California will Vote on Recreational Pot in Nov

[Sam_Skunkman]

FYI, I did not vote for Hillary, you as usual presume a lot....
Not really surprised, after your twisted NO on prop 64 logic.
I will stick to Prop 64 discussions, to keep from making a flame war. (and Gypsy asked)
What I say will not change who people will vote for president anyway, they are both wacky to say the least.
I did vote YES on Prop 64.
-SamS

I voted for Trump and voted no on 64.
( and no; I don't like Trump)

I will never forgive anybody for voting Clinton.
The DNC is currently full of the most disgustingly corrupt ; anti liberal ; propaganda spewing sociopaths our Nation has seen in a very; very long time. They robbed us of Sanders ; and now I will do my best to rob their party of any success; as long as I live.

Clinton and Soros deserve Prison; I will be damned if trash like that get another round of stealing our Democracy

Anybody that believes Clinton is less a threat to the US and the world; pays scarily little to International Politics.


but hey Sam; support this right?

http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2016/10/clinton-gave-thumbs-down-to-legal-marijuana-leak-shows/


"The newly-leaked documents showing Clinton’s strong opposition to legalization in a private appearance, combined with comments from the candidate’s daughter Chelsea last month implying that marijuana use can lead to death, could present an added sense of urgency for Clinton to evolve on the question of ending prohibition prior to Election Day. "


haha!

kind of like how she opposes the TTP; fracking; mass incarceration; weapons deals with terrorists; etc..... but privately.... supports them all!

Reagan?

The lying criminal actions of Hillary Clinton make ronnie look like a saint.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

Regan brought us crack and Nacy's guilt brought us the DARE program and war on drugs lol great choice lol. And that's when all the last of the good Thai and hash came to a crashing end .....


As an American you have the right not to vote as well ....Bernie was weed , But I will not vote for our last choices crack or heroin lol

 

[bluntmassa]

FYI, I did not vote for Hillary, you as usual presume a lot....
Not really surprised, after your twisted NO on prop 64 logic.
I will stick to Prop 64 discussions, to keep from making a flame war. (and Gypsy asked)
What I say will not change who people will vote for president anyway, they are both wacky to say the least.
I did vote YES on Prop 64.
-SamS

Would you leave the country if Trump wins along with all 5 states legalizing marijuana? Not that it makes much of a difference I was just a child under Reagan and I have fought the war on drugs since I was 15 years old nothing is going to make me tuck tail and run. I think people who love drugs should be moving to America not the other way around prohibition started in America it must end in America first. I mean unless we can get rid of the UN as a whole though it does do some good unlike the War On Drugs.

I personally don't think the next president is going to change a damn thing though Romney has been a Senator since at least the Iran Contra scandal people like that are our problem even if Johnson wins Congress can override anything he does a president does not have much power without the rest behind him. Congress certainly ain't going to let Trump build a wall it will be overridden by Congress it's not going to stop drugs you can buy a drone at Walmart. Lol

 

[rolandomota]

Yes on 64 because no one wants a 100 dollar fine for 1 gram or 28g.....on another note Has anyone seen the SNL trump and Hillary skits on YouTube. I was laughing my ass off watching the three debates and some other trump "locker room talk" stuff. I think in real life these candidates really act like they are portrayed in those skits.

 

[Shcrews]

Yes on 64 because no one wants a 100 dollar fine for 1 gram or 28g

or 100,000,000 grams...


vote NO on 64

 

[DoobieDuck]

From Kristin Flor on Facebooks Eddy Lepp group.."Eddy Lepp called me Saturday morning and gave me the good news that he will be released out of prison and to a halfway house on December 7!".....

 

[geneva_sativa]

Uncle Eddy Lepp...been in prison since 2009, opposes prop64... why would that be?

Thanks for that update Doobie ^^

Great to hear Eddy will be released and still knows what's up !!!

 

[gekolite]

supreme court

 

[is this real]

The latest SurveyUSA poll (10/28-10/31) shows 54% for, 39% against.

It's going to pass.

 

[Top_shelf_farms]

so now real numbers on how many folks get arrested (with a % of them most certainly going to jail) is "scare tactics" ? suppose you refute NORMLs numbers instead of denying the reality of the situation - people DO go to jail in California for weed. sorry if the truth hurts your widdle feewings...

Do people still go to jail in Colorado for weed? Washington? ORegon? The question is, how many of those arrests would happen after prop 64.... and how many more will it create.... seems obvious but I guess any chance to throw big numbers around. .. that's scare tactics.

 

[Top_shelf_farms]

We do grow great weed just as good if not better than California. I also grow plenty weed enough to do a good 7 years probably more. So I welcome the deal because they can't and won't stop me either way I was selling hard drugs at 15 years old I have a lot of friends and the only enemies fear me. Uncle Sam can suck my dick I ain't scared of shit. I know what I'm wishing for do you? I would have robbed you at gun point just for selling weed back in the day. I have chilled out a bit but I still own guns and I'm not a felon so I can carry guns legally. I also own land and have a house and can make as much money as I want.

It's a chance to no longer be an outlaw I'm looking to come out of this bitch like Joe Kennedy.

When you sit down at the poker table, do you show everyone your hand pre-flop? The only reason you're still around spouting this shit is because you didn't try and rob a guy like me for selling weed....

 

[bombadil.360]

Do people still go to jail in Colorado for weed? Washington? ORegon? The question is, how many of those arrests would happen after prop 64.... and how many more will it create.... seems obvious but I guess any chance to throw big numbers around. .. that's scare tactics.

It's not a scare tactic, it is a correction to the false claim that in CA people don't go to jail for cannabis.

Big difference.

The No crowd claimed no one goes to jail for cannabis in CA so there's no need for auma, to which we replied with the numbers and facts.

Lets keep things in context please and avoid sideway arguments.

 

[Shcrews]

The No crowd claimed no one goes to jail for cannabis in CA so there's no need for auma, to which we replied with the numbers and facts.

the number of felonies is not the same thing as the number of people who actually did time. nobody has posted that info yet.

also am i incorrect in stating that under prop 64 one could still conceivably get a felony for weed?

 

[bombadil.360]

the number of felonies is not the same thing as the number of people who actually did time. nobody has posted that info yet.

also am i incorrect in stating that under prop 64 one could still conceivably get a felony for weed?

"The number of marijuana prisoners has held more or less steady in California since the height of the drug war in the late 1980s, despite the passage of Prop. 215. There are now over 14 times as many marijuana prisoners in California as in 1980. This does not count federal prisoners, such as Dr. Mollie Fry and Dale Schafer, Bryan Epis, Eddy Lepp, DC Costa, Virgil Grant, Kenneth Affotler, Luke Scarmazzo and Ricardo Montes, all of whom are serving mandatory minimums of at least five years for medical marijuana.

Altogether, the state held 24,959 prisoners for inherently non-violent drug offenses at latest count; 8,587 of them for simple possession of controlled substances other than marijuana."
http://www.canorml.org/arrestsprisoners.html


Yes, under auma you could potentially catch a felony or end up in jail, but won't be because of cultivation, possesion or use. But for tax evasion or dealing without a liscense, like in many other legal industries.

Under auma, lots of people who caught felonies for cultivation, possesion or use can get pardoned as well.

Can't see what's so evil about that...

 

[Shcrews]

that contradicts this post:

According to the CA state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, not a single individual among the roughly 112,000 now in state prison is serving time for marijuana possession."

who to believe?

 

[bombadil.360]

that contradicts this post:



who to believe?

What you quoted is talking about possesion of small amounts. Bigger amount found you get charged with intent to deal. Etc... no contradiction there, just gotta read what's actually written.

 

[Shcrews]

What you quoted is talking about possesion of small amounts. Bigger amount found you get charged with intent to deal. .

....

"Yes, under auma you could potentially catch a felony or end up in jail, but won't be because of cultivation, possesion or use. But for tax evasion or dealing without a liscense

...so under AUMA you still get in trouble for dealing without proper paperwork, just like now. except the AUMA licenses will be way more expensive than a 215 rec is currently.

 

[iBogart]

The California Growers Association (CGA), an association of independent marijuana farms and businesses, is neutral on Proposition 64.[44] In deciding whether to support, oppose, or remain neutral on the initiative, the organization polled its 750 members. The CGA found a three-way split, with 31 percent supporting, 31 percent opposing, and 38 percent undecided on Proposition 64.[50]

No on 64 is leading the campaign in opposition to Proposition 64.[40]

Opponents

Officials

U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D)[41]
Sen. Joel Anderson (R-38)
Sen. Cathleen Galgiani (D-5)
Sen. Jim Nielsen (R-4)
Rep. Catharine Baker (R-16)
Rep. William Brough (R-73)
Rep. Jim Cooper (D-9)
Rep. Matthew Harper (R-74)
Rep. Young Kim (R-65)
Rep. Tom Lackey (R-36)
Rep. Melissa Melendez (R-67)

Parties

California Republican Party[42]
Libertarian Party of California[43][44]

Local government

Municipalities

Apple Valley City Council[41]
Calipatria City Council
Citrus Heights City Council
El Cajon City Council
Escalon City Council
Kingsburg City Council
Mission Viejo City Council
Oceanside City Council
Rancho Cucamonga City Council
San Diego County Board of Supervisors[45]
Scotts Valley City Council
Whittier City Council
Solano County Board of Supervisors

County and city officials

Bill Horn, Supervisor, San Diego County[41]
Susan Peters, Supervisor, Sacramento County
Glen Bozar, Mayor Pro Tem, City of Upland
Rich Kinney, Mayor, City of San Pablo
Violeta Lewis, RN, Mayor Pro Tem, City of La Puente
Dennis Michael, Mayor, City of Rancho Cucamonga
Kevin Muldoon, Mayor Pro Tem, City of Newport Beach
Ray Musser, Mayor, City of Upland
Andre Quintero, Mayor, City of El Monte
Sal Alatorre, Lynwood City Council Member
Jim Davis, Sunnyvale City Council Member
Dean Grose, Los Alamitos City Council Member
Kristal K. Jabari, San Marcos City Council Member
Sharon Jenkins, San Marcos City Council Member
John Minto, Santee City Council Member
Dan Reid, Lawndale City Council Member
Cathy Schlicht, Mission Viejo City Council Member
Debbie Stone, Upland City Council Member
Bernadette Suarez, Lawndale City Council Member
Carol Timm, Upland City Council Member
Alan D. Wapner, Ontario City Council Member
Joe Angle Zamora, Santa Fe Springs City Council Member

Sheriffs

Tom Allman, Sheriff, Mendocino County[41]
Doug A. Binnewies, Sheriff, Mariposa County
Edward Bonner, Sheriff, Placer County
Tom Bosenko, Sheriff, County of Shasta
Bill Brown, Sheriff, Santa Barbara County
Rick Di Basilio, Sheriff, Calaveras County
Adam E. Christianson, Sheriff, Stanislaus County
Mike Downey, Sheriff, Humboldt County
Steven L. Durfor, Sheriff, Yuba County
Steve Freitas, Sheriff, Sonoma County
Bruce Haney, Sheriff, County of Trinity
Sandra Hutchens, Sheriff-Coroner, Orange County
Scott Jones, Sheriff, Sacramento County[46]
Jon E. Lopey, Sheriff, Siskiyou County
Bill Lutze, Sheriff, Inyo County
John McMahon, Sheriff, San Bernardino County
Margaret Mims, Sheriff, Fresno County
David Robinson, Sheriff, Kings County
Keith Royal, Sheriff, Nevada County
Martin A. Ryan, Sheriff, Amador County
Tim Standley, Sheriff, Sierra County
Rick Stevens, Sheriff, Alpine County
Donny Youngblood, Sheriff, County of Kern

District attorneys

Tony Rackauckus, District Attorney, County of Orange[41]
Mike Ramos, District Attorney, County of San Bernardino
Jeff Reisig, District Attorney, County of Yolo
Anne-Marie Schubert, District Attorney, County of Sacramento

Organizations

Auto Club of Southern California
California Hospital Association
California Association of Highway Patrolmen
California Police Chiefs Association
DUID Victim Voices
Fight Crime, Invest in Kids California
Association of Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs
Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs
California College and University Police Chiefs Association
California Correctional Supervisors Association
California District Attorneys Association
California Narcotic Officers Associations
California Peace Officers Association
California State Sheriffs’ Association
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Office of the First Presidency[47]
Citizens Against Legalizing Marijuana
Community Action, Service & Advocacy
Community Alliance for Healthy Minds
International Faith Based Coalition
Los Angeles County Professional Peace Officers
Los Angeles Police Protective League
National Network of Youth Ministries
New Dawn Construction Company
North Coastal Prevention Coalition
Organization for Justice and Equality
Palomar Health Communities Coalition Escondido
Peace Officers Research Association of California
Riverside County Law Enforcement Administrators Association
Riverside Deputy Sheriffs Association
Safety Wellness Advocacy Community Coalition
San Diego School Boards Association
Santee Solutions Coalition
Smart Approaches to Marijuana of Northern California – SAM Action
The Small Farmers Association
Vista Community Clinic
Weed for Warriors Project


Public safety officials

Vincent Bancroft, Detective, Supervisor Gang and Narcotics, LA Police Department[41]
Michele M. Leonhart, Former Administrator, Drug Enforcement Administration
Michael Borges, Chief of Police, Escalon Police Department
Christopher W. Boyd, Chief of Police, Citrus Heights Police Department
Ruben Chavez, Chief of Police, Livingston Police Department
Miguel Colon Jr., Chief of Police, Imperial Police Department
Stephen Wayne Cramer, Chief of Police, Cloverdale Police Department
Timothy Crawford, Glendora Police Officers Association
William Damiano, Chief of Probation, Humboldt County
Dan DeSmidt, Chief of Police, Belmont Police Department
Aaron W. Easton, Chief of Police, Marysville Police Department
Steve Frazier, Chief of Police, Madera Police Department
Greg Garner, Chief of Police, Selma Police Department
Jerel Haley, Chief of Police, Atascadero Police Department
John Incontro, Chief of Police, San Marino Police Department
Ron Lawrence, Chief of Police, City of Rocklin Police Department
Michael Massoni, Chief of Police, Retired, South San Francisco Police Department
Matthew McCaffrey, Acting Chief of Police, Novato Police Department
Andrew Mills, Chief of Police, Eureka Police Department
Robert E. Moody, Chief of Police, Claremont Police Department
Karl E. Doppelreiter, Chief of Police, Retired, Ferndale Police Department, California State Parks Law Enforcement Division
Mark Raffaelli, Chief of Police, South San Francisco Police Department
David Reynoso, Chief of Police, El Monte Police Department
Salvatore Rosano, Chief of Police, Retired, Santa Rosa Police Department
Robert Sanderson, Chief of Police, Retired, Arcadia Police Department
Joseph Santoro, Chief of Police, Retired, Monrovia Police Department
Frank J. Scialdone, Chief of police, retired, Fontana Police Department
Ron Scott, Chief of police, retired, Livermore Police Department
Robert N. Sharpnack, Chief of Police, Costa Mesa Police Department
Bret Smith, Chief of Police, Ferndale Police Department
Sam Spiegel, Chief of Police, Retired, Folsom Police Department
Brian Stephens, Captain, Eureka Police Department
Richard Sullivan, Chief of Police, Retired, Isleton Police Department
Jennifer Tejada, Chief of Police, Emeryville Police Department
George Turegano, Chief of Police, Huron Police Department
Brian Uhler, Chief of Police, South Lake Tahoe Police Department
Jose Rivera, Sergeant, Ventura County Sheriff’s Office
Dennis Vrooman, Captain, Murrieta Police Department
Pat Walsh, Chief of Police, Lompoc Police Department
Dan Watson, Chief of Police, Retired, Mammoth Lakes Police Department
Steve Watson, author and Captain, Eureka Police Department
William Winters, Chief of Police, Retired, California Police Chiefs Association
Shelley Zimmerman, Chief of Police, San Diego Police Department


Other individuals

A couple of small time growers on icmag.com



Top donors to the no on 64 campaign:

The secretary of state reported the following list of the top donors to committees registered to oppose Proposition 64.[11][12][13][59][60]

Donor Amount

Julie Schauer $1,364,000
Smart Approaches to Marijuana Action (SAM Action) $489,150
California Teamsters Public Affairs Council $25,000
Peace Officers Research Association of Claifornia PIC $25,000
Californians for Jobs, Assemblymember Jim Cooper Ballot Measure Committee $25,000

 

[armedoldhippy]

i see Feinstein is against it. that alone would tell me all i need to know to make my decision..

 

[bombadil.360]

....

...so under AUMA you still get in trouble for dealing without proper paperwork, just like now. except the AUMA licenses will be way more expensive than a 215 rec is currently.

Apples and oranges.

Liscense under auma is way better than under 215 for so many reasons that only someone who has not read auma does not understand.

Can't spoon feed you every single bit of info, it has been weeks since the thread started and you still have not read auma but you are so sure what it is about...how does that work?

Can you legally sell to recreational users under 215? Didn't think so...


IBogart, wow look at that long list of cops saying no to auma. Interesting.