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['Boogieman']

I don't doubt that, but Capitalism is the most dominant system as well, so you'd expect that. Sure, you can invest your hard earned money, but to do that you have to have disposable income, and be prepared to lose money should your investment fail. Those that have the most, have the option of investing the most, and are least effected by failed investment. It is still a system geared to allow a few to benefit from the labour of many.

Probably the best recent example of a country pulling their citizens out of poverty would have to be China. Not sure whether they still deserve to be called Communist though.

Unfortunately the average income gets you much farther in small town USA rather than bigger cities. The balance is off and I believe improvements can be made. Many people are fleeing the higher costs and taxes in bigger cities as it becomes ridiculous but unfortunately some are stuck in a loop 22. I hope better wages and a lower cost of living is provided for those stuck in such a situation.

 

[nepalnt21]

all i know is the communists on reddit are super fascists that will ban you for calling fidel a mass murdering, autocratic, human rights disaster that lived in luxury while his subjects toiled.

and for some reason many of them are on some north korea d... bizarre world.

i like to think it's how i view flat earthers; half of them are serious and need a course on logic and reason, the other half are trolls.

i like to daydream about a post- scarcity (fusion?) utilitarian communal humanity hundreds of years in the future (maybe ala star trek?), but i dunno... people tend to ruin good things.

 

[mowood3479]

Cold fusion or some other super abundant alternate energy would be fantastic...
In that scenario I think a Star Trek type utopia could be possible.... but even Star Trek had warring factions... romulans, Klingons, the all powerful Q.. (is that where that started perhaps )?
dang I just realized The Q anon group probably started with Star Trek... thanks gene. Roddenberry

 

[Cannavore]

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economy system. You also have the choice of savings and investing your hard earned money to better yourself so you don't have to work forever, live off grid if you want, or you can blow it all on crack, that is freedom.

Whoa no way! Capitalism is better than slavery and feudalism? Who would have thought!?!?

You do realize many millenials (more than previous generations) will never be able to retire in their lifetimes, right? You're speaking in the abstract, about what once was. That's not what's going on anymore and capitalism is now destroying us. Freedom baby.

The left wants to expand freedom and democracy to include economic freedom, and democratize workplaces. From where i'm standing, you're for less freedom than me. lol

 

[Cannavore]

In my opinion your taking the premise of survival that exists in all the natural world

i can't tell if this is a social darwinist post or a 'humans are naturally greedy' meme but either way both are incorrect.

and conflating that with cruelty and immorality/oppression.

i shall ask you again. in what other area of your life do you allow strangers to steal a portion of your labor every month, and to bark orders at you, and if you don't do what you're told, you're punished/lose your employment/face potential life altering consequences.

 

[mowood3479]

i can't tell if this is a social darwinist post or a 'humans are naturally greedy' meme but either way both are incorrect.


i shall ask you again. in what other area of your life do you allow strangers to steal a portion of your labor every month, and to bark orders at you, and if you don't do what you're told, you're punished/lose your employment/face potential life altering consequences.

1. One must prepare and enact plans to survive in the natural world... if u don’t believe me go outside in the winter.
2. Ive never stayed at a job where I felt I was being treated poorly. If I thought my boss was a jerk... I got a new boss.
3. The only people that steal my labor and the proceeds from that labor is the government, my employers pay me what i have negotiated for a rate (and then the government takes their pound of flesh.)

I don’t see your argument for oppression/tyranny by employers in any way shape or form... Not to say their arent shitty bosses I’ve just always been good at telling people to go get fucked, so I’d never last very long as an employee to a shitty boss.

like I was saying before it’s having the ability to opt out of a relationship that delineates between oppression/ tyranny and just being in a bad relationship (of any type)...
ive said my piece... just going round in circles now..
we don’t have to agree. it’s okay...
try to have a Good day n I hope ur boss doesn’t oppress u too badly this week,

 

[Cannavore]

1. One must prepare and enact plans to survive in the natural world... if u don’t believe me go outside in the winter.

50% of working americans make poverty wages. if you dont believe me i dont care.

2. Ive never stayed at a job where I felt I was being treated poorly. If I thought my boss was a jerk... I got a new boss.

70% of working americans work for a corporation. they simply don't have the privelege you have.

3. The only people that steal my labor and the proceeds from that labor is the government,

how fucking braindead are you exactly? how many times do i have to prove that you employer is stealing from you? this is a fact that you cannot disprove.

my employers pay me what i have negotiated for a rate (and then the government takes their pound of flesh.)

wage labor is theft. you're proud of being a fucking slave.

I don’t see your argument for oppression/tyranny by employers in any way shape or form...

cuz you're a pleb

Not to say their arent shitty bosses I’ve just always been good at telling people to go get fucked, so I’d never last very long as an employee to a shitty boss.

like I was saying before it’s having the ability to opt out of a relationship that delineates between oppression/ tyranny and just being in a bad relationship (of any type)...
ive said my piece... just going round in circles now..
we don’t have to agree. it’s okay...
try to have a Good day n I hope ur boss doesn’t oppress u too badly this week,

you cannot opt out. the relationship between employer and employee is exploitative by nature. nothing you do or say changes this relationship.

again, if i steal your money, and tell you what to do, and if you disregard what i tell you, you lose your employment. what does that make you? other than a fucking slave? you're ,my bitch, if you dont follow my orders, you're free to die or work for the same tyrannical peoples.

 

[mowood3479]

50% of working americans make poverty wages. if you dont believe me i dont care.


70% of working americans work for a corporation. they simply don't have the privelege you have.


how fucking braindead are you exactly? how many times do i have to prove that you employer is stealing from you? this is a fact that you cannot disprove.


wage labor is theft. you're proud of being a fucking slave.


cuz you're a pleb


you cannot opt out. the relationship between employer and employee is exploitative by nature. nothing you do or say changes this relationship.

again, if i steal your money, and tell you what to do, and if you disregard what i tell you, you lose your employment. what does that make you? other than a fucking slave? you're ,my bitch, if you dont follow my orders, you're free to die or work for the same tyrannical peoples.

Ok lil buddy.
I believe ur statistics..

But I don’t see how that proves theft or oppression, care to elaborate?

Imo ur not even making an argument... ur just saying things are a certain way without even a through line of reasoning to support ur claims.

how does my employer steal from me?
I negotiate a wage and they pay me that wage.
where is the theft?
and yes I can opt out of my employment.. all I have to do is not get in my truck and go to work in the morning..Simple.
..

 

['Boogieman']

Imo ur not even making an argument... ur just saying things are a certain way without even a through line of reasoning to support ur claims...

He loses me when he starts calling everyone a pleb. Never offers solutions to current problems outside of communist utopia. To me he comes off as someone with an agenda who can't be reasoned with.

 

[igrowone]

He loses me when he starts calling everyone a pleb. Never offers solutions to current problems outside of communist utopia. To me he comes off as someone with an agenda who can't be reasoned with.

and this differs from hardcore Trump supporters how?

 

[JKD]

One thing about these threads is no-one changes their mind.

 

[Gry]

Believe we have 2 groups separated by apx ten years of age. One group was exposed to the Powell memo and one was not.

 

[gaiusmarius]

How China Lost Patience with Its Loudest Billionaire



this needs to happen to facebook, twitter, google, paypall, ebay and amazon too imo. rein them in and get them to start working more with the common good in mind

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

One thing about these threads is no-one changes their mind.

- That is not expected - but all opinions are welcome - since we are into diversity here - DIVERSITY OF OPINION - which makes things much more interesting -

 

[entropical]

Communism is state capitalism. While this statement may be contrary to marxist propaganda, fact is that the notion of a society in which workers own the means of production is overruled by the 5th plank in marxist doctrine and praxis alike. The demand to install a central bank of course coincides with the fact that Marx, or Chaim Hirschel Mordechai as was his real name, was a blood relative of the Rothschild banking family.

Marxism, it should be noted, was developed under the supervision of Moses Hess as a tool of the banking elite to usurp and monopolize socialism for their own ends. In this sense, the utopian dream is merely bait used to herd human cattle into the totalitarian state capitalist system. You really don’t have to do more than look to the source of money flowing into the marxist movement. Big money, from big banks and corporations.

This was always the case of course, even from day one.

 

[packerfan79]

Believe we have 2 groups separated by apx ten years of age. One group was exposed to the Powell memo and one was not.

You are literally the only person who I have ever heard talk about this ancient memo.

I am much more concerned about the Cloward -Piven memo, that being said I still don't bring it up because very few people know about it. It certainly seems the Cloward-Piven memo is an instruction manual for the scumbags that run our government.

 

[audiohi]

You are literally the only person who I have ever heard talk about this ancient memo.

I am much more concerned about the Cloward -Piven memo, that being said I still don't bring it up because very few people know about it. It certainly seems the Cloward-Piven memo is an instruction manual for the scumbags that run our government.

Cloward-Piven strategy - 1966

The strategy was outlined in a May 1966 article in the liberal magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".

The two stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party. There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party-then splintered by pluralistic interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national "solution" to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national "solution" to poverty).



Powell memo - 1971

The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding society's thinking about business, government, politics and law in the US. It inspired wealthy heirs of earlier American industrialists such as Richard Mellon Scaife, the Earhart Foundation (whose money came from an oil fortune), and the Smith Richardson Foundation (from the cough medicine dynasty)to use their private charitable foundations (which did not have to report their political activities) to join the Carthage Foundation (founded by Scaife in 1964)to fund Powell's vision of a pro-business, anti-socialist, minimally government-regulated America based on what he thought America had been in the heyday of early American industrialism, before the Great Depression and the rise of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.

The Powell Memorandum thus became the blueprint for the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as The Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as well as inspiring the US Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active. CUNY professor David Harvey traces the rise of neoliberalism in the US to this memo.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Communism is state capitalism. While this statement may be contrary to marxist propaganda, fact is that the notion of a society in which workers own the means of production is overruled by the 5th plank in marxist doctrine and praxis alike. The demand to install a central bank of course coincides with the fact that Marx, or Chaim Hirschel Mordechai as was his real name, was a blood relative of the Rothschild banking family.

Marxism, it should be noted, was developed under the supervision of Moses Hess as a tool of the banking elite to usurp and monopolize socialism for their own ends. In this sense, the utopian dream is merely bait used to herd human cattle into the totalitarian state capitalist system. You really don’t have to do more than look to the source of money flowing into the marxist movement. Big money, from big banks and corporations.

This was always the case of course, even from day one.

- WOW! - its good to see that at least one member 'gets it' - and understands the bigger picture - just study Jacob Schiff /The Schiff's - The Warbergs and of course - The Rothchild's - and do some historical forensic financial detective work on who funded the Russo-Japanese War (on the Japanese side) - The Communist and Bolshevik Revolutions in Russia during 1917 - WW1 and WW2 - and way too many other atrocious events to mention here throughout history - its all out there - if you only look -

- if you want to know who funded and so instigated any and all atrocities - FOLLOW THE MONEY! - because without the cash - no despot/dictator/President or King can go to war - and have any chance of winning -

 

[Gry]

You are literally the only person who I have ever heard talk about this ancient memo.

I am much more concerned about the Cloward -Piven memo, that being said I still don't bring it up because very few people know about it. It certainly seems the Cloward-Piven memo is an instruction manual for the scumbags that run our government.

I in turn would have to say that you are the sole person I have encountered that has not heard of that which became the very foundation of the times we do live in today...
As to your statement that you are far more concerned about the Cloward Piven Strategy .
I would suggest that, is a response which was literally generated by the one of the many institutions that was borne of the Powell Memo.

I would further note, that describing something from the seventies as ancient in an effort to dismiss it is hardly
an effective or accurate description of the more important and foundational documents of our times.
It has been described repeatedly as : as a blueprint for corporate domination of American Democracy.
I would also suggest that pointing at it's age as you respond with something even older is curious

This is not the first time you have delivered your very well prepared response on the topic.
The first time you used it, I was inclined to take it at face value, seeing it a second time,
I can not help but feel your response is the most effective tribute to the Powell Memo
that I have ever seen. I tip my hat to it's author.

I found the following, which I believe to be relevant .

In 1966 Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven wrote the Nation article: "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty." Forty-four years later, the Cloward-Piven strategy has come full circle. On Grit TV with Laura Flanders, Nation Senior Editor Richard Kim discusses the strategy, which, according to Glenn Beck and the Tea Party, is rooted in the conspiracy to destroy the economy and possibly the world.

"Glenn Beck has done 28 different programs on it," Kim says. "There are hundreds of thousands of Google hits on it, and what it suggests is that, basically, the Left has cynically manipulated the system for the past forty-four years to crash the global economy, commit massive voter fraud, elect Barack Obama so we can nationalize the banks, take over the government and install a communist, totalitarian regime."
Kim, author of the recent Nation cover piece "The Mad Tea Party", argues that the strategy has become the meta-narrative for the Tea Party. According to them, in the 1966 article, the Cloward-Piven strategy seeks to flood the system with government bureaucracy, thus creating an economic collapse. They have relied on a web of associations to bring the conspiracy more legitimacy–however illegitimate their claims against the Left may be. Now, the Right is working hard to corral the craziness and harness the conspiracy to their cause.


https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...d-tea-party-2/

The more complete any story is, the more interesting it may possibly become.

 

[packerfan79]

I in turn would have to say that you are the sole person I have encountered that has not heard of that which became the very foundation of the times we do live in today...
As to your statement that you are far more concerned about the Cloward Piven memo.
I would suggest that, is a response which was literally generated by the one of the many institutions that was borne of the Powell Memo.

I would further note, that describing something from the seventies as ancient in an effort to dismiss it is hardly
an effective or accurate description of the more important and foundational documents of our times.
It has been described repeatedly as : as a blueprint for corporate domination of American Democracy.
I have never been comfortable with the thought of a handful of the wealthy running our country.

This is not the first time you have delivered your very well prepared response on the topic.
The first time you used it, I was inclined to take it at face value, seeing it a second time,
I can not help but feel your response is the most effective tribute to the Powell Memo
that I have ever seen.
I do indeed wish you the best of a very fine day.

Ultimately, the marriage of corpratism and leftism we currently reside under seems to be the demon child of the your dreaded Powell memo, and my dreaded cloward-piven strategy. Let's oppose the government together. We would all be better off if corrupt assholes in DC, were scared of the people they supposedly represent .

I still don't understand why you claim My beliefs are in anyway in line with corpratism. I don't support large multinational corporations. I don't support the merger of the corporate and the government, ever. I can think of several corporations that could use a good old fashioned monopoly busting prosecution.