Colorado Growers Thread

[Avinash.miles]

I really don't understand why some in the legislature have such a giant hard-on for caregivers, who are an extremely small part of the whole scene. I feel like I'm missing something, like there's something staring right at me that I can't see.

The State is taking a wrong approach entirely. More retail growers. more competition. Outdoor growing. Drive down the price of retail & capture the whole market, squeeze small MMJ suppliers & caregivers right out of any profit. Collect taxes on all of it. No guns, no cops, no warrants. Let the little guys who survive & produce connoisseur grade have a teensy corner of the pie. Just pretend they're not there.

It's not like cannabis is illegal or like anybody will die from doing it that way.

please understand the politics

legislators are not *neccessarily* against caregivers
the industry is
the shop owners are
the dispensaries are
they see caregivers and self-suppliers as the enemy of their profits.

lots of industry lobbyists and police lobbyists and the like (prison guard industry) are anti.
the legislators are mostly ignorant and just listen to who is in their ear. hence lobbyists.
i realy think the legislators just play dumb because ignorant is better than anti. they are always looking to be re-elected and little else, so instead of seeeming against caregivers, they play ignorant to the advantage of caregivers and instead choose only to see caregivers in the same light as those who would have them re-elected.
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[Photosynthesis]

Dispensary owners got the "say so" when they started to pay taxes for selling weed.

Who would you listen to if you were a legislator? Someone paying millions in taxes, or someone who is possibly using a law to ship product out of State for tax free cash?

Let's not play dumb guys.

That being said they need to allow caregivers to test their product, and also enter it legally into the dispensaries. It works in Cali, and it can work here as well. It's a way to keep quality on the shelf as the dispensaries start to focus on cutting costs. Cutting costs will always sacrifice quality. That's where the caregiver herb would come into play.

It's a win, win.

Or we can just keep growing, processing, and marketing our own without much oversight from the Government. Although those days seem to be numbered.

 

[RckyMtRdnk]

Thanks for all the info from everybody. I can't keep up with it all. Glad to know somebody is keepin tabs on our government.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Glad to know somebody is keepin tabs on our government.

fucking barely,
they pretty much do what the lobbyists tell them; whatever will get them re-elected.

can't believe how laughably ridiculous the entire AA tax pay-back thing was.
i remember during the NO on AA thing was going on, people were saying "not to mention its an un-constitutional tax" and that meant nothing to people in favor of the tax (industry shills) (fucking idiots). in hindsight i think it was all planned so that the entire tax issue would HAVE TO be brought up AGAIN because it's unconstitutional, if they had passed a constitutional tax first then it would be over, tax set according to how they must be set according to the constitution, no pay back, no second coming of cannabis taxes story.
the anti's & the industry people have one major thing in common - it is in their best interests to have the cannabis conversation constantly coming up in media (news/ fake news/ distractions).
it is in OUR favor (users, growers, consumers, caregivers, etc) for the rules to simply be set and left so that we can attain compliance. constantly changing the rules makes it so only those with (seemingly) infinite funds can stay afloat, if yo ucan't change quick enough (as quick as the rules change) you are found un-compliant and face fines/shutdown/ garden destroyed.

 

[mowood3479]

please understand the politics

legislators are not against caregivers
the industry is
the shop owners are
the dispensaries are
they see caregivers and self-suppliers as the enemy of their profits.

lots of industry lobbyists and police lobbyists and the like (prison guard industry) are anti.
the legislators are mostly ignorant and just listen to who is in their ear. hence lobbyists.
i realy think the legislators just play dumb because ignorant is better than anti. they are always looking to be re-elected and little else, so instead of seeeming against caregivers, they play ignorant to the advantage of caregivers and instead choose only to see caregivers in the same light as those who would have them re-elected.
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That's America in 100 words or so... So depressing and exactly the reason why our federal and state govts are such a bad joke.

 

[Riddleme]

Hey Colorado,

Thought I'd share a pic from my garden

Blue Dream (the clone only cut) 14 days into flower,,

 

[Relentless]

Going to be in Denver for 420, whos gonna be partying for the weekend?!

 

[Seaf0ur]

I'll be taking turns with the wife... rugrats and all... only one of us can have fun at a time... although there is one thing I will be doing for certain...

 

[Avinash.miles]

news for the day;

Please vote NO on SB15-014. The Patient and Caregiver Rights Litigation Projected formed to sue the GA for the passage of unconstitutional HB10-1284. Today, 100% of the new language posted on the states website SB15-014 is unconstitutional. And 99% of the language in the "unedited, unrevised, redraft 2-20-15" I 'happened upon' (not on the state website) is unconstitutional also. If PCRLP has to we will sue again. PCRLP supports everything in Attorney Robert Corry's letter sent to you yesterday.

PCRLP represents thousands of patients and caregivers across the state since May of 2010/passage of HB10-1284. We have solely spent the last 4 1/2 years involved in 6 lawsuits seeking clarity from the High Court on MMJ legality and patient, caregiver and doctor rights.

PCRLP believes A20 to be a constitutionally protected self regulated MMJ model that operated successfully for a decade for patients, caregivers and doctors (until HB10-1284). John Suthers agreed. Pre HB1284 there were over 60,000 voluntarily registered caregivers at CDPHE and most cared for 1-2 patients. After HB1284 (today) there are less then 3,000, because the general assembly chased them away with HB1284.

Today, less than 25 voluntarily registered caregivers caregiver for more than 5 people. If they are actually doing something illegal, they would have been arrested long ago. But we all know they are not doing anything illegal. You clearly have to change the laws on them and violate the constitution to make them 'illegal'. But it's not gonna work. You cannot force anyone to sign up for any list/license.

The only violations of A20 were caused by CDPHE violating the entire confidential registry/patient privacy/medical records since 2001 and over charging patient registry fee's to the tune of over 12 million in the last decade, the most egregious over collection of a state agency in state history. The state audit is pretty clear that CDPHE has failed it's two constitutional charges. And 2 years later there has been no re-audit as the original audit stipulated and the breach of the registry has expanded with DoR, the Colorado Criminal Information Center (CCIC computers) or the NCIA computers.

Perhaps this bill should 'morph' into something that corrects/controls the CDPHE violations instead of attacking the constitution, patients, caregivers or doctors who have done nothing wrong let alone illegal?

And finally, we'd like to present issues you might not have heard from others:

The CO Supreme Court has agreed to rule on what "lawful" means when it comes to cannabis. PCRLP has an amicus brief in Coats v. Dish Network arguing that A20 made MMJ "lawful" in 2000 for qualifying patients, caregivers and doctors under BOTH state and federal law-and that patients have "rights", not "loopholes", not privileges you all can violate, twist and ignore.

We are asking the Justices to overturn the Appeals Court ruling that says all cannabis is still ILLEGAL in Colorado. Briefs have been in their hands since March 2014, oral arguments were Sept. 30th, 2014 and a ruling could happen any day.

If the Supreme Court rules in favor of the PCRLP arguments as presented, everything the GA has ever passed regarding MMJ patients, caregivers and doctors will be null and void. The AG points this out in his Coats amicus.

And IF the High Court agrees with the Appeals Court ruling and the AG's amicus in Coats (that all cannabis is still illegal in CO) well then all the paperwork, registering, taxation and licensing being 'required' by the state for all cannabis will be illegal due to self incrimination under the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution, the US Supreme Court ruling in Leary v. USA (1969) and the CO Supreme Court ruling in the People v. Duleff (1973, based on Leary).

And IF it's ruled illegal in CO by the High Court - the entire state licensing program and all taxation would be considered an "ongoing criminal enterprise" (that launders tens of millions in illegal drug money through JP Morgan Chase Bank) under the CSA. This "criminal enterprise" would include the general assembly who vote to pass rules and regs on behalf of and in advancement for the "criminal enterprise". This "criminal enterprise" would be forced to shut down under state law and if there is justice, people should go to jail under RICO.

And to get this shut down of a the states criminal enterprise moving along IF the High Court rules against 'cannabis being "lawful"', Rob Corry is my attorney (not the PCRLP) in a suit filed in November 2014 against Governor Hickenlooper, Mayor Hancock, DoR and the Denver Treasury based on the 5th Amendment/self incrimination/unlawful profiting, Leary and Duleff.

It's appalling that the state of Colorado is arguing in Coats v. Dish that ALL cannabis is illegal under A20 and A64 and that patients have no rights and then arguing in our self incrimination lawsuit in a lower court that voters went to the polls and voted yes on A20 and A64 intending to legalize the states "ongoing criminal enterprise" and money laundering only but intending to keep cannabis ILLEGAL for themselves, their family or their friends.... It's outrageous.

It should be appalling to the GA that the AG is arguing that YOU are all breaking the law in Coats.

The only language PCRLP believes is lawful (because of the Clendenin ruling by the Court of Appeals) and can support in the '2-20-15, not on the state website draft' we see is:

(e.5) "SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY" MEANS FOR MANAGING THE WELL-BEING OF A PATIENT THAT THE CAREGIVER IS INVOLVED IN BASIC OR INSTRUMENTAL ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING. CULTIVATING OR TRANSPORTING MARIJUANA AND THE ACT OF ADVISING A PATIENT ON WHICH MEDICAL MARIJUANA PRODUCTS TO USE AND HOW TO DOSE THEM CONSTITUTES A "SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY".

Kathleen Chippi
PCRLP

February 26, 2015 at 5:54am

 

[Avinash.miles]

from a well known lobbyist in denver; much more pressing than the previous post;

SB-14 (The Caregiver Bill) is a go today. I know the weather is bad but please try to be there to testify! This bill must die today!!! They need to hear from all of you! Patients will die if this bill passes. Sadly, there are some owners in the industry supporting this out of greed. We need all of you to speak up! It is in Health and Human Services at 1:30. It is at the Capitol in Rm 352. If you can not make it please flood the Committee and sponsors with phone calls! Sen Aguilar- 303-866-4852, Rep Singer- 303-866-2780 Health and Human Services Committee-

CALL IN TODAY please

 

[Seaf0ur]

Aguilar's keeps going to message, so I stated the case to a machine... damnit

 

[Seaf0ur]

Singer is a sponsor of the bill, but his aide was quite polite nonetheless and listened to my speech...

 

[Avinash.miles]

Kevin Lundberg (Chair)
[email protected]
303-866-4853
Larry Crowder (Vice Chair)
[email protected]
303-866-4875
Irene Aguilar (Senate Sponsor)
[email protected]
303-866-4852
Beth Martinez Humenik
[email protected] 303-866-4863
Linda Newell
[email protected]
303-866-4846

 

[Photosynthesis]

So are they going after caregivers, or high plant counts, or both?

 

[Avinash.miles]

So are they going after caregivers, or high plant counts, or both?

both

 

[Photosynthesis]

I figured.

It wouldn't be the first time I grew illegally. Makes it a bit more exciting that way.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I figured.

It wouldn't be the first time I grew illegally. Makes it a bit more exciting that way.

 

[PuertoviejoKL]

What up folks, hope everyone is doing well, I haven't posted in a while

 

[ubi]

so what happened to sb15-014?????

 

[Seaf0ur]

http://openstates.org/co/bills/2015A/SB15-014/