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Colorado Growers Thread
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RckyMtRdnk
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Was anything decided in regards to caregivers and such?
via the twirling hippy cheesecake lady
too much colorado cannabis in the news to even keep up with.....
basically the state has finally started to look at what chems / pesticides/ fungicides are being used and how they are being used in state licensed facilities; at the same time "cracking down" on caregivers by nearly regulating them out of existence with more and more plant count regulations and municipal zoning code restrictions (size of grow, plant count, materials used to buildout the grow, electrical permits, etc).
ALSO, there is beginning to be some media attention on the quality or rather SAFETY and purity of the cannabis and cannabis products on the market from state licensed outlets and grows.....
here is a good example:
http://www.ibtimes.com/marijuanas-d...ontains-pesticides-heavy-metals-fungi-1856116
"Marijuana’s ‘Dirty’ Secret: Colorado Pot Often Contains Pesticides, Heavy Metals And Fungi, Study Finds
By Philip Ross @ThisIsPRo [email protected] on March 23 2015 3:12 PM EDT
New research revealed Monday today’s pot is two to three times more potent than the weed of the 1980s. Reuters
Much of the marijuana sold in Colorado pot shops is polluted with pesticides, heavy metals and fungi, and often contains little cannabidiol, the “good” ingredient in cannabis, a study found. The surprising results of the investigation into the composition of the state’s legal weed, a product that is highly regulated but seldom tested for contaminants, were unveiled Monday at the national meeting of the American Chemical Society in Denver.
"It's pretty startling just how dirty a lot of this stuff is," Andy LaFrate, founder of Charas Scientific, a Denver lab licensed to test cannabis, told Smithsonian Magazine. While dispensaries are now required to have their products routinely tested for potency, state regulators have been slow to enforce rules regarding the testing of marijuana for impurities. In Washington state, which legalized marijuana for recreational use the same year as Colorado, officials were quick to begin analyzing cannabis products for things like E. coli, salmonella and yeast mold, which led to 13 percent of pot products sold there last year being rejected for failing such safety tests, Smithsonian said.
The study found today’s legal weed is much more potent than the pot of 30 years ago. In many cases, samples tested today contained two to three times as much tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the high-inducing ingredient in cannabis, as marijuana in the 1980s.
In decades past, weed typically contained less than 10 percent THC, NBC News reported. Modern pot contains on average 18 percent to 30 percent THC, a claim supported by previous marijuana potency tests. Such powerful pot is the result of decades of selective breeding and improved cultivation techniques that allow growers to favor certain compounds in the plant, including pot’s psychedelic ingredient.
LaFrate’s team tested hundreds of strains of marijuana from dozens of Colorado producers using a method of separating a product’s individual compounds called liquid chromatography. Much of the weed they analyzed came from recreational pot stores, the first of which opened in January 2014. They discovered marijuana samples frequently contained fungi, bacteria and heavy metals, which the plant can absorb from the soil in which it is grown. Marijuana edibles -- food products infused with cannabis -- were found to contain solvents like butane, a potentially dangerous substance linked to heart muscle sensitization.
Among researchers’ other discoveries was many medical marijuana strains contained little cannabidiol, the compound in pot that is used to treat a range of ailments from anxiety to Alzheimer’s. They found the average amount of cannabidiol in Colorado’s medical marijuana was just 0.1 percent.
"It's disturbing to me because there are people out there who think they're giving their kids Charlotte's Web,” LaFrate told NBC News, referring to a form of concentrated cannabis used to treat epilepsy in children. “And you could be giving them no CBD -- or even worse, you could be giving them a THC-rich product which might actually increase seizures.” "/end article
I absolutely HATE how this article makes it seem like THC has NO MEDICAL BENEFIT AT ALL and CBD is the only good part of the plant, while all actual research shows them to be most effective in combination with each other. Imo THC has equal medical potential as CBD; this fucking article would have your think otherwise.
BUT that is beside the point, it's a distraction in a poorly written peice.... however, the MAIN POINT is right there in the title, contaminates, toxins.
another story on NPR, same gist, contaminated but strong....
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...g-legal-marijuana-strong-but-not-always-clean
basically the state has finally started to look at what chems / pesticides/ fungicides are being used and how they are being used in state licensed facilities; at the same time "cracking down" on caregivers by nearly regulating them out of existence with more and more plant count regulations and municipal zoning code restrictions (size of grow, plant count, materials used to buildout the grow, electrical permits, etc).
ALSO, there is beginning to be some media attention on the quality or rather SAFETY and purity of the cannabis and cannabis products on the market from state licensed outlets and grows.....
here is a good example:
http://www.ibtimes.com/marijuanas-d...ontains-pesticides-heavy-metals-fungi-1856116
"Marijuana’s ‘Dirty’ Secret: Colorado Pot Often Contains Pesticides, Heavy Metals And Fungi, Study Finds
By Philip Ross @ThisIsPRo [email protected] on March 23 2015 3:12 PM EDT
New research revealed Monday today’s pot is two to three times more potent than the weed of the 1980s. Reuters
Much of the marijuana sold in Colorado pot shops is polluted with pesticides, heavy metals and fungi, and often contains little cannabidiol, the “good” ingredient in cannabis, a study found. The surprising results of the investigation into the composition of the state’s legal weed, a product that is highly regulated but seldom tested for contaminants, were unveiled Monday at the national meeting of the American Chemical Society in Denver.
"It's pretty startling just how dirty a lot of this stuff is," Andy LaFrate, founder of Charas Scientific, a Denver lab licensed to test cannabis, told Smithsonian Magazine. While dispensaries are now required to have their products routinely tested for potency, state regulators have been slow to enforce rules regarding the testing of marijuana for impurities. In Washington state, which legalized marijuana for recreational use the same year as Colorado, officials were quick to begin analyzing cannabis products for things like E. coli, salmonella and yeast mold, which led to 13 percent of pot products sold there last year being rejected for failing such safety tests, Smithsonian said.
The study found today’s legal weed is much more potent than the pot of 30 years ago. In many cases, samples tested today contained two to three times as much tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the high-inducing ingredient in cannabis, as marijuana in the 1980s.
In decades past, weed typically contained less than 10 percent THC, NBC News reported. Modern pot contains on average 18 percent to 30 percent THC, a claim supported by previous marijuana potency tests. Such powerful pot is the result of decades of selective breeding and improved cultivation techniques that allow growers to favor certain compounds in the plant, including pot’s psychedelic ingredient.
LaFrate’s team tested hundreds of strains of marijuana from dozens of Colorado producers using a method of separating a product’s individual compounds called liquid chromatography. Much of the weed they analyzed came from recreational pot stores, the first of which opened in January 2014. They discovered marijuana samples frequently contained fungi, bacteria and heavy metals, which the plant can absorb from the soil in which it is grown. Marijuana edibles -- food products infused with cannabis -- were found to contain solvents like butane, a potentially dangerous substance linked to heart muscle sensitization.
Among researchers’ other discoveries was many medical marijuana strains contained little cannabidiol, the compound in pot that is used to treat a range of ailments from anxiety to Alzheimer’s. They found the average amount of cannabidiol in Colorado’s medical marijuana was just 0.1 percent.
"It's disturbing to me because there are people out there who think they're giving their kids Charlotte's Web,” LaFrate told NBC News, referring to a form of concentrated cannabis used to treat epilepsy in children. “And you could be giving them no CBD -- or even worse, you could be giving them a THC-rich product which might actually increase seizures.” "/end article
I absolutely HATE how this article makes it seem like THC has NO MEDICAL BENEFIT AT ALL and CBD is the only good part of the plant, while all actual research shows them to be most effective in combination with each other. Imo THC has equal medical potential as CBD; this fucking article would have your think otherwise.
BUT that is beside the point, it's a distraction in a poorly written peice.... however, the MAIN POINT is right there in the title, contaminates, toxins.
another story on NPR, same gist, contaminated but strong....
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...g-legal-marijuana-strong-but-not-always-clean
Meanwhile, right now, at this moment, 10am mountain time in denver :
text of the labeling bill:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cl...17AEC63687257DBD005D918C?Open&file=136_01.pdf
text of the labeling bill:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cl...17AEC63687257DBD005D918C?Open&file=136_01.pdf
meanwhile:
http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...colorado-denver-caregiver-pot-grows/70353430/
"Denver to shutter noncommercial pot grows
DENVER — Most people know that Colorado law allows you to get marijuana in a store or grow it at home, but fewer people know of the third option: use of a caregiver.
Caregivers grow marijuana on behalf of medical marijuana patients and they're finding themselves under the microscope as Colorado's commercial pot industry establishes itself.
Denver's City Council voted 11-0 Monday to limited noncommercial pot-growing operations to 36 plants. Roughly 60 pot-growing sites will be affected by the new ordinance.
In a 16,000 square foot warehouse near Evans and Broadway in Denver, a group of caregivers grow pot for medical marijuana patients.
The facility is newly renovated and its owners have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in upgrades to accommodate a series of growrooms.
TAILOR-MADE MEDICINE
Facilities like this grow pot for patients like 15-year-old Coltyn Turner, who was diagnosed with severe Crohn's disease at the age of 11.
"Eventually I wound up in a wheelchair because I had zero energy," Coltyn said. "I couldn't stand up for longer than a minute."
He's out of the wheelchair now.
Coltyn, his parents, and two siblings all moved to Colorado from Illinois so he could get marijuana to treat his disease.
As he was laid up in bed at the Mayo Clinic, his mother Wendy says the staff gave them bad options.
Colton could undergo surgery to remove part of his colon, which would prevent his body from growing to its adult size.
Alternatively, they could try prescriptions with a high risk of lymphoma.
Or ...
"They said try holistic treatments, try alternative methods," Wendy Turner said. "I was like, 'I don't know what you're talking about,' and they were like 'research a little bit what's going on in Colorado.'"
Coltyn's caregiver provides him with capsules of marijuana oil to swallow. He takes four capsules a day.
His marijuana plants are a specific strain that does contain THC, the compound found in most marijuana which produced a high, but also CBD, another cannabinoid which shows promise for treating a range of diseases from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's.
His family jokes about Coltyn having the "munchies," which is better than the alternative. He didn't used to have much of an appetite.
Within six months on marijuana treatment, Wendy says Coltyn went into clinical remission.
Patients with cancer, seizures, and other illnesses can all benefit from different strains of pot with specialized amounts of cannabinoids, something that can be difficult if not impossible to find in regulated shops.
"You can't go to a dispensary and get Coltyn's oil," Wendy said.
PROBLEMS AT LARGE GROWS
On the flipside, the city of Denver says it's seen problems when caregivers band together to have large grows.
City staffers say "unsafe conditions in the grows are a risk to employees, neighbors, city inspectors, first responders and others."
They collected photos showing overloaded electrical circuits, unsafe storage of chemicals and fire code violations.
The city council voted to break it all up, with the idea being that each caregiver should have his or her own facility.
The ordinance limits caregiver grows to 36 plants or less.
Unless they get an exemption, caregivers are only supposed to grow on behalf of five or fewer patients and Colorado's constitution allows each resident to possess up to six plants for personal use.
Denver came up with 36 to allow six plants per patient and an additional six for the caregiver's own use.
Caregivers argue that the people who aren't violating safety codes shouldn't be punished because others are running unsafe operations.
"The city's been out here, the city's inspected it. Most importantly, the city's approved it," said attorney Harvey Steinberg. "They had to give their stamp of approval for the business to continue."
A THREAT TO THE LICENSED MARKET
Caregivers think this is more about the city's other argument; that caregivers cut into the business of the licensed pot shops.
"These non-licensed facilities undermine the legal, regulated marijuana market that Colorado and Denver have worked hard to establish," city staffers wrote in a memo on the proposed ordinance.
Steinberg says that mentality comes from the newer commercial pot companies, which he sees as the driver for this proposal.
"It's the same old story, 'let's put the mom and pop shops out of business. We want the entire pie,'" Steinberg said.
Caregivers say they should be able to share business costs by joining for grows. It allows them to save on things like security, electricity, and other expenses.
The city argues the caregiver law was never meant to create large grows in the first place.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
(KUSA-TV © 2015 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)"
http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...colorado-denver-caregiver-pot-grows/70353430/
"Denver to shutter noncommercial pot grows
DENVER — Most people know that Colorado law allows you to get marijuana in a store or grow it at home, but fewer people know of the third option: use of a caregiver.
Caregivers grow marijuana on behalf of medical marijuana patients and they're finding themselves under the microscope as Colorado's commercial pot industry establishes itself.
Denver's City Council voted 11-0 Monday to limited noncommercial pot-growing operations to 36 plants. Roughly 60 pot-growing sites will be affected by the new ordinance.
In a 16,000 square foot warehouse near Evans and Broadway in Denver, a group of caregivers grow pot for medical marijuana patients.
The facility is newly renovated and its owners have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in upgrades to accommodate a series of growrooms.
TAILOR-MADE MEDICINE
Facilities like this grow pot for patients like 15-year-old Coltyn Turner, who was diagnosed with severe Crohn's disease at the age of 11.
"Eventually I wound up in a wheelchair because I had zero energy," Coltyn said. "I couldn't stand up for longer than a minute."
He's out of the wheelchair now.
Coltyn, his parents, and two siblings all moved to Colorado from Illinois so he could get marijuana to treat his disease.
As he was laid up in bed at the Mayo Clinic, his mother Wendy says the staff gave them bad options.
Colton could undergo surgery to remove part of his colon, which would prevent his body from growing to its adult size.
Alternatively, they could try prescriptions with a high risk of lymphoma.
Or ...
"They said try holistic treatments, try alternative methods," Wendy Turner said. "I was like, 'I don't know what you're talking about,' and they were like 'research a little bit what's going on in Colorado.'"
Coltyn's caregiver provides him with capsules of marijuana oil to swallow. He takes four capsules a day.
His marijuana plants are a specific strain that does contain THC, the compound found in most marijuana which produced a high, but also CBD, another cannabinoid which shows promise for treating a range of diseases from Parkinson's to Alzheimer's.
His family jokes about Coltyn having the "munchies," which is better than the alternative. He didn't used to have much of an appetite.
Within six months on marijuana treatment, Wendy says Coltyn went into clinical remission.
Patients with cancer, seizures, and other illnesses can all benefit from different strains of pot with specialized amounts of cannabinoids, something that can be difficult if not impossible to find in regulated shops.
"You can't go to a dispensary and get Coltyn's oil," Wendy said.
PROBLEMS AT LARGE GROWS
On the flipside, the city of Denver says it's seen problems when caregivers band together to have large grows.
City staffers say "unsafe conditions in the grows are a risk to employees, neighbors, city inspectors, first responders and others."
They collected photos showing overloaded electrical circuits, unsafe storage of chemicals and fire code violations.
The city council voted to break it all up, with the idea being that each caregiver should have his or her own facility.
The ordinance limits caregiver grows to 36 plants or less.
Unless they get an exemption, caregivers are only supposed to grow on behalf of five or fewer patients and Colorado's constitution allows each resident to possess up to six plants for personal use.
Denver came up with 36 to allow six plants per patient and an additional six for the caregiver's own use.
Caregivers argue that the people who aren't violating safety codes shouldn't be punished because others are running unsafe operations.
"The city's been out here, the city's inspected it. Most importantly, the city's approved it," said attorney Harvey Steinberg. "They had to give their stamp of approval for the business to continue."
A THREAT TO THE LICENSED MARKET
Caregivers think this is more about the city's other argument; that caregivers cut into the business of the licensed pot shops.
"These non-licensed facilities undermine the legal, regulated marijuana market that Colorado and Denver have worked hard to establish," city staffers wrote in a memo on the proposed ordinance.
Steinberg says that mentality comes from the newer commercial pot companies, which he sees as the driver for this proposal.
"It's the same old story, 'let's put the mom and pop shops out of business. We want the entire pie,'" Steinberg said.
Caregivers say they should be able to share business costs by joining for grows. It allows them to save on things like security, electricity, and other expenses.
The city argues the caregiver law was never meant to create large grows in the first place.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
(KUSA-TV © 2015 Multimedia Holdings Corporation)"
RckyMtRdnk
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caregivers should be allowed to be legal competition for the dispos and rec shops
RckyMtRdnk
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Totally agreed!
RckyMtRdnk
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A statewide boycott of dispensaries and rec shops would be hilarious in my opinion. It would put some of these careless large scale growers in their place along with their chemicals. They don't care about patients or there wouldn't have been such nasty contamination to begin with. Again, just my worthless opinion.
they will use whatever is deemed "acceptable" by regulatory boards... I personally have higher standards. I'll cut down everything if I have a need to use chems for insects... In fact, I just did due to hemp russets... lost 2 months of veg to start veg all over with new cuts from the treated plants... name one commercial grow who would do that? nobody... youd just end up smoking more avid phantom pylon or whatever in your finished product...
RckyMtRdnk
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See, that's different! You have to use chemicals sometimes, but you don't have to sell treated plant matter, if, when the chemicals are used, they are used in a responsible manner, like your example. Losing two months of veg is out of the question for commercial ops. Too much money invested to consider any kind of mass plant genocide. Their consideration, rather, is on masking the problem with all the other "icides" they can find. It seems too much responsibility has been handed to irresponsible greedy people, again, without consideration for patient safety ever being a big priority. Not that I am surprised in the least little bit whatsoever. I wish some type of Cesar Chavez type movement would take over and boycott the shit outta them like back in the day....
I know right.... I'm lookin at 6 inch plants when I should be close to harvest... basically lost 1 run... they vegged for 2 months, I treated them a couple weeks, then waited for cuts to root... now I'm waitin on veg again... got empty jars lookin up at me... feelsbadman.jpg
lol... jars aint empty yet, but still... runnin low.
lol... jars aint empty yet, but still... runnin low.
sadly i agree that not giving business to dispensaries is an option for striking back
BUT
dont have to call it a boycot....
just say "for your health, dont buy it"
easier for people to act in self interest that in an activist kind of way like a "boycott".
RckyMtRdnk
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The local news is already saying that pretty much.
Photosynthesis
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The big dogs don't want anyone else on the porch with them.
The little dogs don't want the fleas the big dogs have.
And so goes capitalism.
The little dogs don't want the fleas the big dogs have.
And so goes capitalism.
well then.... let the boycott begin. next find a reporter willing to talk to some of the more responsible caregivers.
RckyMtRdnk
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I thought we shouldn't call it a boycott
Photosynthesis
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It clearly needs to be a
"Budcott"
It will make a good sound bite. You're welcome.
"Budcott"
It will make a good sound bite. You're welcome.
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