Can I Help U Free Yourself from Tobacco?

[YourHighness]

I'm In

I'm In

So if it is official I'm in. I'm about to turn "Closer to 50 than 20" and have smoked for 19 years. The longest I've gone tobaccoless was 3 weeks in that time. I smoke 1- 1 1/2 packs a day and I have smoked as much as 3 packs a day for a few years during my 20's. So you BOG are putting up a pack of Which seeds? I PM you with my quit date and 90 days after quitting nets me Health and seeds? I NEED to quit but laughing and crying on this thread may have given me some insight. The World needs more Bushy thinkers.

 

[Zoe]

Help!!!!!!

Help!!!!!!

Heavenhigh I HAVE to quit by the 24th !!!!!!!!or I lose my man......Help.!!!!!!!I have been doing nicotine for 40 years. I'm screwed loose on this addition..........HUGS..... I am ashamed that I smoke cigs......

 

[grwdank v2.0]

i made up my mind last night, i havent smoked since then, chewin the nic gum now tho.. i will beat this! peace....

 

[EHP]

Both Tobacco & Pot Can Cause Cancer

Both Tobacco & Pot Can Cause Cancer

So let us not fool ourselves though pot is the lesser of the two evils (imo)

To sum it up, we all need some sort of vice to help relieve stress. If you smoke the herb there should be no need for tobacco. ALL my spliffs are PURE

 

[bubbleman]

RADIOACTIVE NUCLEOTIDES

RADIOACTIVE NUCLEOTIDES

I guess i should have been more careful with my words . Yes they are Indeed ELements, but they do break down . here is what i should have written by saying that polonium 210 and lead 210 DESCENd from radium 226.
I did a little searching and found some interesting papers. Here's what they had to say about those particular ELEMENTS

"In the 1960s, investigators reported that lead 210 (210Pb) and
polonium 210 (210Po) are present in both gaseous and particulate
phases of tobacco smoke.[2-4] Both radioisotopes descend from radium 226
and its decay product, radon 222. Lead 210 decays by beta particle emission
to bismuth 210, which then decays by beta particle emission to 210Po.
Polonium 210 emits high energy alpha particles (5.3 million eV) and gamma
radiation (550,000 eV) when it decays, becoming stable lead 206.[7,8] "

Tar in tobacco smoke traps 210Po on lung epithelium, particularly at
the bifurcations of peripheral bronchioles, leading to very significant
localized radiation doses.[2,4] It also was reported[2] that as low as 36
rem exposure to bronchial epithelium of a smoker during 25 years of smoking
is significant to the induction of lung cancer due to the coincidental
presence of nonradioactive carcinogens in the smoke.

Some investigators[4] believe the quantities of nonradioactive carcinogens
in tobacco smoke are too small, by themselves, to generate the lung cancer
rates caused by smoking. Supporting this belief, it has been shown[2,5]
that the urine of smokers contains about six times more 210Po than
the urine of nonsmokers, and that the rate of bladder cancer among smokers
increases in relationship to how much they smoke. Nonradioactive
carcinogens in tobacco tar are not found in the urine of smokers, no matter
how heavily they smoke.[5]

210Pb and 210Po in Leaf Tobacco

The amount of 210Pb and 210Po radioactivity in leaf tobacco is
minute per gram of tobacco. This low concentration of radioisotopes,
however, can accumulate into significant concentrations in and on the
tissues of those who inhale the smoke from burning tobacco.

Tobacco plants absorb 210Pb and 210Po from the soils in which
they grow.[9-13] In addition, tobacco plants gather naturally present radon
222 descendants from the surrounding air.[14,15] Tobacco leaves have sticky
trichomes, or "hairs," on both sides.[9,14] Radon daughter products collect
on aerosols in the atmosphere which, in turn, are captured on the sticky
surfaces of the trichomes. This provides an additional concentration of
210Pb on leaf surfaces beyond its concentration within the whole
leaf.[14] It has been shown[16] that tobacco leaf trichomes capture
atmospheric aerosols, polymerize with them in the heat of burning tobacco
and are present in that form in cigarette smoke.

The 210Po content of tobacco from several countries has been
measured. One report[17] on the radioactivity of tobacco grown in India
indicated that a single Indian-grown tobacco cigarette had a 210Po
complement of up to 0.4 pCi. Another group from India[13] found a great
difference between the 210Po content of Indian-grown tobacco and
tobacco from the United States. The 210Po in Indian tobacco averaged
0.09 pCi per gram, whereas the 210Po in tobacco grown in the United
States averaged 0.516 pCi per gram--about 5 1/2 times as much
radioactivity.

Although such sizable differences in radioactivity concentration in leaf
tobacco may be related to variations in natural fallout, natural soil
radioactivity or absorption differences due to soil pH, another factor may
be responsible. It has been noted[9,19] that modern tobacco farming takes
advantage of special fertilization methods, and that tobacco leaf grown in
soil with low nitrogen levels is "more flavorful" than tobacco leaf grown
in soils high in nitrogen.

To grow this quality of tobacco, farmers in "developed" countries such as
the United States usually fertilize their tobacco fields with chemically
manufactured fertilizer high in phosphate content. Tobacco farmers in
poorer countries do not. The phosphate portion of this fertilizer is made
from a rock mineral, apatite, that is ground to powder, dissolved in acid
and further processed (personal communication, Mobil Mining and Minerals,
Houston, Texas, 1995). Apatite rock contains radium and its many descendant
radioisotopes, including both radioactive lead and polonium.(210Po)
When this type of fertilizer is spread onto tobacco fields year after year,
soil nitrogen is depleted, providing a "more flavorful" smoking tobacco.
The higher the phosphate level of the fertilizer used, the higher the
concentration of 210Pb and 210Po in the tobacco leaves.[19]

A measurement of the 210Po content of mainstream cigarette smoke from
U.S.-grown tobacco is reported to be 0.0263 pCi per cigarette;[20] which is
about 0.1 pCi per milligram of smoke. Other investigators[14] have measured
the 210Po concentration in the mainstream tobacco smoke of one
cigarette as approximately 0.036 pCi, with a corresponding measurement of
0.81 pCi of 210Pb per gram of dry condensate derived from the whole
smoke.

The filtration of mainstream tobacco smoke by ordinary commercial cigarette
filters has a negligible effect on the concentration of radioactivity in
the smoke inhaled into the lungs of smokers.[2,6,19,20] It has been
estimated that the intake of 210Po by a typical smoker is about 0.72
pCi per pack of 20 cigarettes.[21] In another study,[14] it was noted that
210Pb specific activities of 100 pCi per milligram of pyrolized
glandular heads of tobacco leaf trichomes in tobacco smoke often are
reached or exceeded.

It also has been reported[14] that radioactive lead and polonium are
adsorbed onto tobacco smoke particles vented into room air from burning
tobacco, where they remain suspended and available until inhaled as
"secondhand" smoke by anyone present in the room.

Concentrations of 210Pb and 210Po

In the Bodies of Those Who Inhale Tobacco Smoke

Compared to nonsmokers, heavy smokers essentially have four times greater
radioisotope density throughout their lungs.[21] It has been estimated[22]
that the 210Po content of blood in smokers averages 1.72 pCi per
kilogram and, in nonsmokers, 0.76 pCi per kilogram. Concentrations of
210Pb and 210Po in rib bones and alveolar lung tissue were
found to be twice as high in ax-smokers as in nonsmokers, even a year after
cessation of smoking.[21]

In smokers, the concentration of 210Po directly on epithelial tissue
at segmental bifurcations of bronchioles is two orders of magnitude greater
(i.e., 100 times greater) than is its concentration overall within their
lungs,[23] which already is four times higher in heavy smokers than it is
in nonsmokers.[21] Other investigators[24] found that the lungs, blood and
livers of smokers contained significantly more 210Po than did those
of nonsmokers.

Dosage from the Radioactivity

From Inhaled Tobacco Smoke

Polonium 210 emits alpha particles upon its decay. Alpha particles have
penetrations limited to about 40 microns or less in animal tissue,[8,25,26]
the aggregate diameter of only several typical cells. Alpha particle
radiation has a very destructive effect on animal tissue because virtually
all of its very high ionizing energy is expended within the tissue. Due to
its double positive charge, limited range in tissue and enormously high
energy, an alpha particle can produce huge numbers of ion pairs in
substances with which it interacts. For example, 20,000 ion pairs can be
produced per alpha particle per centimeter path length in air.[8] DNA
chromosome damage by alpha particle radiation is much greater, by 100
times, than by exposure of DNA to other types of radiation.[19]




\
ALSO a few good links






http://http://www.webspawner.com/users/radioactivefood/ http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Prohibiti...rijuana/Health and Medicine/Mixing with Death http://www.webspawner.com/users/radioactivefood/

 

[bubbleman]

here is the second half of what was written. as it is all great reading!!!!!



"The radiation dose from 210Po alpha particle radiation has been
measured as 82.5 millirads per day for heavy smokers.[27] Extrapolating
this measurement, doses of 30.1 rads per year and 752.5 rads per 25 years
of smoking two packs of cigarettes per day are calculated. Such a radiation
exposure dose rate is about 150 times higher than the approximately 5
rem([dagger]) per 25 years received from natural background radiation
sources.[2] Interestingly, many of the lung cancers contracted by cigarette
smokers are adenocarcinomas, a type of lung cancer that can be caused by
alpha particle radiation from 210Po.[19]

In localized areas of tissue that surround deposits of insoluble
210Pb particles, the dose rate from 210Po alpha particle
radiation can be from 100 to 10,000 times that of natural background
radiation sources.[19] The "low-polonium" tobacco grown in India provides
its users with a lung burden of about 24 millirads a day[13]--or 219 rads
during 25 years of smoking. This is about 40 times the exposure rate from
natural background radiation inhaled from the earth's atmosphere.[2] Other
researchers[2,4,14,26,28] have estimated that a range of dose rates from
210Po alpha particle exposure of lung epithelial tissue in smokers is
from 165 rem to 1000 rem over a period of 25 years.

Carcinogenicity of Low Dose Rate Radiation Exposure

Those who directly inhale tobacco smoke receive alpha particle bombardment
totalling many rads over many years of smoking.[14,23,27,28] The frequency
of harmful effects from low dose rate radiation exposure is proportional to
the total dose received over time.[29] The risk of cancer initiation for
any cumulative radiation dose increases significantly at lower dose rates
in accordance with the lengthening of exposure periods[14] such as those
experienced by smokers. Investigators have shown that inhalation of tobacco
smoke causes more DNA damage in smokers than in nonsmokers.[30] DNA damage
is reported to be associated with cancer initiation.[19]

Lung cancer has been induced in test animals using less than one-fifth the
210Po exposure experienced by a two-pack-a-day smoker during 25 years
of smoking.[31] It has been suggested[19,32] that 210Po accounts for
many, if not all, cigarette smoke-induced lung cancers.

Polonium 210 is a "bone seeker." In other words, bone tissue avidly takes
up available 210Po.[8] Ionizing radiation delivered to bone marrow at
relatively low rates (e.g., 7 rads to 13 rads total exposure) has been
reported[33] to induce the onset of leukemia at relatively high rates per
red of exposure.

Despite this evidence, there has been doubt concerning the role of
radioactivity in general and 210Po, specifically, as prime cancer
initiators in those who inhale tobacco smoke.[26,34] Because polonium is
water soluble, could it linger in the lungs long enough to cause cancer?

It might ordinarily be thought that inhaled 210Pb particles and
210Po would be readily cleared from the lungs by ciliary action or be
otherwise excreted, even though tobacco smoke inhalation results in
decreased ciliary activity in the bronchioles.[35,36] However, a continuing
alpha particle bombardment from 210Po is caused by pockets, or
concentrations, of insoluble 210Pb and polymerized tobacco leaf
trichome-210Pb entities because the 210Pb decays to become
210Pb[7,8] in or on the affected tissue.[14,15,19] Another impediment
to clearance of 210Po from the lungs of those who inhale tobacco
smoke is the "locking down" of the radioisotope by tobacco tar present in
the smoke.[2,4,23,26,32]

Much of the experimental work performed to assess the carcinogenicity of
tobacco smoke has been done using mouse skin assays in which tobacco smoke
distillates are placed onto shaved areas of mouse skin to look for
development of cancer.[34] However, because of the unique mechanics of
210Pb and 210Po deposition in the lungs, mouse skin assays are
inadequate for assessing the role of those radioisotopes in lung cancer
initiation.[26]

Synergistic Effects from Tobacco Smoke "

peace
bubble man

 

[Guest]

BOG: Big question here how will quiting smoking effect my blood pressure (see the medical forum on a response I made). My BP has gone up fairly suddenly and I'm still smoking but need to quit. Any suggestions?

SKag

 

[daggazee]

bubbleman's research

bubbleman's research

Thanks for the info, bubbleman - that has saved me a Google session

The original radium from which the 210Po and 210Pb are descended is not present in the tobacco - not that this makes it any less scary an explanation.
I used to work in the nuclear industry but got out after 4 years as it scared the crap out of me. I was still dumb enough to smoke cigarettes for another 7 years before giving up. As BOG has said earlier, we are all subject to animal urges - some are easier to resist than others.

Peace..

 

[PhatMan]

well guess it is time for me to quit i have been smoking for about 11yrs, and i love/hate it. out of all the drugs i have done, smoking is the only one that has got its hooks in me, so wish me luck cuz i will need it

peace

PhatMan

 

[hopefulgrower]

hey BOG thanks for sharing this lil bit of help with us,
youve inspired me to quit again, ive been smoking for most of my life and gave up for almost a year, i recently started up again through that evil drink. as you mentioned you let your rules down.

i didnt use patches or gum the last time i quit and am not going to again, i might be hell for the next few days but for me i believe cold turkey is the only way i can do it.

thanks again

~HG

 

[S.A.M.]

D'oh

D'oh

I've been lurking this post for a while since I've quit 12/16/03 after being sick with the flu for three days and not smoking. I figured, the tough first three days were over so why not continue. I managed to keep off of it even when I was hanging out drinking with my friends who all smoke.

Unfortunately, five months later, situation arose where I really craved a cig and gave in. I am really pissed at myself for this. I am currently smoking a cig while posting this

I've tried to quit once before with the patch for a week. Then I decided that the patch was too expensive and decided to quit cold turkey. For a year I was smoke free but quickly started again because all of my friends drink and smoke.

It's a never ending battle but a battle that can be won, taking it one day at a time( I hope). I kinda wish to get sick again to kick the habit again.

But until I get sick again, I don't think I can quit. I hate cigs and would love to be able to quit for the third time but I gots to have it, for now.

Good luck to all who are trying to quit.

And congrats to people who do keep it tobacco free.

SAM

 

[TheIO]

Is the acctual nicotine bad for you? or is it just the tars and shit that really does you in? If you were to smoke tobacco in a vaporizer does it still have the same health risks?

 

[daggazee]

Is nicotine bad for you?
This is taken from
http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/chemical/nicotine.htm

--**--
The mean lethal dose [adult] has been estimated to be 30 to 60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) (Gosselin, 1988).

Nicotine may contribute to tobacco related disease, but direct causation has not been determined because nicotine is taken up simultaneously with a multitude of other potentially harmful substances that occur in tobacco smoke and smokeless tobacco.

Based on its pharmacological actions, it is likely that nicotine plays a role in causing or aggravating acute coronary events. Myocardial infarction can be due to one or more of these recipitating factors: excessive demand for oxygen and substrates; thrombosis; and coronary spasm. Nicotine increases heart rate and blood pressure and,
therefore, myocardial oxygen consumption.
--**--

So, yes, it is bad for you - but nicotine in a vaporizer would probably be less bad than smoking cigarettes.
It is still highly addictive in a way that THC is not.

Peace..

 

[stoned amish]

bad news folks

bad news folks

i've smoked.

i'm going to continue planning quit dates until i make it though, and maybe trying the patch this time. it's a real bitch staying quit!

my next quit date is when my bubblebags arrive, those should keep me occupied. i'll post up when they arrive.

sorry fellas!

 

[TheIO]

Wow, thanks for the info daggazee, really didnt know. I have never smoked a cig in my life and dont know what real addiction is like except maybe computer game addiction(i was playing for 2-3 years 55+ hours a week and i was going to school at the time too) which is supprizingly hard to shake but nothing like nicotine im sure. I really feel for all of you who are makeing the good struggle to quit smoking and keep it up.

Peace,
Theio

 

[baccas125]

new report

new report

closing in on six months and still tobacco free

 

[mybeans420]

proud to say i'm closing on 10 years and i'm not even in my 30s yet

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Nicotine

Nicotine

This drug is addictive and toxic as hell just like strychnine. About the same dosage caused status epilepticus. You seizure to death.

Both are stimulants and most of you would never take strychnine purposely for its stimulant effect now would you.

Using the patch seems counter productive but it really isn't because addiction is a tricky thing. If you miss the substance too much when you quit you are more prone to falling back. Your brain remembers what it wanted so badly when you quit.

Using the patches does allow us to ease out of the addiction and is therefore more sucessful for many in the long run. Never quit quitting because this is the big one. Your health.

I am still alive because I am tobacco free... BOG

You can be too!

 

[Harry Gypsna]

i beenn plannin 2 quit then evil weed as well as smokin ganja, im acyually getting two clear light bulbs today in ordrer 2 follow the build a vapouriser faq on og, cant wait, sick of not being able 2 take a decent hit in my bong, grrrr, lookin 4ward, always. 1st timer uk

 

[Harry Gypsna]

i fdisagree with bog about ciggies bein more addictive than the dreaded lady H, i am a recovering smack addict, of the worst order and ganja really is my friend holding my cout, whilst i knock 7 shades of shit out of my brown habit. i have packed in smokin a few times, and let me tell u, although the pyschological craving is more often(not in extreme cases of heroin use where the user is using multiple grams daily) but the pysical withdrawal is nothing compared to the pain of opiate withdrawal.