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Coronavirus.. outlook

igrowone

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latest new case number
still below the peak from 3 days ago
tomorrow's number could tell the tale
 

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St. Phatty

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latest new case number
still below the peak from 3 days ago
tomorrow's number could tell the tale

the irregularity in the sort of smooth growth is, lumpiness in the data from testing.

most of the bio metrics associated with Covid19 grow exponentially until they basically run out of food - which is us, and our cats and dogs and maybe birds. And Pet Bats.

Hopefully there's none in my Jamaican Bat Guano, High in Phosphorus ?


Here is a doctor telling FOX news that chloroquine is basically useless and could be life threatening, if mixed with certain meds.... so there's that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yph4FqskDc


He or she is swimming upstream, in terms of data about usefulness.

The China developed the data out of sheer desperation.

Of course the Chinese doctor prescribed it, which affected the dosing. Plus they had to split up Malaria medicine a whole bunch of people, which kept the doses low.

I would add one detail - if you are thinking about taking it, take a 1/10 dose for starters, to see if your body does have a bad reaction.


The people that have overdosed were like my high school friend Glenn when I brought home an article in Playboy that said you could get high off of Nutmeg. He ate an entire jar of Nutmeg, with no apparent ill effects.
 

igrowone

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The people that have overdosed were like my high school friend Glenn when I brought home an article in Playboy that said you could get high off of Nutmeg. He ate an entire jar of Nutmeg, with no apparent ill effects.

hmm, i did something similar
i did get ill effects though, last time i tried that
 
M

moose eater

Here is a doctor telling FOX news that chloroquine is basically useless and could be life threatening, if mixed with certain meds.... so there's that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yph4FqskDc

A number of the articles I've read were fairly emphatic about differentiating between hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, emphasizing that hydroxychloroquine was the path to take, not the other.

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Did our grocery and household goods run this A.M., but due to a screw-up with the auto-deposit of a check, had to pick up a paper check, and the banks weren't open, so had to do another run, 20 miles, plus detours, back into town.

Upon the second run into town, the rural post office I use had not only the bills I was expecting, but some I didn't foresee them having for another 1/2 week or more, so that worked out; if I have to make an extra trip, getting as much done as possible is the ticket.
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Today marked the largest gain in a single day for tested & confirmed positives for COVID-19 in Alaska, and that's with the acknowledgement that if you get tested, you may have been preordained by God to be one of the chosen, as there have been many deserving souls who were told they couldn't get a test.

Anyway, in my increasingly curmudgeonly approach to humanity, and being less and less diplomatic in person, as compared to on-line.. ironically, as that seems opposite most folks, while I was checking out at a large, well known wholesale store, this fellow behind me, rather than staying in his spot, begins placing his groceries on the conveyor behind mine, and encroaching.

The clerk didn't catch it initially, and I made a squinty-eyed look toward him, and nodded toward him to the clerk, who finally noticed what he was doing, and asked him to move back, at which point he is now leaning up over my groceries, apparently trying to see where the divide is, which WOULDN'T have been an issue, had he stayed where the other attendant had told him to, 75 feet earlier. So now he's way off the mark where he's supposed to be, encroaching, hovering over my stuff, and about 3' from me.

I turned to him and stated rather brusquely through my P100, "3 ft. -ain't- 6 ft., and WE DON'T know each other."

He laughed.

I don't know if it was the typical nervous laugh folks can give when out of line, and trying to relieve tension, but it didn't sound like that. It sounded more like the type of laugh that indicated he was minimizing my very clearly stating my boundary, as in, Back the fuck off, dude.

I figure if someone wants to roll the dice on their own existence, that's up to them. But when they include me or mine in that equation, without our/my consent, that's an orange-flag-kinda' foul. if you're gonna' screw up my reality, then I might get a bit.... riled.

The clerk gave me no grief about marking my territory.

Once again, yet another town trip tells me I NEED to not go there, or jail might be in my future..
 
C

Capra ibex

I'm not sure.... just thought i would contribute the clip.

I haven't kept up with things, just don't need people taking things that are recklessly promoted.... if they can lethally mix with meds etc.
 
M

moose eater

I'm not sure.... just thought i would contribute the clip.

I haven't kept up with things, just don't need people taking things that are recklessly promoted.... if they can lethally mix with meds etc.

Definitely. More information is better.

One of the drawbacks of either, if I recall, was risk for some folks to the retina. For folks who already have compromised eye-sight, if this were to be THE drug of preference, imagine making a choice between risking eye-sight, and life. I' m guessing folks would choose life, and get a German Shepherd & a white cane (humor), but man, what a choice.

I should add, the loss of eye-sight was stated as a risk, but plenty of folks have taken it, including some folks here, and not suffered that outcome.
 

Medfinder

Chemon 91
Ive got....lotainum...jin yin hua... elderberry...ivermectin on the way...oregano oil..homepatic remedys...n95 masks..cloth masks..cannabis..and the 1611 kjv bible. Amen
 

Dr. Purpur

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Ive got....lotainum...jin yin hua... elderberry...ivermectin on the way...oregano oil..homepatic remedys...n95 masks..cloth masks..cannabis..and the 1611 kjv bible. Amen


Do a lot of research into mectins before ingesting any

Im pretty sure AVID has mectins in it
 

St. Phatty

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one of the best articles I've read on the subject.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

libertymavenstock

"The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs. Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others. Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT). BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.

Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:

Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.

Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.

Fini."
 

Medfinder

Chemon 91
Do a lot of research into mectins before ingesting any

Im pretty sure AVID has mectins in it

I have orally taken ivermectin in the horse paste before...4 tubes 2 years ago.

Not only did it get rid of chiggers fleas but my bowl movements were better.

Again..i am not telling anyone to injest any chemical.

Back to breaking coronavirus stats...

Worldometer

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
Last updated: April 08, 2020, 14:35 GMT
Graphs - Countries - Death Rate - Incubation - Age - Symptoms - News
Coronavirus Cases:
1,450,994
view by country
Deaths:
83,513
Recovered:
309,621
ACTIVE CASES
1,057,860
Currently Infected Patients
1,009,855 (95%)
in Mild Condition

48,005 (5%)
Serious or Critical
Show Statistics
CLOSED CASES
393,134
Cases which had an outcome:
309,621 (79%)
Recovered / Discharged

83,513 (21%)
Deaths
 

audiohi

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Veteran
CDC removes unusual guidance to doctors about drug favored by Trump

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-cdcguidance-idUSKBN21P39R

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has removed from its website highly unusual guidance informing doctors on how to prescribe hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, drugs recommended by President Donald Trump to treat the coronavirus.

The move comes three days after Reuters reported that the CDC published key dosing information involving the two antimalarial drugs based on unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science.
 

Medfinder

Chemon 91
As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents.

The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia -- forces that depend on the NCMI’s work. And it paints a picture of an American government that could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story%3fid=70031273
 

St. Phatty

Active member
As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

Mr. Trump also eliminated the position of Dr. Linda Quick in 2019.

She was an infectious disease expert who was stationed in China to monitor public health concerns, working for the US.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...d-public-health-position-ahead-of-coronavirus

Of course, Dr. Quick's position might have been redundant.

All Trump had to do was listen to the CIA.


Quite a breakdown in communication, given the subject - a 100 year virus.
 
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