CANNAS TIP ON HIGHER YIELDS!!!!!!

[bonecarver_OG]

hehe hehe im not going to argue Gaius pheno of the WW looks like it KICKS ASS (sorry for the language hehe)

i dont really know what ppl do get normally indoors using coco but i guess the rule is a gram per W?

every one has had that special one (or many ) harvest that one allways remembers and wants to reproduce itd be fun to know what tech was used and aditional info etc ? anyone up for it?

ok:
THIS IS A COMPARATIVE STUDY - JUST TO SHOW THE VARIETY IN METHODS AND HARVESTS
the best i gotten was 1,33 grams/W and since that im trying to reproduce the same factors or if why not - improve it!

my record yield using one 600W is just about 800 grams - hand watered daily - during winter with ideal temps and 25 plants. used pelemix coco, and canna nutes. - space - about 1,5 x 1,2 meters. took me about 3 months to smoke it. it was my 2006 winter harvest grew mainly ssh x ptk and ptk/scbb x ptk in that grow.

its going to be fun to see other ppls numbers. im 100% sure drip must yield better! ive been a firm believer of that since i saw my first hydro nugs! dripp, ebb flow, or nft, aero etc must all yield better than hand watered! if not - the comercial vegetableand flower market wouldn't be dependant on that tech.

i have been planning a loong time to set up my drips again (i only used it once during a summer indoor grow (40+ celsius) and it helped a lot indeed) but it did not give em a chanse to show me all their splendor.

i have been setting my mind on swapping entirelly to drip next winter when i move to my new quarters. i will have space for a big tank and allthe plants i want - so i need to be able to not to be too dependant on the watering etc - and this far i thought drip..



the one winter harvest im longing to get again




the summer drip atempt






so me - i for one believe in drip

 

[Guest]

http://www.canna.nl/english/index1.html

This is one of the better sites for Canna information...

...and ICMag of course


GrowInfo>Publications>root development section it states...

Generally speaking, media with a lower moisture content (50-60%) give higher yields than media with higher moisture contents. By keeping it drier 5-10% more yield was achieved...

If they are right... if Gaius or someone else with the same drip schedule were to use some kind of coarse coco like the profit disks.. they would yield 5-10%.. ? Considering the coarse stuff drys up pretty quick, more waterings with that should be the equivalent of watering once a day with the regular coco.. would the coarse coco (and frequent waterings) not provide the same 3% (if not more) extra air that once a day watering claims to do..??? I think it does!


...How do you go about checking root humidity?

 

[thc43]

Root humidity um new to me i have a mate that uses cheep digi moisture meters in the coco to tell when to hand water i used one and killed it within a month must keep probe dry it seems sitting in coco all the time turned to copper or bronse probe to rust and there cheep green yellow, ogange, red LEDs but can never make up it mind always reads yellow or orange or both , weight of pot would be as good a indercation of when to water unless scrogged then that becomes hard. Colour of the coco works for me if its starts getting too dark im normally over watering + 15% waste in atleast one feed per day.

Thanks for the link Indica/ sativa my local canna site has gone all lame on me, no more tips from the dutch, but i know how to clone tomatos, grow strawberries and know where coco comes from...

My biggest yield came from 100% coco in 55litre pots 1 plant per light. Drip fed three times a day. At my local grow shop the owner makes mini coco pot grows for begginers, basicly a pot in a pot top pot full of coco with many holes drilled at base and on the lower sides of the pot.. An air stone can be used to bubble the 1inch of waste in the bottom pot. there designed for single pot grows handwatered or satalite style run to waste..

 

[clowntown]

Wow great information mojo; gotta go back and read your thread from the beginning now...

 

[Kenny Lingus]

More air in the canna-coco: COGR!?!

More air in the canna-coco: COGR!?!

There seem to be so much more flexibility with them cogr slabs and nutes than the regular Canna Coco line, but I must admit that following GM's recipe have finally made me go yonder the mythical gpw-limit, and I'm boldly pushing for 1,5gpw now.

I use drip -recovery this time, and I have just reduced from 5 to 4 to 3 cycles a day during my 3 coco-grows... There are pros-cons for both IMO. (I prefer less for having a drier topzone of my pots/cubes and prevent gnats and alga that way. But this may lead to thorough rooted slabs that get hard to reuse... And IMO this makes it necessary to have more run-off, thus diluting the res.)

Also new of this 3rd slab run is feeding a hybride of Canna's light-feed schedule and AN's light/moderate-feed schedule. (Cannas full line, plus some AN boosters and organic additives)

-I use this regime, fed 3 times during lights on:

Canna Coco A + B from 0,6-1,2 EC (rooting/veg and until flower cluster forms)

AN Mother Earth Blend Super Tea Bloom: Add up to EC 1,4 from week 3 of bloom. (Contains fish, alga, kelp, ewc, guanos, alfalfa, humics, chitin of krill, etc... In other words: Flavour!)

Canna PK 13/14 up to EC 1,6 in half tank at the end of week 3 (or 4), then back to the A/B and Super Tea at 1,4.

Cannazym and AN Sensizym used 50/50 throughout.
Rhizotonic used as recommended.
Canna Boost/Top Max 50/50

Slabs inoculated with Piranha, Tarantula, Voodoo Juice, Trichoderma, No Mercy Bacterial, GH Bio-Magix, and Bio-Bact. (Even treated one slab with scorpion juice as an experiment)

GH Silca Mix at base of plants and drippers to prevent toxines and fungi...


This combo has worked ok, as the res has been very stable and I love the extra dank scent from my overgrowing plants. I've been very lucky with just Canna's line too, but found the taste a bit simple/one-sided as compared with organics.
Only thing I'm not to happy about is a little overfertingation this time.
-You see; I did only hit 1,3-1,4 in my earlier runs, but only for 3-4days. Even with such a margin I saw some curling leaves and found the buds being a little leafier than usual. Then I read a lot of people claiming that 1,5 was the least that cannabis needed to prosper and that UNDERferting could cause the same symptoms.... So I decided to try it a little higher. (Headed too high then, even though I HAD seen my Jack re-flourish when the EC dumped down at 0,9 after the peaking PK-level.)

I can only conclude with coir being very efficient in delivering the nutrient to the plants and that there are variables in every setting that will make the needs differ. Stability is our best bet when we're aiming for ease and yields, so I'll use a lower EC on average when I drip as little as 3 times daily.

Most people will probably say that this massive additive program is way too much, and I think they may be quit right... I'll probably just go with Canna nutes and a few boosters and inocculators next time.

I'll do the COGR and full AN line of Coco nutes in the fall/winter
-Will NEVER stick to one thing, me stupid jerk

 

[clowntown]

Contains fish, alga, kelp, ewc, guanos, alfalfa, humics, chitin of krill, etc... In other words: Flavour!

Sorry to get off-topic, but I'm new to all this and this caught my eye: so... much of the flavor comes from what the plant has been fed, not just genetics? Would this explain the soil / hydro taste difference that people speak of? I've never done a comparison, so I don't know what that difference is. Another thing that comes to mind is GM's comments on how coco grown bud has great taste, similar to soil grown... and how too long of a flush can rob the bud of its flavor... if the previous thing about a big piece of flavor coming from the feed, then how would the synthetic-fed (Canna Coco A+B nutes) plants achieve this?

Could someone please explain the relation between method or medium of growth / nutrients / genetics to flavor and smell?

Previously I thought I would rank potency higher than taste and smell, but nowadays I'm pretty sure taste and smell are more important than potency. Well, at least they're equally important.

 

[gaiusmarius]

no one knows everything, including myself, lmao. yes my system works and certainly seems to get the plants to reach their potential. which is all you can really hope to achieve. which is why it's not so easy to compare gpw numbers if they are not the same strain. there are phenos of Basic Diesel (and many other strains) for example, that make huge colas with only a few days of veg phase. i'm sure if one filled the table with that BD. one would easily get quite a bit over the gpw point. but when it comes to something like my WW for example, it becomes all but impossible to reach above 1.3 gpw. not for lack of trying, believe me.

the other thing to consider when one is talking gpw numbers is the difference in veg time as well as flowering time. if i grow a plant for 1 month in veg and another 3 months in flower, then i better be getting 1.5gpw as it's nearly double the time it takes me to do a run with my system. i put the pre vegged cubes on to the slabs, give them 3 or 4 days to veg in to the coco and bang i switch to 12/12, 9 weeks later it's harvest time. i guess what i'm trying to say is that you have a lot of variables to consider when you compare one growers gpw numbers with an others. i am in fact intending to set up a 2 lamp box with seeds instead of the usual clones. i plan to use the Casey Jones and the Sour Diesel ibl, should be fun as plants from seed tend to go mad growth wise in coco.

basically the important thing is that if you water less, you have to also keep the nutrient level down a bit, otherwise every time the water evaporates it will let the salts get too concentrated and even end up burning the plant.

anyway in the end both methods work and if you are doing a good job of everything else it will for sure give you good results. i'm tempted to do some experimenting next run. it would be very interesting to see which plants do better the ones growing in a total hydroponic environment, or those being watered pretty much like an earth grow. but like i say conditions would have to match otherwise, same strain, same veg time, same amount of medium and climatic conditions. obviously the ec levels couldn't be the same, as they would have to be adapted to the best level for each grow.

what ever the end truth of the matter, it's another great thread subject from good old bonecarver. in the end we never stop learning, at least one hopes not, so thanks for a good read.

 

[gaiusmarius]

the good taste in the plant comes from the genetics, but to reach it's full potential you need to make sure that you starve the plant of N for at least a few days. so because the water soluble canna coco nutes are very easy to flush out of the coco, it makes it easy to make the plants buds as tasty as possible.

you are correct when you say taste and smell are important, although the effect is at least as important. depending on how magical the effect the taste and smell become a bit less important. although luckily it seems that the good stuff also tends to be tasty or at least never unpleasant.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

great posts guys

just 2 things - yep veg time and genetics are important factors on yield.

actualy im thinking someone should invent a new method for comparing harvests.
should be something like "how content am I with the bud, scale 1-10"? really

its all so relative, when we start breaking up and examining what we really do - it certainly shows how many different things that are important to control - be it by feeling, mechanisms or magic.

we are all like alchemists looking for the formula

when u ad to it the different variables we have:
- genetics
- amount of vegetacion and size
- lights/m2
- coco grain/fiber size + moisture retencion/areation
- volume of substrate and drainage
- watering intervals and feeding amounts,
- ph and ec
- and the etceteras: ventilation, temperatures (substrate, and air), Co2, air conditions (humidity)
- and last the aditives/vitamines/boosters etc!


hm hehe its NUT`s isnt it! hehe

and yeah - just got to add i seriously think coco tastes better and MORE than MOST (hehe take note) soil grows. i even got a few stuborn soil growers to admit it when trying the bud of same genetics they grew and what we grow in coco.

i actually think everyone growing in coco should do it - give a soilgrower mate same genetics - and do a blind test with ur mates. u spot the coco on the first drag! sometimes even before u light it - because of the intense flavours.

but still there are those who wrinkle the nose when u say coco - as IF hydro based culture (be it automated or manual) would be something "not wanted"

 

[Kenny Lingus]

Taste in coco

Taste in coco

hehehe...I've also experienced stubborn old hippies choosing canna coco buds as sweeter than organic coco and soil buds... (Not saying much about the watering cycle though! Or does it!?! My hippiefriend was "drenching" his clones and basically overfeeding compacted megasized pots of ric soilmix)

-Myself,I find it easier to get tasty buds w/coco (only flush 4-5days and the budleaves starts yellow out) And did I mention it has out yielded my other techniques!?! However there seem to be some nuances lacking compared to other fully organic experiences...

Marius or anyone: Do you find the Canna Boosters to make any difference taste wise, or will the regular AB nutes make the same full and rich flavours?

If so I should just give it a try, instead of plundering with all kinda add-ins.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Hey Kenny Lingus,

it's difficult for me to say, as i seldom smoke bud that wasn't grown on coco. and when i do get a chance to smoke bio earth grown, it isn't automatically more tasty, in fact i find my coco grown stuff has an intensity of flavor and taste that is hard to beat. i have a feeling a lot of this is due to the fact that a bio garden fed with organics will not be as easy or quick to starve the plants of N. your mixture has to be perfect for the slowly broken down and used up organic nutrients to be used up at the right time. it gives you less control over what food gets to the plants when, but if you get it right i'd imagine you get the best possible results. using water soluble nutrients in earth will also result in incredibly tasty buds, as they are easy to flush out.

as for the canna bioboost, which is the only one i can really tell you about having used it over a longer period. i do believe that my crops came out that little bit sweeter somehow. but i couldn't swear to the difference.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

i find my coco grown stuff has an intensity of flavor and taste that is hard to beat.

exactly!



some of the best buds i have smoked soilgrown were of one of my icmag buddies. he has grow for about 25 years. and been active on the net for a long time. i got to say his results are more consistent than mine. but all that experience has lead to perfection i bet. he must know his method so good.

i hope in 20 years im still growing



peace

 

[thescientist]

I just wanna say that I said all this and you all freaked. Like I said the Idea that you need to water untill runoff is played. I brought new info and you all flamed me. So whatever, I have alot more info on all this but you gotta P.M. me. And If you werent a jerk to me cool If you were just say you are sorry and we are cool. Thcientist ---out.

 

[thescientist]

on quick thing, I recommend at least a 2 week flush. Just water. 8wk Plants dont need anything after week 5 really.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

as for the canna bioboost, which is the only one i can really tell you about having used it over a longer period. i do believe that my crops came out that little bit sweeter somehow. but i couldn't swear to the difference.

Just got to agree 200% with this

this last bunch of buds i pulled with mostly using bioboost - i went thru 3 bottles during flowering - and the taste is more sweeter than ever before!

great product!

 

[Guest]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thescientist again.

 

[wygram]

Bah. I actually thought I was posting in the handwater thread. I wonder why I make mistakes?

 

[bonecarver_OG]

try that question in the handwatering coco thread - and more users can give u an answer

 

[simba]

alll these latest greatest tips to improve yield.. LOL

any rate when i do CoCo. (Via B'cuzz Bounce)
i like to let them dry out a bit (ends up being one watering a day, nice room temps though also..)
i do that because i thought it brought plants back to nature and needing to work its roots for water and that cylce of wet and drying out vs keeping it sopping all day.. ..
yield goes up but i duno bout as much as said
. all these percentages.. LOL..
i wonder if any strains like wet feet vs dry feet..
im sure some strains prefer wetter feet or drier feet..

also been mixing higromite with the bounce..

 

[wygram]

I visited a Himalayan country earlier this summer. Ganja or probably something more similar to wild hemp grew everywhere. (I am going to see if any of the beans I have germ) Farmers would feed it to their pigs because it was free and helped stimulate their appetite! The moral of the story is that the highest concentrations of plants were in the crooks of hillsides where there was running water. I don't mean a raging river, but a visible trickle. They also grew in very loose and porous soil (sand). I have to find my CDs with pics for the good pictures.