Can ANYONE name the poison Eagle 20 with the active ingredient Myclobutanil??

[frostqueen]

Let me clarify the lack of intelligence that went into your thought process

0 chemical inputs equating to 0 chemicals in the output isn't bro science it is a simple product of critical thinking.

Showing interest in a turf product for use on pot FUCKING GENIUS

some people aren't smart enough to discern expertise

who was it that said there was a sucker born every minute?

I mentioned a small portion of the dangers from when this thread started, still waiting for the intellectual bar to be raised enough to drive it deeper into the rabbit hole.

Here is the most unbaised and recent review on the reality of what we know

http://www.coloradogreenlab.com/blo...ntext-of-cannabis-cultivation-and-consumption

Great post, Weird! MORE like this. Not the usual B.S. character attack part, but the link. This is the stuff we need more of.

It seems clear that good studies are needed now regarding the toxicity of this stuff as it burns. I'm not advocating ignoring defined risks; just looking for more solid data regarding what the real risks are here. Stating the difference between metabolizing the chemical via eating vs. it being ignited and inhaled is key information.

The persistence links and this post are great info. To my understanding the Colorado situation involved extremely high levels of the chemical. I wonder how Cali will do with their zero-tolerance rules? Oregon has settled upon .2 ppm; I wonder how they decided on that?

On an anecdotal level: I heard from a friend today that he had 3 strains that were treated with Ea20 at 10 days before going into flower, and then he ran them 8 weeks before harvesting. He had applied at 2.5 ml/gallon, to be specific. He then had these 3 batches tested at a Portland lab and they came back as 'undetectable'. That seems odd to me and I don't honestly buy it; seems like traces would definitely have still been present.

I think part of the problem is the lack of regulation and standards in labs here. That will be changing in July when we have the minimums linked to in my previous post become law. Labs will have to invest in better equipment and the cost of basic compliancy tests will go to as high as $300 per batch.

If it has to be completely zero tolerance for this, I am willing to accept that. I understand that 'absolutely zero' is your own preference. I honestly very rarely use Eagle 20. For some reason every November we have massive problems with powdery here, though. Happens every year, happens to all my pro/warehouse friends, too.

I got powdery this November because I forgot to use Ea20 two weeks before flower like most Novembers. For most of the year just using silica and keeping the plants healthy is enough. But they were in peak health this time and still got it, as with all of my associates. Rather than do anything toxic or using sulfer late in the game I just picked early and cut my losses.

 

[frostqueen]

Oh, and by the by, when was myclobutanil reclassified as ornamental only?

Thousands of table/wine grape, strawberry, etc, growers would find that surprising.

To be fair, fruits and veggies aren't smoked. It is the immolation process that may make this chemical and its break-down chemicals dangerous. The thing is: nobody knows if its dangerous at sub-1ppm levels because no studies have been done.

I'm still not ready to scream 'poison!' from the rooftops yet. While this has helped clarify the situation, I am still interested in wether or not Ea20 can be used very early on in veg during the high-risk powdery season and resulting in .2 ppm or less at testing.

 

[frostqueen]

I'm still wondering where those test results are. Polygon, that's important info regardless of wether the results were what you'd hoped...

 

[Tripsick]

I'm still wondering where those test results are. Polygon, that's important info regardless of wether the results were what you'd hoped...[/QUOTE ]


You can bet those results showed poison..if not they would be flaunted as see how safe it is...

 

[GnarlsBarkley]

I know this is an old thread but people search and read old threads so I wanted to share:

Eagle 20 is deadly when smoked. This is not even a question in my mind at all. I know someone who is in the hospital still because they smoked weed that had Eagle 20 in it and their brain started swelling and had to be medically induced into a coma and will likely have permanent brain damage. We know it's Eagle 20 because the grower admitted to it. Do not use this stuff please!

 

[_tessarecting]

Keep us posted on the details please thats terrible. Can you give more info?

 

[GnarlsBarkley]

I can give more info as more proceeds. The grower claims he had no idea of the bad side effect of Eagle 20. He said he got it from a friend and used it for mites (which is weird to me since I thought it just was a fungicide, right?) Not sure how he's gonna proceed legally if he comes to, we're not sure how he'll even be or anything he lives in WA so noones afraid of the legal aspect over there.

 

[Weird]

I can give more info as more proceeds. The grower claims he had no idea of the bad side effect of Eagle 20. He said he got it from a friend and used it for mites (which is weird to me since I thought it just was a fungicide, right?) Not sure how he's gonna proceed legally if he comes to, we're not sure how he'll even be or anything he lives in WA so noones afraid of the legal aspect over there.

It really isn't that weird as in eagle20 itself isn't made for this kind of crop and even the manufacturer has a crop specific solution with the same active ingredient

this is because most growers are new and DIY weekend warriors like the dudes who go to home depot and ask the guy who stocks shelves how to change an oil burner and think "hey, that sounds easy" they don't do due diligence and educate themselves to proper horticultural practices

 

[Weird]

Where are the dudes who argued tooth and nail to use an inappropriate toxin that is being tested for?

Guess they have as much integrity as everyone else who argued against reality because it wasn't beneficial to their pocket.

I'm still here kids, nothing has gone unnoticed.

I did the right thing, I told you to come correct for your own benefit and a bunch of dudes who mostly no longer come around rode my dick about it

whose the sucker?

http://www.westword.com/news/denver...use-of-banned-pesticides-holds-plants-6654706

 

[Weird]

at thousands a pound there is no excuses for short cuts

 

[Mikell]

Nice conversation you're having with yourself. Apt, as no one but Weird is smart enough to argue with Weird.


No new information beyond "my buddy said"?

Illuminating.

 

[Weird]

Nice conversation you're having with yourself. Apt, as no one but Weird is smart enough to argue with Weird.


No new information beyond "my buddy said"?

Illuminating.

still defending eagle20?

seriously?

wtf is wrong with you?

your a hypocritical trolling POS

WHY? because you argue against neem based on anecdote but advocate a known banned product not meant for use with cannabis

how about advocating known approved botanical / horticultural practices

 

[Weird]

it is banned from use in CO

do you need more than that?

here is a copy of the court complaint

https://www.scribd.com/document/283828835/Marijuana-Pesticide-Complaint

 

[Babbabud]

If they find any trace of Eagle 20 in your Emerald Cup sample you are disqualified...ever wonder why ... duhhh

 

[Weird]

http://mjbizdaily.com/prominent-ca-testing-lab-84-of-mj-samples-contaminated/

84% of growers in cali have mikell's skill set. guess 84% of growers are ignorant enough to get their info from idiots

weak as fcuk

 

[GnarlsBarkley]

Nice conversation you're having with yourself. Apt, as no one but Weird is smart enough to argue with Weird.


No new information beyond "my buddy said"?

Illuminating.

There are plenty of sources that cite the dangers of combusting the ingredients of Eagle 20 (If you're too lazy or incompetent to look it up it turns into cyanide). If you're too dumb to read them at least keep your poison sprayed plants to yourself.

Furthermore, my buddy didn't "say" this happened, he's still in the hospital.

For others who wanted updates I followed up late last night and got word theyre waking him up but will be performing a spinal tap and go from there.

Can't believe people advocate for this shit, so much fucking greed. I've always been against more regulations but now I see we need a whole lot more regulating and enforcing bodies to keep people doing the right thing since they obviously can't be trusted to.

 

[accessndx]

I know this is an old thread but people search and read old threads so I wanted to share:

Eagle 20 is deadly when smoked. This is not even a question in my mind at all. I know someone who is in the hospital still because they smoked weed that had Eagle 20 in it and their brain started swelling and had to be medically induced into a coma and will likely have permanent brain damage. We know it's Eagle 20 because the grower admitted to it. Do not use this stuff please!

So I'm NOT going to argue that Eagle is a healthy product or a vitamin or whatever some folks think it may be...LOL.
Most stuff out there to kill whatever is toxic, mutagenic, teratogenic, etc. (not including the organic stuff).

Smoking Eagle 20 would be a REALLY bad thing as well.

Having said that, there's tons of food that gets imported into the US that has been sprayed with fungacidals, anti-microbials, miticides, etc. You eat the shit every day and don't think about it 2x.
You buy anything processed at all, Campbell's soup, Hungry Man TV dinners, yogurt smoothies...etc....HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE SOURCING THEIR RAW MATERIALS?

Do you call up Nestle, or Procter and Gamble or whoever the frig makes this stuff and ask them to give you their secret inside info?

No of course not, we have lives to live. And if you were that concerned, you'd probably be eating everything organic...getting everything NON-GMO....or even growing your own foods.

I know very few people that make their own bread, or grow their own oranges or whatever....

Now, back to the ACTUAL POINT I was going to make:

Your boy was hospitalized for SOMETHING. You're attributing it to smoking Eagle 20. How PRECISELY do you know that?

Does your friend smoke stuff from only one source that was known to be using Eagle? Does your friend do OTHER drugs? Drugs that could potentially be responsible for the symptoms he is displaying?

Could he have sucked down a bad batch of X? Possibly grabbed some crazy Heroin? Does he have any sort of medical history that could be related to his symptoms.....history of seizures, etc?

Did he go swimming anytime recently or travel somewhere outside the US?

Was he in contact with anyone that was traveling recently?

Did he have any injections or medications administered recently? Like a flu shot or other vaccine?

See where I'm going with this? It's easy to say "My friend smoked Eagle and went to the hospital." But is that TRULY the reason and the ONLY reason?

Once again, this isn't to advocate using Eagle or to smoke anything with Eagle in it. ANYONE that suggests otherwise is an idiot.

This is to say that I OFTEN hear stuff from patients that simply is their ASSUMPTION. I don't need to explain why assumptions aren't always true or diagnostic.

I do feel bad however for your friend in the hospital and hope that he makes a full recovery.

 

[accessndx]

One other note. I have used Eagle before and I would use it again.

I try to take whatever reasonable precautions I can, and ultimately whenever I use any product like Eagle or Avid or whatever.....it's typically months and many generations of plants later that I will actually begin to flower out. I do not believe that it's reasonable to assume there is a high concentration of any of these substances in a large mother plant that was derived from a clone that is several generations away from the original treated plant (which is typically a brand new clone I've just taken and treated via dunk).

If you actually believe that you can treat a clone today with whatever, allow that clone to grow up to a full sized momma.....take clones off that.....let those grow up and then take clones off that....AND there's still anything left over? We're talking months and months and months and months.....with huge vegative growth spurts.

The real question is HOW much and when is it 100% gone? Without laboratory testing there's no way to know, but I'd have to imagine that your clones are not going to contain anything 6 months to 1 year later.

I had to blast shit with Avid about 6 months ago, and I'm just now getting into flowering again because of that treatment I administered.

FTR: I've used organic stuff, I've tried to adjust my parameters. I'm either missing something or the stuff just doesn't work for me. If and when they work FOR ME, that's my 1st line of defense....BUT I'm not going to run around in circles "managing" stuff that can be eradicated with RESPONSIBLE and INFREQUENT applications of anything.

The aholes that are blasting their shit and flowering it out asap for profit are killing folks.
I don't like using these harsh chemicals, but in the past I've found no alternative (after exhausting other options that did not appear to work effectively or for a reasonable duration of time).

So that's my .02

You don't have to agree, but we can agree to disagree.

Just like medicines have side effects that can kill, harm and impair patients that are taking them for the right reasons...we have to acknowledge what is actually happening, what are goals are....and of course assess the risk to reward ratio.

 

[t99]

Any experience with Procidic? Organic and systemic fungicide for Cannabis.
https://www.procidic2.com/benefits/
It was recently bought up in this thread by dank.frank
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=337195
Sounds a lot better than eagle

 

[GnarlsBarkley]

accessndx have you even done your research or are you just applying this shit and hoping for the fucking best? It stays in the plant for over 200 days and when combusted turns into fucking cyanide.

Yes it was the Eagle 20, the reaction was almost immediate after smoking the contaminated weed. The grower himself even confirmed he used Eagle 20. We live in the information era, no one has the excuse of not knowing. It takes no time at all to find out just how deadly this shit is. You can keep trying to rationalize your usage of this poison in your head however you want but the facts are out there. I hope you do not sell your weed, if I was a consumer and smoked your eagle 20 weed I'd sue your ass into non existence so you never poison anyone ever again.