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[Gry]

igt htimately, the marriage of corpratism and leftism we currently reside under seems to be the demon child of the your dreaded Powell memo, and my dreaded cloward-piven strategy. Let's oppose the government together. We would all be better off if corrupt assholes in DC, were scared of the people they supposedly represent .

I still don't understand why you claim My beliefs are in anyway in line with corpratism. I don't support large multinational corporations. I don't support the merger of the corporate and the government, ever. I can think of several corporations that could use a good old fashioned monopoly busting prosecution.

Forgive me Pack , at times I do tend to get down in to the root of things when my efforts might be far better applied elsewhere.
I would wholeheartedly agree that we could sure use some monopoly busting. I do believe our masters would shudder at the thought.

 

[packerfan79]

Forgive me Pack , at times I do tend to get down in to the root of things when my efforts might be far better applied elsewhere.
I would wholeheartedly agree that we could sure use some monopoly busting. I do believe our masters would shudder at the thought.

We are the masters. Those scumbags work for us.

 

[entropical]

- WOW! - its good to see that at least one member 'gets it' - and understands the bigger picture - just study Jacob Schiff /The Schiff's - The Warbergs and of course - The Rothchild's - and do some historical forensic financial detective work on who funded the Russo-Japanese War (on the Japanese side) - The Communist and Bolshevik Revolutions in Russia during 1917 - WW1 and WW2 - and way too many other atrocious events to mention here throughout history - its all out there - if you only look -

- if you want to know who funded and so instigated any and all atrocities - FOLLOW THE MONEY! - because without the cash - no despot/dictator/President or King can go to war - and have any chance of winning -

Thanks, and thank you for welcoming a diversity of opinion in times when censorship is the new normal! So many people have truth allergies these days, they seem to spread quicker than the rona during a lock down. Another interesting aspect of Marx’s 5th plank, the demand of a central bank is, it was implemented in the United States years before the ”russian” revolution of 1917. The economic foundation of american capitalism and marxism/communism then is essentially one and the same. Often when I mention these things people find it difficult to grasp or conceptualize and as for the marxist believers well, they tend to simply deny it.

 

[igrowone]

here's 1 take on the Marxist/Lenin banking experience
go back to those heady days of the revolution
and we are in one of the large banks in Russia, Lenin, some "soldiers", and various other Bolsheviks are there
at this point the bank managers have given up and simply handed over the keys to the representatives of the new government
the bank is otherwise empty and the "government" soldiers are busting open the last of the deposit boxes
this is being done because the soldiers need to be paid
and during this time it is slowly dawning on Lenin and his friends that they don't really understand what a bank does

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Thanks, and thank you for welcoming a diversity of opinion in times when censorship is the new normal! So many people have truth allergies these days, they seem to spread quicker than the rona during a lock down. Another interesting aspect of Marx’s 5th plank, the demand of a central bank is, it was implemented in the United States years before the ”russian” revolution of 1917. The economic foundation of american capitalism and marxism/communism then is essentially one and the same. Often when I mention these things people find it difficult to grasp or conceptualize and as for the marxist believers well, they tend to simply deny it.

- President Woodrow Wilson knew the score - when he sold America out to a Zionist/Communist banking conspiracy - and The Federal Reserve Bank was formed - and we have all been paying for it - ever since - in blood - sweat - and tears -

- does anyone read books any more? - this one is a challenge -

link to free book : The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island-by-G.-Edward-Griffin.pdf (chinhnghia.com)

 

[JKD]

That quote is made up of things Wilson said… But at different times about different things and all strung together by someone else. ‘The Great nation is controlled’ piece actually preceded the Federal Reserve.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

That quote is made up of things Wilson said… But at different times about different things and all strung together by someone else. ‘The Great nation is controlled’ piece actually preceded the Federal Reserve.

- ahh ok - So it is a series of Wilsons quotes - words/phrases that Wilson had actually said about a small group of dominant men - that had gained control over the USA -

- can you give me a link? - and please - not to wikipedia -

 

[JKD]

- can you give me a link? - and please - not to wikipedia -

https://archive.org/stream/WoodrowWi...eedom_djvu.txt

Starting pages 111 & 121. Not word for word as the ‘quote’ is rewritten to push an agenda, but you’ll recognise the two separate parts when you arrive at them. The opening sentence was possibly written by the person who merged the two main pieces together. It doesn’t appear in any of Wilson’s speeches, letters or papers.

He’s talking about the Industrialists (Carnegie etc), monopolies, independently owned banks and arguing possibly the exact opposite position to what the ‘quote’ insinuates (in terms of regretting the Federal Reserve which at the time of these speeches/writings was yet to be formed).

It’s not an exciting read.

 

[Cannavore]

But I don’t see how that proves theft or oppression, care to elaborate?

i never used the word oppression. i said theft and exploitation.

you really want me to elaborate on how a boss stealing money from you is theft? huh? are you trolling?

Imo ur not even making an argument... ur just saying things are a certain way without even a through line of reasoning to support ur claims.

once again i'm not arguing in favor of marxism in here. me pointing out to you and some of the others that what you believe about communism and marxism is not correct doesn't make me a communist.

how does my employer steal from me?
I negotiate a wage and they pay me that wage.
where is the theft?

legalized wage theft

and yes I can opt out of my employment.. all I have to do is not get in my truck and go to work in the morning..Simple.
..

uh huh and then what?

 

[Cannavore]

He loses me when he starts calling everyone a pleb. Never offers solutions to current problems outside of communist utopia. To me he comes off as someone with an agenda who can't be reasoned with.

because your arguments suck lol

i've offered and supported solutions for two president cycles in a row now? you really gonna pretend i don't offer any solutions? you're just strawmaninng booger. i'm not a communist and nothing i advocate for is "communist utopia".

 

[Cannavore]

Communism is state capitalism.

not entirely correct

While this statement may be contrary to marxist propaganda, fact is that the notion of a society in which workers own the means of production is overruled by the 5th plank in marxist doctrine and praxis alike.

the "10 planks of marxism" is fake news right wing propaganda lol

The demand to install a central bank of course coincides with the fact that Marx, or Chaim Hirschel Mordechai as was his real name, was a blood relative of the Rothschild banking family.

damn right to the jewish bankers shit lmao

the utopian dream is merely bait used to herd human cattle into the totalitarian state capitalist system.

as opposed to the already existing authoritarian state capitalist system currently in the US lol

You really don’t have to do more than look to the source of money flowing into the marxist movement. Big money, from big banks and corporations.

???? absolute and utter bullshit. i love this unprovable conspiracy bullshit.

"okay guys heres the real truth. all the capitalists, bankers and corporations are actually secretly communists who backed Karl Marx to eventually usher in communism aka total central banker control"

you understand that the basic principles of being a leftist is to be anti hierarchical in all aspects of life, right? and that communism is a moneyless and governmentless ideology right? nah. def the hidden jewish commie bankers pretending to be capitalists for hundreds of years option. that's the one.

 

[Cannavore]

The economic foundation of american capitalism and marxism/communism then is essentially one and the same.

lmfao

 

[Cannavore]

Marxist Economics Professor Defines Capitalism & Socialism




drop all the jew banker conspiracy shit and the joey stalin shit and this becomes really really really fucking easy to understand.

 

[JKD]

What he calls ‘the 5th plank’ does come from “The Communist Manifesto” - At least the Signet published ‘sesquicentennial edition’ with an introduction by Martin Malia:

Pg 75. Proletarians and Communists
… 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Though the term ‘planks’ is not used, and I don’t support his other assertions.

 

[mowood3479]

i never used the word oppression. i said theft and exploitation.

you really want me to elaborate on how a boss stealing money from you is theft? huh? are you trolling?


once again i'm not arguing in favor of marxism in here. me pointing out to you and some of the others that what you believe about communism and marxism is not correct doesn't make me a communist.


legalized wage theft


uh huh and then what?

Ok…
I’ll keep it concise and easy to answer
If I negotiate a wage with my employer.. and they pay me that exact wage. Where is the theft exactly? How am I being exploited by my employer if they honor the contract I made with them?

What I think ur trying to say is that all wage labor is theft because the business that employs me ostensibly makes a profit and I should be entitled to a share of those profits on top of my wages…

but does this proposed profit sharing include also sharing in losses? Because without loss sharing I would argue that it is the employer (not the employee) being exploited in that hypothetical agreement…

Lots of businesses don’t make money (especially after it pays the govt 40% or so) ive been apart of several.. as employee and even worse as employer..

so if a business is losing money every quarter and it continues to pay its employees their negotiated wage is it still stealing from the employee or is the theft scenario reversed? And the employee is stealing from the employer ?

 

[audiohi]

Ok…
I’ll keep it concise and easy to answer
If I negotiate a wage with my employer.. and they pay me that exact wage. Where is the theft exactly? How am I being exploited by my employer if they honor the contract I made with them?

What I think ur trying to say is that all wage labor is theft because the business that employs me ostensibly makes a profit and I should be entitled to a share of those profits on top of my wages…

but does this proposed profit sharing include also sharing in losses? Because without loss sharing I would argue that it is the employer (not the employee) being exploited in that hypothetical agreement…

Lots of businesses don’t make money (especially after it pays the govt 40% or so) ive been apart of several.. as employee and even worse as employer..

so if a business is losing money every quarter and it continues to pay its employees their negotiated wage is it still stealing from the employee or is the theft scenario reversed? And the employee is stealing from the employer ?

Amazon didn't make a profit for its' first 9 years of operation.

Jeff Bezos did just fine during that time. Amazon ended up pretty good, too.

Did Amazon pay 40% tax to the government? Ever?


Clearly there's more at play than whether or not the company "loses" money.

 

[unclefishstick]

i worked at a restaurant that was run like a fishing boat in that we worked for a share,in this case 3.2%. we were paid a daily wage,$65/day,plus room and board and booze,an equal share of tips,and our crew share...not easy running a restaurant on an island in alaska,long days,12-16 hours,one day off a week,and i had to move 1500lbs of cargo on those days,but the side perks were pretty darn good...salmon fishing trips,kayaking,really just living there is a treat...

anyway,the point...that for me was a good wage model,the harder you worked,the more money you made,the owners were hands off aside from being there to help...

 

[mowood3479]

Amazon didn't make a profit for its' first 9 years of operation.

Jeff Bezos did just fine during that time. Amazon ended up pretty good, too.

Did Amazon pay 40% tax to the government? Ever?


Clearly there's more at play than whether or not the company "loses" money.

I agree, I was using a simplistic model to illustrate a point (that not all business are profitable and in that scenario wage labor isnt theft even by a marxist paradigm)
Btw I disdain Amazon (and all government protected monopoly)
but to be fair Amazon pays hundreds of millions in payroll tax, sales tax, gas tax, they pay capital gains tax (on stock options)
As a company and as individuals they pay alot of taxes that were not included in the recent irs leak.. (on Jeff bezos tax rate)
whether or not they were ever at 40%… idk.. (probably not since they got big enough to grease the right wheels)

but yea it is more complex than profit vs loss..on an irs form… especially when sooooo many business decisions are made with manipulating the tax code in mind.
but alot of businesses fail (especially with the govt propping up monopolyies 24/7/365)
if the employees in canavoristan share in the profits… would they not also need to share in losses?
you know for the sake of equitable treatment ? (In a worker owned cooperative who else is their to share the losses with)
its really a question for cannavore but feel free to chime in on how things would be in audiohiistan

 

[audiohi]

It's complex... but let me simplify it, like you do.

Anything can happen in your make believe land.


That's a cute country nickname thing you're doing there.

 

[member 505892]

It's complex... but let me simplify it, like you do.

Anything can happen in your make believe land.


That's a cute country nickname thing you're doing there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upG2ntBYrYM