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Dang man… I guess Profit/loss sharing isn’t real equality after all…
collectivize the profits and individualize the losses. And see how well that goes… (it’s honestly an absurd premise.)
profits are to be shared..losses aren’t real and won’t happen..lol.
and yes, I agree with you a lot of businesses will lay off employees rather than lose money….
i think there are times when this is a valid response and times where it is unfortunate and not justified if considering the long term rather than being quarterly profit driven.
idk, I’d like to see one of the marxist proponents defend the worker owned cooperative model and explain what happens in a massive loss scenario
does everyone have to work for free for awhile? Or what?
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As if Marxists can run a business, most can't even take care of themselves. I worked in a few factories, and let me say if the employees ran the business, as dumb as most were, the business would be ran straight into the ground.
Looks like some commie already got his ass handed to him by another member regarding the so called plank that I mentioned. This communist claim of Karl Marx central bank demand being ”fake news right wing propaganda” is really the only defence that these believers in the ”communism is a moneyless and governmentless ideology” mythos have. It is as much an internal defence used to protect their own sensibilities as one that is directed outwards. As always, however, the useful idiots guide to communism is best understood when put into context: ”communism is a moneyless and governmentless ideology, and now that we commies have siezed power, we must have a central bank or communism will not survive”.
Hard to run a business, when you can't get out of your mom's basement.
That’s not really my intention. My post was the sort of thing I would normally PM - Cannavore has them disabled though.
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you as an individual have next to no negotation power in terms of your wage. all of the largest employers in the country pay the lowest wages possible and are extremely anti union. go ahead and let me konw how negotiating with your boss at amazon goes in trying to get a living wage lol. they'll likely fire you on the spot.
wage earning is fundamentally theft. the profits you create through your labor is going into the pockets of the owner. you are not being paid full compensation for your labor.
yes but also theyre straight up stealing from your wages.
yes i am against private ownership of the means of production lol. that means i want everyone who works in the store or whatever to have an equal stake in ownership of the business.
yes
no i was specifically refering to the "planks of communism"
marxes definition of a central bank isn't the modern capitalist definition of it lol. modern central banks exist to benefit capitalists. marxes central banks would have been for the benefit of the workers.
who benefits the most from central banking today? hint - it's not the communists lol.
The Mondragon Corporation is a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain.
It was founded in the town of Mondragon in 1956 by José María Arizmendiarrieta and a group of his students at a technical college he founded. Its first product was paraffin heaters.
It is the seventh-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2016, it employed 74,117 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[SUP][4][/SUP] By 2019, 81,507 people were employed.[SUP][3][/SUP] Mondragon cooperatives operate in accordance with the Statement on the Co-operative Identity maintained by the International Co-operative Alliance.
"the slaves are too dumb to think for themselves"
abraham lincoln advocated for worker owned businesses lol.
That's great, I have no issue with people FREELY choosing to start a co op. I have a problem with idiots who think they have the right to take an existing company from the people who risked everything to create said company.
I support free choice, that's where we differ.
in other words you support the choice to be subjugated and exploited or not. i'm sure there were slaves back in the day who argued they're better off under the wings of their master(s) too. lol.
the person who "risked everything" to create a company did so using taxpayer infrastructure and the labor of other human beings. they didn't do it alone.
if that were true then you could basically say, because jeff bezos has a net worth of 200 billion dollars, he works 200 billion times harder than everyone else. which is beyond bullshit.
the person who "risked everything" to create a company did so using taxpayer infrastructure and the labor of other human beings. they didn't do it alone.
if that were true then you could basically say, because jeff bezos has a net worth of 200 billion dollars, he works 200 billion times harder than everyone else. which is beyond bullshit.
this thread has strayed far from the premise. i'd still like to know how the Democratic Party are marxists or communists from our fellow righties who are constantly saying such nonsense. the democrats are only "left wing" on social issues because there are no economic downsides in supporting such policies (for instance making Juneteenth a holiday without doing anything to benefit or change the material condiitons for black americans). in all the other aspects that actually matter, they are center-right, highly capitalist, and pretty racist.
Yes I support freedom. I prefer dangerous freedom, to safe subjugation.
Net worth isn't income. I can't stand Bozo, Bezos. He will get taxes on his assets when they are realized.
I am a fundamentally independent person. I have never wanted to follow the herd. You could never understand me, we are polar opposites. I respect your freedom to live your life without infringing on mine. I will never stop you from pursuing your dreams, hell I will commend you.
Now go sell some seeds you bloody capitalist.
nicely noticed, the crux of the biscuit
the older institution of royalty didn't disappear completely, it was absorbed into a new world where royal like institutions in business took its place
if you're smart enough, driven enough, ruthless enough ...
you can be emperor in your private fiefdom
we're somewhat democratic, but there's progress yet to be made
Yo buddy thanks for answering a few select questions but you skipped over the only one I wanted you to answer…
what happens in cannavoristan when the worker coop loses money and isn’t profitable for the year..
do the workers have to work for free to make up the deficit?
Most businesses fail…
so it stands to reason some of the worker owned coops will face times where they’re unprofitable..
what happens then? No wages for awhile?
i understand workers will be stoked to share profits (extra money)
will they be willing to share in the downside of ownership ( sharing in the losses) ?
you say that even if a buisness is losing money and still paying it’s promised wages to its workers that it’s somehow still stealing from its workers…
can you elaborate?
where is the theft? In that example the owner is going in his own pocket to make the workers whole..
I honestly don’t get it.
also you’re only talking about one company (Amazon)..
there are millions of businesses that are smaller and treat their workers better…
it’s the Strawman of examples of tyranny in the workplace and yet none of the workers at Amazon are in true bondage…
a guy in the marine corps is under far more tyranny than the Amazon warehouse worker…
Do you remember the stop loss policy? And Our children are still mandated to enlist in the draft..
idk it just doesn’t make sense to me… if one can quit the job… then that’s it. Shitty relationship with employer is over…
employee is free to negotiate with another employer to the best of their ability.
And btw I don’t give a fuck about democracy.
I care about freedom.
if The majority voted to put a group of people in chains (slavery) it would still be unjust bullshit.
You claim to love democracy. I love constitutionally limited representitive democracy , especially the constutionally limited part.
Democracy is just mob rule. 51% can enslave the 49%.
that doesn't seem to happen with democracy
after all, freedom is its appeal
but you have a point, it's not perfect
actually it's the 2nd worst government system yet invented
the worst? every other government system people have tried
