Colorado Growers Thread

[Ganoderma]

Development? Care to elaborate?

It only turned out to be a 24 hour hold due, it because they where using old labels that listed chemicals that the state has banned even though those products where no longer being used. The Denver post did another story the next day. There have also been other stories popping up about it to, High Times even put up a story about it on their web site. The headline is "False Report In the Denver Post Creates Hardship For Colorado Marijuana Dispensaries".

 

[Avinash.miles]

using the wrong stickers is an even more stupid mistake than using nasty pesticides and fungicidal chemicals on weed....
they deserve the punishment, whatever it is, imo.

 

[KiefSweat]

i don't think spinosad should be banned personally, its one of the most non-toxic pesticides around.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

i don't think spinosad should be banned personally, its one of the most non-toxic pesticides around.

i think you are 100% correct

AFAIK unfortunately one of the requirements for colorado to approve any pesticide for it's list is that it be labeled for use on tobacco ....... i just read the label on my Monterey Garden Insect Spray and tobacco is one of the few plants i can't find mentioned.

could it be that they don't need to use spinosad on tobacco in the first place because the plant already has some natural defense against what spinosad targets? could it be the set of chemicals they already spray on tobacco kills everything and they don't have the problem? could some federal agency be blocking the testing and approval of spinosad on tobacco because they are bought and sold by the company that already sells the tobacco industry the chems they use and they don't want the competition?

could simple shit like this get any more complicated ?

you would "figure" that anything that kills bugs on food crops AND that those those crops can be harvested the next day would be on the list ....... but the politicians wrote the rules,and they had to build
on set of flawed rules that was already in place....... and as usual all we can do is shake our heads, shrug our shoulders and say "it figures"

IMHO our government is not a whole lot better at fixing simple problems than is is huge ones. they sway flies with 2x4's and poke elephants with pins ........ while the media pretty much prints/say/steams/spews whatever sells BEFORE they check all the facts

it's just more of the same old shit

............ and i think i'll keep my spinosad

 

[Seaf0ur]

Let’s face it. Our government can’t even make a noodle salad without it degrading to the equivalent of a bunch of spoiled children having simultaneous mental breakdowns over not getting something they wanted at the toy store.
America seems to float endlessly from one pathetic government scandal... one public screw job, or worse, one false flag, to the next....

Think about it. Is there anything… any one thing… that our ever-growing, ever-more-centralized government has touched that has justified the need for more government?

 

[Jhhnn]

To be fair, tobacco has been grown in a legal commercial manner for a very long time so they've worked out chemical control of pests a long time ago.

Tobacco has its own set of pests somewhat different from cannabis pests-

http://ipm.ncsu.edu/AG271/tobacco/tobacco.html

No spider mites, which is why cannabis growers use spinosad, iirc. I have not encountered the little beasties in my short growing time, so I really don't know.

The State just needed somewhere safe to start from wrt pesticides & tobacco was it. Now that it's turned into a nice fat cash cow they'll likely be amenable to changes commercial growers want & can justify, like spinosad.

There's likely a bureaucratic process for that.

 

[Space Case]

They need to just ditch the whole concept of plant counts. If growers can grow as many plants as needed, plus an extra 100 or so, then there will be an allowance for some natural attrition due to pests and pathogens, and people will be more hesitant and lazy to spray anything. I mean, would you bother spending money on any of these expensive and toxic pesticides if you knew you had a grip of extra plants to replace the sick ones with? People wouldn't be so worried to make their 6 or 12 or 24 or even 200 plant counts have to pull all the weight and not be over count.

 

[Space Case]

If you live in Colorado, your plant count should be ∞. It has always been a stupid limitation since we are all truly limited by electricity, square footage, water, privacy, and other constraints. Plant counts are just another annoyance within that, that most growers can just figure a way around anyway.

 

[Seaf0ur]

or ignore in my case... If the laws came knockin I'd chop whatever was in excess before I opened the door.

 

[who dat is]

or ignore in my case... If the laws came knockin I'd chop whatever was in excess before I opened the door.

Don't ever let them inside, never EVER consent to a search. That goes for your vehicle as well (especially)

 

[MrTea]

Consent is arbitrary if they already have a warrant.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't pretend to understand the ins & outs of it, but licensed caregiver growers are subject to inspection in CO depending on the jurisdiction & the circumstances.

People who do that need to deal with the cops a little bit differently than if they're not licensed. If you don't let the nice polite officers in then they'll likely try to get a warrant & send the drug task force who aren't nice at all.

A friend recently had a visit from his local cops over a neighbor's bogus complaint about smell. He let 'em in & they examined his system & paperwork, found him well within compliance. They complimented his work & also ratted out the asshole neighbor.

I'm sure it all went into a nice report that's on file should they ever have reason to look at him again.

I'm on the other side of it, a completely anonymous personal grower exercising my constitutional rights so I don't need any paperwork, any exams & I don't pay any fees. Not dealing & not exceeding our legal plant counts means we're pretty much unconcerned wrt the authorities.

If they show up for any reason I figure they'll be easy to deal with, at least here in Denver.

If all a person wants from growing is to grow for friends & family then the plant counts for a couple are entirely workable except perhaps for people who have a very wide circle of friends & entertain a helluva lot more than we do.

Hell, the law doesn't say how big those plants can be so people with greater ambition would do well to study the techniques of Gettogro & other tree farmers.

 

[Seaf0ur]

yeah... but why do I have to give up great genetics just to conform to some numbering system set in place by the uneducated on the subject?
It isnt all about producing a mountain of bud... do a 8 month veg with 1k per plant and you can make a mountain off 6 plants...
therefore the whole plant count thing is stupid... and it doesnt really limit anything but the amount of genetics the law abiding can have.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

but why do I have to give up great genetics just to conform to some numbering system set in place by the uneducated on the subject?

good question!

maybe it's because the people who were (and still are) against us growing,smoking,or even mentioning herb in all but the same context and heroin,meth and cocaine needed to be thrown a bone so they would wash the sand out of their vaginas? or maybe it's because the guys who wrote amendment 20 knew damn well it would never pass if those same assholes with sanded vajayjays could cry and spin things so the voters thought it was going to be free for all.

true freedom is a tough thing to get done when you think about how many ways there are to look at what the word means to each of us

IMHO there is no way they could write rules for herb without somebody being righteously pissed off about something (real or imaginary)

i still know people who buy the whole gateway drug song and dance.

how the fuck do you reason with that? especially after they have 6-7 beers in them when they start the "devil's weed" rant.

this debate just like a whole pile of other debates is not going away any time soon

plant counts suck but there is no fuckin way i'd be moving to Utah to protest how unfair it is here. it aint perfect but it's not near as fucked as other places ....... even some other places where herb is "legal"

 

[Seaf0ur]

I completely agree, but the fact still remains, plant counts pose no restrictions on production provided a long ass veg, a trellis net and 1-2kw per plant. so its a moot point on their part.

 

[KiefSweat]

heh, the more space you have the less plants you need.
i get ocd with my clones and might have 100 clones under a t5, if i had a 10x20 room i could get away with a dozen large plants.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

heh, the more space you have the less plants you need.
i get ocd with my clones and might have 100 clones under a t5, if i had a 10x20 room i could get away with a dozen large plants.

i'm 110% sure whatever restriction they are gonna throw down there WILL be people who figure out how to maximize everything they can within those limitations. IMHO master ghettogrown pretty much proved that right here.

the dam has been broken and to make a long story short nobody is going to get all that water to run back up the hill. the disinformation they used to get people to actually be afraid of a plant won't fly so well these days

which brings us right to the point that Sea made ......


[/QUOTE=Seaf0ur;7121456] its a moot point on their part.[/QUOTE]



they have to appear to be making an effort ....... WTF they are making an effort at is kinda unclear to me but i'm not counting on them solving a thing. time will tell.....


****** but on the lighter side .... the colorado lottery now sells bacon scented scratch tickets! at least we don't have to worry about living without those anymore, right? whew ..... now there's a fuckin load off. we can all relax now! ******* sarcasm off


aint it good to know they have been working so hard on something so important ?

 

[RckyMtRdnk]

Weren't bacon scented scratch tickets part of the end times prophecies?

 

[Ganoderma]

I have a couple of thoughts. Perhaps it will take Cannabis being legalized on the federal level before we are able to move away from plant count numbers. One of my other thoughts is perhaps there is the option of passing more laws via the Colorado voters that would move us away from plant counts or loosen up the pot laws. If we want to be able to have a place for Cannabis smokers to hang out and socialize we are going to have to force the states hands into action, even tho A64 states tax and regulate cannabis like booze.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i just can't get past the part about "legalized on the federal level".... i don't see that happening in a REAL way (the kind of way in CO, where any adult can grow their own). I hope im wrong.

lots of legal battles going on about the "semi public" use issue.
a ballot initiative was planned, then rescinded. the activists who initiated the ballot initiative in favor of creating legal avenues for use in private cannnabis clubs and venues decided the initiative would do better in a major election year when more voters turn out.... that's on them, when and if it DOES show up on a ballot, peeps better represent....