also never understood how a plant could pass a certain trait regardless of what female it's mated to? Other than maybe a males ability to not affect a females terps. Wouldnt any gene meet its match as far as dominance? Not looking to be spoon fed the answers to these questions. Just some thoughts swirling in jar that's been on the shelf for a while so don't feel the need to answer. Unless you want! Do as you wish is what I always say!haha

I heard the bodhi interview on the pot cast and he was saying how he's been able to get skunky plants but the profile would change after drying. Something that's gotta be frustrating as all hell.

@Dankwolf- curious if you've already found the proof in your pudding or if your pudding is where you expect to find the proof.

 

[Dankwolf]

I too have read that the male is most important but I've also read that the way terps are inherited makes it not so cut and dry. I believe it was a peer reviewed paper but if I have to produce a link I'm gonna have to change it from science paper to some stoner website because I can't spend the time looking for it.haha I did read that though. With that said I understand that scientific papers aren't the word of God(if your into that kind of thing).lol

Like the inheritance of all things happens at different rates? and using different mechanisms'n shit and terps are like one of the hardest figure out. Especially when looking to breed a reliable seed line as apposed to pheno hunting for a single clone like you would with strawberry.

I also never understood how a plant could pass a certain trait regardless of what female it's mated to? Other than maybe a males ability to not affect a females terps. Wouldnt any gene meet its match as far as dominance? Not looking to be spoon fed the answers to these questions. Just some thoughts swirling in jar that's been on the shelf for a while so don't feel the need to answer. Unless you want! Do as you wish is what I always say!haha

I heard the bodhi interview on the pot cast and he was saying how he's been able to get skunky plants but the profile would change after drying. Something that's gotta be frustrating as all hell.

@Dankwolf- curious if you've already found the proof in your pudding or if your pudding is where you expect to find the proof.

Females are easy to select /breed . a male needs to be tested for reliable offspring for obvious reasons. Yes i had a true breeding male years ago . problem is not all terps mix like one would think . if your cuious about selecting a male look into perfume industry they have terpaniod maping that can help explains mells and how they mix and or dominate. A male should be chosen for its domanting atrabutes and or lack of .

 

[Dankwolf]

Temperature when drying has alot to due with identifiable terps . also moisture level when product is baged has alot to due with loss of terps reaulting in a change in terp profile. For instance grab a cured 8th put in a seald bag in a hot car for a few days then open bag and smell the terp profile . you will be vary surprised . also put a identical bag in your fridge compare terp profile difference.

You can manipulate the terp profile many directions . temperature,light, pressure and moisture effect terps more then the genetics of the strian. terps can degrade under certain situation creating totally different terp profiles not to mention some terps can not be brought out unless certain messuers are taken .

The perfume industry has known this for years. Terps are vary complex but with knowledge it can be manipulated to a desiered profile given the biulding block are there .

 

[resin_lung]

Females are easy to select /breed . a male needs to be tested for reliable offspring for obvious reasons. Yes i had a true breeding male years ago . problem is not all terps mix like one would think . if your cuious about selecting a male look into perfume industry they have terpaniod maping that can help explains mells and how they mix and or dominate. A male should be chosen for its domanting atrabutes and or lack of .

I'll check it out.

Just a little clarification, when you say you had a true breeding male years ago, is that to a single female or it would dominate the smell of any female. Basically, was it true breeding in that one situation or any? After I typed it I realized it would have to be at least more than once to even begin to think that. So to how many females did you find that it reliably dominated the terp profile? That's prolly a better a question.

About them mixing like one would think, it wasn't long ago that I thought that mixing flavors and aromas was as easy as red and white make pink. Hit pink with red for a little darker color or white for a more pale. but it didn't take to much research to discover that wasn't the case.

Chimera summed it up real good (can't wait to find out I didn't understand what he was saying after all. Haha) in a reply to a post I made in his forum about his cookie s1's. I felt sooooo ignorant I hit the books pretty hard. It eventually got my brain all scrambled as.... I just don't have the fkn brain for it!haha but I THINK I understood that "red" is made up of different ratios of terps that are controlled by different genes and so is "white" and each gene will be inherited differently. So it won't necessarily make pink.

Luck is a crazy thing though.

I figured intentionally trying to create something from two different things is like trying to win the lotto. Not saying I'm right, just that that's where I left it.

Thanks for the reply. I'll be scoping the link.

 

[resin_lung]

Temperature when drying has alot to due with identifiable terps . also moisture level when product is baged has alot to due with loss of terps reaulting in a change in terp profile. For instance grab a cured 8th put in a seald bag in a hot car for a few days then open bag and smell the terp profile . you will be vary surprised . also put a identical bag in your fridge compare terp profile difference.

You can manipulate the terp profile many directions . temperature,light, pressure and moisture effect terps more then the genetics of the strian. terps can degrade under certain situation creating totally different terp profiles not to mention some terps can not be brought out unless certain messuers are taken .

The perfume industry has known this for years. Terps are vary complex but with knowledge it can be manipulated to a desiered profile given the biulding block are there .

I'm pretty sure bodhi knows about the curing part of your post. Actually not sure but I GOTTA imagine he does. I'm gonna re-listen to it manana maybe as I got more work to do in the yard. I forget exactly what he said was happening but I'll get back to ya.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I wonder what type all female seeds have as they had no father just two mothers and one was treated with STS to express male pollen that is only XX so only female seeds when crossed to a normal XX female.

I guess no intensity as no males were used? BTW I have never seen this to be true, ever. For example if you transform a male to a female expression, (the genes are still XY) each different plant has different terpene intensity dependent on many factors besides the sex expression or actual sex.

According to those who believe this is it the male Y that has this or is it also found in a female transformed to male expression?

I have found that the progeny of a male and female plant will be expressing both parents Cannabinoid and terpene profiles, often I can see both parents in an analysis of the progeny, both Cannabinoids and terpenes, also the amounts and size of the trichome heads seem as important for terpene intensity. As well as the terpenes present in the profile.
-SamS

Originally Posted by Ibechillin View Post
From what ive read the intensity of a plants smell is a trait derived from the father and the type of smell typically from the mother.

Sounds like you've been listening to the Rev @ Skunk Mag.
That's the only place I've ever heard that line.

Personally, I am of the opinion that that is pure myth. I've yet to see any science to back the claim & the claim is at least 10 years old. Plenty of time to be tested but not yet done using pure scientific techniques & protocols.

 

[Dankwolf]

I'll check it out.

Just a little clarification, when you say you had a true breeding male years ago, is that to a single female or it would dominate the smell of any female. Basically, was it true breeding in that one situation or any? After I typed it I realized it would have to be at least more than once to even begin to think that. So to how many females did you find that it reliably dominated the terp profile? That's prolly a better a question.

About them mixing like one would think, it wasn't long ago that I thought that mixing flavors and aromas was as easy as red and white make pink. Hit pink with red for a little darker color or white for a more pale. but it didn't take to much research to discover that wasn't the case.

Chimera summed it up real good (can't wait to find out I didn't understand what he was saying after all. Haha) in a reply to a post I made in his forum about his cookie s1's. I felt sooooo ignorant I hit the books pretty hard. It eventually got my brain all scrambled as.... I just don't have the fkn brain for it!haha but I THINK I understood that "red" is made up of different ratios of terps that are controlled by different genes and so is "white" and each gene will be inherited differently. So it won't necessarily make pink.

Luck is a crazy thing though.

I figured intentionally trying to create something from two different things is like trying to win the lotto. Not saying I'm right, just that that's where I left it.

Thanks for the reply. I'll be scoping the link.

Exactly why a true breedng male is so important. White plus red can make pink but odds are it wont unless the right perporstions are present and known. a true breeding male has known /predictable offspring . there for you narrow down possabile gentic combinations/representations .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Finding a true breeding male or even a female is not easy.
All Cannabis is Heterozygous, and is an obligate outcrosser.
You can make a individual that is homozygous but it will have little vigor and the male is often functionally sterile, no pollen drop.
As for predictability try a landrace and pick a plant that is as close as possible to what you want.
I am ignoring dominance and recessive to make this easier.
But the real world has dominant and recessive genes that make up Cannabis traits.
That and many genes can be involved in the expression of single traits.

-SamS

Exactly why a true breedng male is so important. White plus red can make pink but odds are it wont unless the right perporstions are present and known. a true breeding male has known /predictable offspring . there for you narrow down possabile gentic combinations/representations .

 

[SilverHazer]

These guys specialize in selling seeds to you, the consumer.
Just remember that while your searching for germ plasm you plan on breeding with.

10-15 bucks a seed is pretty reasonable when it yields a 6 or 8 foot plant at the end of the season. I've been pretty happy with all the seeds I've ever bought. So much so that breeding strains has never made it on my bucket list.

 

[WelderDan]

10-15 bucks a seed is pretty reasonable when it yields a 6 or 8 foot plant at the end of the season. I've been pretty happy with all the seeds I've ever bought. So much so that breeding strains has never made it on my bucket list.

So you pay $100-$150 for a pack of seeds. You get a really nice plant (maybe 2-3) that reaches 6-8 feet and you're happy.

Now, you separate the males (say you get 2-3), you pollinate a lower branch of 1 or 2 ladies.

Now you have 200-300 seeds. Not only that, you get the joy of more phenotype variation, giving you more choices to select from.

How happy are you now?

 

[resin_lung]

10-15 bucks a seed is pretty reasonable when it yields a 6 or 8 foot plant at the end of the season. I've been pretty happy with all the seeds I've ever bought. So much so that breeding strains has never made it on my bucket list.

I see what your saying and agree that there is value in seeds. 10-15 bucks for any 6-8 foot plant IS a pretty good deal. I'm personally looking for it to be the best 6-8 foot plant I can get from a 10-15 buck seed.

I'm sure you are too.

What I believe MJPassion was saying is that the breeders description doesn't make it a killer plant. The description is there to get you to try the seeds. It may be kill. But their sale pitch isn't gonna be a factor.

I'm sure you know the current state of the seed industry.

It's good that you have been satisfied with all your seed purchases. Honestly, I am too. Even the ones that I kept for so long they went bad before I got to pop them.lol

Making seeds isn't for everybody. My grandpa always bought vegitable seeds.

You may be surprised if you ever do try it. It's addicting as all fuck.

 

[bestothebest]

Hey Sam, this whole thread would probably blow up if you started doing something with that old stash of yours... just sayin

 

[Elmer Bud]

Exactly why a true breedng male is so important. White plus red can make pink but odds are it wont unless the right perporstions are present and known. a true breeding male has known /predictable offspring . there for you narrow down possabile gentic combinations/representations .

G `day DW

Predictable for what , when bred with what ?
Yes it may combine with Female X from strain Y with fairly predictable results .

Mate it with a different strain is it still predictable ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .