i'll take "spreading the virus out of ignorance for $500, Alec..."
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Coronavirus.. outlook
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i'll take "spreading the virus out of ignorance for $500, Alec..."
Bobby Boucher
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M
moose eater
Medfinder
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National emergency stockpile of protective medical gear nearly empty: report
The national stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE) is nearly empty as federal officials scramble to acquire more essential items such as masks and gloves to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.
"The stockpile was designed to respond to a handful of cities. It was never built or designed to fight a 50-state pandemic," one official with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) told The Washington Post. "This is not only a U.S. government problem. The supply chain for PPE worldwide has broken down, and there is a lot of price gouging happening."
Hospitals across the country have been working to supply doctors and nurses responding to the coronavirus epidemic with proper protective gear, though news reports and social media postings have shown medical professionals wearing trash bags or ponchos over their regular attire. Hospital officials have also acknowledged difficulties in acquiring PPE.
"This crisis is only growing and it's essential that we not only have all the right equipment but that we come together to help and support one another," one spokesperson for Mount Sinai Health Services in New York
The national stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE) is nearly empty as federal officials scramble to acquire more essential items such as masks and gloves to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.
"The stockpile was designed to respond to a handful of cities. It was never built or designed to fight a 50-state pandemic," one official with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) told The Washington Post. "This is not only a U.S. government problem. The supply chain for PPE worldwide has broken down, and there is a lot of price gouging happening."
Hospitals across the country have been working to supply doctors and nurses responding to the coronavirus epidemic with proper protective gear, though news reports and social media postings have shown medical professionals wearing trash bags or ponchos over their regular attire. Hospital officials have also acknowledged difficulties in acquiring PPE.
"This crisis is only growing and it's essential that we not only have all the right equipment but that we come together to help and support one another," one spokesperson for Mount Sinai Health Services in New York
St. Phatty
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I am very scared of getting this thing and being dependent on a hospital.
I've been washing my hands when I get home from shopping, but also thinking about all the stuff I touch.
Keys. Sunglasses. American Express card. phone. Camera.
So I dedicated a 5 gallon bucket to really soapy water and dunk everything in there.
The next step is to soap wipe down the steering wheel and door handles.
This virus really is a bio-hazard.
The problem is it's a NOVEL virus, nobody has antibodies. So the first infection is a doozy.
Then the main effect on the population is, all the people that are seriously unhealthy, that might have died in 2021 or 2022, or made it another 5 years or 10 years, are all dying now. April 2020.
Of course it doesn't stop there, e.g. the Olympic swimmer that recently died from it. Young person.
I think of the virus particles as being like Dust, Dust with a few extra qualities. Since it's not alive, it can't be killed.
to destroy it I dare say a blow-torch would do the job, but I'm sticking with the Apple dawn dishwashing soap.
I wrestle with a fast and effective test being much good. If a person is very sick, yeah the test could steer the treatment. But if a person is asymptomatic and they test negative, OK now what? They still need to stay isolated to keep from getting sick. Even if their system was immune to the bug, which is why they aren't sick, how do you know that? Is there a test for a good immune system? Is that test as fast?
M
moose eater
We're wiping down all packages or mail we bring home, as well as groceries, etc.. I wear nitrile gloves and carry one of several Lysol cans with me (and a baggie of Lysol wipes in my inside pocket of my vest), spraying the gloves at/after each contact. The assumption being the virus can be on ANYTHING.
A friend in the SW US has hand-cleaner in his vehicle, and tosses his keys etc., into a bucket upon arriving home.
Johns-Hopkins says not to shake potentially contaminated clothing, bedding, etc., as it merely causes the virus to go airborne. I figure the Lysol spray for the clothes we're wearing is a possible answer when we enter the front entryway, though I loathe that shit floating in the air almost as much as I dislike Ozium.
I was going to wipe my debit card with a Lysol wipe the other day, then I intended to wrap the leading edge of it that I'd slide into the slot in my wallet it shares with my credit card. I stopped myself, recalling what the Lysol spray did to address labels, tape, and all sorts of stuff on the packages, as well as the disappearing of ink on receipts (thankfully AFTER the info had been gathered) and I stopped myself, wondering what effect the stuff might have on the digital strip and information there.
We're doing far better and being more conscientious than we were 10-14 days ago, but there's always going to be a weak link, at which point it becomes the luck of the draw.
Edit: picking up a UV light to wire into a box, to make a disinfecting area/container for masks, filters, gloves, small clothing items, etc. I figure by doing so I am leaving the PPE market for the medical folks, and going a bit lighter on my wallet, all at the same time.
St. Phatty
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UV light is good but it needs to be quantified, measured, etc.
one possibility is using mirrors to give yourself sort of like a solar oven, 4x or 8x more intense than normal sunlight.
Chris Martenson waded through the subject, suggested relying on heat, 65 to 75 C.
I wear a flight jacket when I go shopping, and that is just as likely to pick up virus particles as the outside of my gloves.
Then it sits there on the back of my office chair, I ignore where it's been, God forbid I touch it and, dare I say, Pick My Nose.
So maybe heavy soap water for keys & jackets, sunlight for phones and cameras, heat for whatever can stand 170 F.
It's not the Andromeda Strain. And it's not Ebola.
Anybody being as careful as you guys are is likely to get a tiny initial dose of the virus, which is very very important.
I think it's important to wear a mask and if possible eye protection when you're at the store.
I had a store person I've known for about 5 years, very socially smart and diplomatic, not the kind of person that sneezes in people's faces.
I was at the check-out stand and she was helping a new hire and apparently became overcame, maybe with allergies, and sneezed literally in my face. Came rocketing out of nowhere, normally she would have caught it - but something was different.
I went home and washed my forehead etc. with heavy liquid soap. I was wearing a mask. Sneezing is not a Covid trait, but she could easily be infectious.
Partially because the idiot hardware store has a "no masks" policy for employees, a nervous check-out person told me. In a county with a growing infection count, one of the last public places that hasn't been shut down.
Here are my personal thoughts tonite. Just me.
When I get worried, my body and brain go to shit. Some chemical gets released, and it is bad ju ju. There is only so much we can do, and worrying too much may be counter-productive for our vital self-immune system. Wearing a mask when inside the market did feel good.
I say do the obvious things, such as be ready for them shutting down more of the stores and telling folks to stay home for 2 weeks or more.
OK, but other than that nasty thought, I'm doing spring when I can, between floods. .
When I get worried, my body and brain go to shit. Some chemical gets released, and it is bad ju ju. There is only so much we can do, and worrying too much may be counter-productive for our vital self-immune system. Wearing a mask when inside the market did feel good.
I say do the obvious things, such as be ready for them shutting down more of the stores and telling folks to stay home for 2 weeks or more.
OK, but other than that nasty thought, I'm doing spring when I can, between floods. .
M
moose eater
I figure they ought to be giving 10% discounts to all customers who WEAR masks, an additional 2-5 % for those wearing nitrile gloves or safety goggles, and raises to employees who wear such gear.. This is prime social atmosphere for a seriously meaningful mutiny where employers with their heads too close to their sphincters are concerned... in my opinion...
M
moose eater
Yep. Stress above some levels is bad for the immune system. Some Zen reality is good.
Had a discussion via phone with a liquor store the other day when the Governor was addressing sheltering in place, and non-essential businesses closing.
I brought up the noteworthy population of serious alcoholics, and the medical risks of cold-turkey withdrawal for such persons, as it relates to some perhaps not seeing them as an 'essential business.'
Our initial perception of what is an essential business may need to be modified some times. Imagine LOTS of persons either ingesting unsuitable sources of alcohol, or going into DTs, or outright dying, as a result of alcohol withdrawal DURING a pandemic.
I'mback
Comfortably numb!
Ah! You mean folks who view the world through glass belly buttons.
thegreenace
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resurrecting plant "Kingdom"
TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
Back at it
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moose eater
There was an article in the paper(s) up here not too long ago, Tycho, about folks having exhumed well-preserved corpses in the permafrost in seeking answers/vaccine for the Spanish Flu.
My guess is if you search that, you'll find some 'hits.'
But yeah, some folks have had common sense for a long time, and many/some have not, regardless of generation, era, etc.
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TheForgotten
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I hope everyone is staying safe....
I hope everyone is staying safe....
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I hope everyone is staying safe....
Yes sir indeed. Hunkered down in the bunker is the place to be at this time.
Accordingly, I am also immersed in the virtual world of Real flight RC simulator online, where many an errant bogey has been splashed in vicious aerial combat dogfights, amid a protocol of general disorderly conduct that is being rigorously observed by all present.
Over and out.
C
Capra ibex
