Butte County

[Yes4Prop215]

ramsey is a hypocrite, but not gonna lie bet his son and their buddies feel pretty fucking immune. he lives in a super private neighborhood and the house next door was for sale i contemplated becoming his neighbor lol…but kind of risky and the asking price was too expensive.

 

[oldCounty]

Is anyone else noticing repeated helis in their area a lot earlier this year? Or should I just be worried? Haha

 

[somoz]

Is anyone else noticing repeated helis in their area a lot earlier this year? Or should I just be worried? Haha

Looking for the early deps I believe. We've been flown already even though nothing's in the ground. Gonna be an interesting year to say the least. Let me know if I can be of any assistance PROP.

 

[MelloYello]

So, with measure A the Board of Supervisors can change the law.

Any way they vote too?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

everyone in butte should start learning the fine print of the laws and their legal rights. measure A is absolutely unconstitutional and can be beaten. i met with some radicals today and learned a fuckload about the ordinance, search warrants, probably cause, etc….its honestly too much to delve into in one post. maybe i smoke one up later and try to paraphrase everything into something more understandable.

 

[Shcrews]

its hard to exercise your rights when they show up in vests with guns and a chainsaw. better lawyer up.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yup if they show up like that than you can pretty much kiss your plants good bye, but I'm talking months down the line when actually in court. most measure A "compliance checks" and the ensuing criminal investigations that follow them will all be on very shady foundation legality wise. if you follow a few set parameters, you can get the whole case tossed out and face zero criminal charges.

i will have to update with specifics later on, but it all involves the specifics of their probable cause of the search warrants. certain things will stick in court, others wont. measure A compliance checks are running right over basic constitutional rights because most won't ever go to criminal court, just civil proceedings, so they dont need to follow certain things that actual cops have to follow when pursuing criminal investigations. when those compliance checks evolve into criminal proceedings involving the police, then they need to abide by the judicial system which benefits us.

i will have to elaborate more later, just too much to discuss at once.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

Time to do a bird extraction from the sky. Green tip bye bye piggie how's your chopper now. Thought yall were in the wild west? Take care of them boys

 

[CanniDo Cowboy]

everyone in butte should start learning the fine print of the laws and their legal rights. measure A is absolutely unconstitutional and can be beaten. i met with some radicals today and learned a fuckload about the ordinance, search warrants, probably cause, etc….its honestly too much to delve into in one post. maybe i smoke one up later and try to paraphrase everything into something more understandable.

First, its not just Butte County - Shasta, Tehama and now Yuba. Yes, Yuba county is now officially the latest county to slither on board with an outdoor ban.

Its important to understand that these counties along the 99/I-5 corridor are not acting independent of each other but in concert. They are all using the SAME county playbook. And believe it or dont, the springboard for all these counties enacting their outdoor bans stems from a ruling just a bit further down the 99 corridor in 2013- the final Ca Supreme Court ruling that upheld the decision allowing the city of Live Oak Ca to ban outdoor cultivation...

To go back a little further, all counties have enjoyed a somewhat mystical, some believe mythical belief that when it comes to ordinance violations, they automatically have a legal right to access any resident's property. True or not, counties attempting to umbrella the prop215 into their ordinance violations shenanigans are going to discover that patients growing their own meds are more than willing to meet Mr Code Enforcer at the gate with a polite or perhaps not so polite- "Not today Skippy..."

I refer to the ordinance violations, the enforcement and also the investigative process as shenanigans because, not always but often, counties tend to overstep its legal right to access your property using the most important weapon in their arsenal - the ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT. Usually, the anonymous complaint can be verified without entering a property. An un-permitted out building, too high a fence, illegal add-ons to the existing dwelling etc - all are fairly difficult to conceal from any roadway where the investigator can easily see/confirm something is being built.

As the potential ordinance offender, your first reaction is "Which of my neighbors is the rat?" This question however, gets somewhat lost in the shit storm that quickly follows because now, the investigator implements a red tag (stop construction order) followed up with an attached fine for failure to obtain necessary permits and then, a daily fine if the home owner refuses to comes under compliance.

So, fast forward to the now enacted Prop A, the anonymous complaint and one more little tool in the county tool-box - the NUISANCE ordinance. In the outdoor backyard cultivation arena, the nuisance ordinance violation often involves ODOR. Its the county's claim to fame but here's the rub-

Unlike in the past where the county investigator's ability to usually SEE the bldg violation would confirm the violation, an ANONYMOUS complaint about MJ odor doesnt mean anything especially if your crop is concealed within a greenhouse. At that point, the ANONYMOUS complaint becomes merely a tool for access which brings into question your constitutional rights to privacy, not to mention your legal recourse/options against the county and the complaint author if indeed, nothing incriminating is found. Does the county actually believe that they will be able to leave with just a - "Sorry, false alarm" and all will be forgiven & forgotten? Personally, my first suspect would be the code enforcer. I would have no problem accusing him of filling out the anonymous complaint form while sitting in your driveway. That would put the little bastard on his heels eh? How are you to actually know he didnt?

All counties have their ordinances and their code enforcers. I think their attempt to treat a possible cultivation infraction as if it were the same as an illegal add on to your house is going to be like building a bridge over troubled water - with or without the permit...cc

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^exactly, that was mentioned as well. the anonymous complaint is the whole damn reason they can even attempt that shit in the first place, regardless that anonymous complaints can be unfounded and dropped in court if criminal proceedings take place.

i learned that the strongest criminal cases that could take place after code enforcement require an ACTUAL COMPLAINT, and can't be anonymous. in order for a criminal case to happen there needs to be a physical victim to the crime, and the NUISANCE ordinance helps this because…TAH DAH! there is a victim of the noise…

so dont piss off your neighbors! people who grow next to snitches are the most liable to get a code enforcement visit but also a criminal case if one developes. otherwise, their standing for a visit in the first place is on shaky ground because every possible reason for probable cause can be challenged, short of your plants being in total absolute view of officers at your gate or front of residence.

which brings to next point, no visible crops, no probable cause!! if a judge looks at a search warrant for a property, and the cause is "we want to search these suspicious buildings" a judge might sign it, but in court it will fall apart. because there is no such thing as a suspicious building, greenhouse, etc if there is no indication of drug cultivation or sales. having a building itself is not sufficient evidence. they need real concrete evidence to get a search warrant with solid foundation. the cops themselves need to testify they saw, smelt, or damn near touched a cannabis plant from their viewpoint on the street. they need an actual physical person to snitch and lodge a formal complaint they can base the search warrant on.

i disagreed in one place with the radical lawyer guys over the open sun plant visual though. they claimed that open sun plants outside wouldn't be sufficient in court as probable cause alone and would could only be used as supporting evidence but not concrete evidence, but i kind of disagree and think that based on previous cases using flyover pictures as evidence for a search warrant. that issue is still in dispute and i will ask them and others about that in the future. I'm pretty sure that if they can count your garden, see your plants from air, and have nice high res pictures of the garden in question with plants in full view, a judge would be more liable to sign the warrant and it would hold up in court better.

thats just my undestanding of things, i could be wrong or they could be wrong as well, i would encourage everyone talk to their own lawyers about these things!

 

[Psi Haze]

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yes4prop215 was talking about defending his property with force if the code-man came knocking.. Sorry dude, I can't think that you are a professional person if you are talking about shooting some butt-fucker cops over a $500 fine. Go raise hell somewhere else...

...Bad for the cannabis movement, man... The cannabis movement needs to be in the hands of the many, not the select few, you should know that... You really tried to fuck me with those 6 plants while others, including a bunch of fucking scabbed meth-heads, got rich on 99 plants @ 5lbs each, that shit was WAY uneven. Maybe I don't want to piss off my neighbors with 6x, 15ft canna-trees in my yard or on my fucking roof. How the fuck am I going to move that? quote me on this..

Maybe I like growing 20 different clones at a time, or 90, maybe they are about chest-high, 11 weeks old from root, and 200 grams each with a perpetual outdoor-cycle.. Maybe it is 200 or 300 sqft and I`ll take the 500$ fine and push the 5G-buckets together until they leave.. I can grow about 15lbs every 2 months in 300sqft of outdoor space, which I can push together until they leave into 100sqft. I can to this March2015-November2015.. That is 100lbs per year if you try and I do less than half of that... Veg indoor, bloom outdoor... You might have to move each of the plants into darkness during the summer to keep them out of veg.. 100lbs per year, legally, and not go harvest-free for 9-months.. Going Harvest-free from outdoor for 9 months in Nor-Cal sun and warmth/dryness is stupid.. It's a lot of work but who is not used to that? How is that for advice.. And this... Maybe I live in a neighborhood and I have the right to grow and hide chest-high cannabis... The smell only travels about 200ft but choking stench in less than 50ft.. hahaha.. I got 600+ ft in each direction of land... Total shrub coverage from the choppers, leave the southern sky open. Dude, they are not coming unless your neighbor or ex is pissed, and ya, that shit sucks..

..This is normal for 40 plants, every 2 months... I grow more like this than 6 of the monster plants.


So, I now have about 5 recent-acres but the guy down the street can grow a million dollar crop when I had about <1.5 acres and I get popped for 7 plants? ..Half the people here grow cannabis.. Measure B fucked me with 6 plants.... At least now, it is even, Steven... We can all grow the same amount.. I`m sorry your commercial business is no longer legal under the environmental code (which is easy to beat, read it dummy.).


Want to think progressive? Triple the outdoor space for everyone, I will vote for it. The amount of cannabis you can grow is THE SAME, 50-sqft, outdoor for more than 0.5 acres, for each 215... The amount that YOU can legally grow is the SAME as the amount I can legally grow with our annual 215 forms, I like this idea.. Call me crazy, I think it's the only 'fair' deal we have. When the ball was in your court and doing the lobbying for Measure B, you neglected to include people like me in the deal, that's why it was a bad deal..

Measure A lets everyone who is prop 215 and on more than 0.5 acres grow the SAME amount of medical cannabis, no matter how much land you own.. How is being fair, uneven?

You lost me...

Who will talk shit and say that cannabis should not be grown in a neighborhood? We should get robbed by teenagers looking for pot? ..stupid..
Those teenagers and their parents have their own crops and neighbors don't kill each other over pot. Everyone knows that everyone grows and there has not been a robbery in the neighborhood for 20 years.. eat it and face the music..


...You are no longer the Monopoly Man... We grow our own meds and there is no crime. Stop trying to suppress the cannabis movement so you can get rich, people have the right to grow their own.

 

[oldCounty]

I think all of your posts could just be summarized by

I got mines, fuck you

which you seem to think isn't a problem. That's not a character trait to be proud of.

 

[Psi Haze]

Are you talking to yes4prop215 or me? because that would apply to both..


I said that Measure A is even and I can grow as much meds as the guy with 40 acres.. How is it unfair to be even? That is NOT logical, Capt. The monopoly guy and his million-dollar-crop laughing at the seed buyers and calling for their arrest and/or getting robbed when they grow more than their 6 fucking plants, hahaha... Those are the badguys..





The million $ Monopoly-Man and his cops/thieves can kiss my arse..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xaf6avmI3I

 

[Urbngroz]

Sounds like communism to me. Somebody should be rewared for taking more risk that's what makes people work harder and produce more. Its the reason you have a job in the first place.

 

[oldCounty]

....monopoly...monopoly...millions...monopoly...millions...drug dealers

The only people I hear talk like this are upset because they can't live above their means from their indoor crop anymore. You're too easy to read. Every. Single. Post.

No one was stopping you from growing more plants under measure b, it's a god damn infraction that would have more than likely never affected you. How many outdoor growers will be affected Measure A? If you are doing indoor growing,

this is private property, no you can't enter

and it's over. You can't make every single person happy, and, we can't cater to the fucking insignificant handful of people like you who are too scared to go over a god damn code enforcement guideline.

Instead of a democracy, you wan't us to live in a plutocracy huh mr "rich neighborhood" ? You sit here and champion the trampling of the 4th amendment by local county ballot initiatives ? LOL

You don't understand how silly you look ranting about the "drug dealers" as you pound yourself into a drunken stupor with alcohol. lol You are on the wrong side of history and your "think of the children" bullshit showed that off the bat.

 

[skull and roses]

The Save Butte Growers Facebook page has been updating what's going on and apparently today they were in Durham and honey run taking out light deps. This shit is insane and this county is so stupid I can't stand it. I think a lot of us growers are going to have to unite and work together to defeat this shit.

By the way psi you've made your point, nobody agrees or supports you. Unless you like to argue there's nothing more for you to say here.

 

[mojave green]

just when you really got believing the propaganda that you are free, along come the code enforcement nazis, and stomp the fuk outa your illusion of freedom!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

psi just stop talking, you aren't making a single shred of sense, your viewpoint is totally misguided and not in line with the rest of us. notice NOBODY is supporting your BS communism stance. your viewpoint is basically that because your a tiny dick 6 plant grower, the rest of us should be the same. sorry man, but i take big gambles and work my ass off so damn right i can grow as much as i physically can. your complain about helping the small growers and fighting monopolies, when measure A is the exact kind of ordinance that kills craft farmers and supports big corporate takeovers.

you say i want to meet cops at my gate and go to war, when i clearly just posted several things stating otherwise and advising others how to go the legal route.

YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD. STOP TALKING. NO BODY HERE REMOTELY AGREES WITH YOU. FUCK OFF. if you arent gonna contribute anything besides your blind support of measure A, which every single person in here is AGAINST, than get lost.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I said that Measure A is even and I can grow as much meds as the guy with 40 acres.. How is it unfair to be even? That is NOT logical, Capt. The monopoly guy and his million-dollar-crop laughing at the seed buyers and calling for their arrest and/or getting robbed when they grow more than their 6 fucking plants, hahaha... Those are the badguys..





The million $ Monopoly-Man and his cops/thieves can kiss my arse..

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its really quite amazing how literally idiotic you are, and how your mindset is so tiny you can't even begin to comprehend the bigger picture.

the end game here is corporate legalization, big companies like UCann, PPS, tweed, etc want to have control have a small amount of large producer licenses. In order to kill competition for these mega producers, they need to clamp down on the main supply system for prop215, which are small, medium and larger size commercial producers.

measure A is the exact kind of ordinance that the corporate hawks want, it only allows a tiny amount of "legal" medicine to be grown, ensuring that patients need to buy more herb, but alas they can't buy off the prop 215 system because their grows have been banned, so they are forced to buy from a handle full of monopoly companies.

THIS IS THE EXACT THING THAT HAPPENED IN CANADA AND WASHINGTON.

psi, really i just laid the whole thing out for you. if you are still too dumb to realize how small of a mindset you have, then like multiple people in this thread have told you, GET LOST.

YOU ARE PUBICALLY SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT IS
-CAUSING HUNDREDS OF NORMAL GROWERS TO LOSE THEIR GARDENS AND GET ARRESTED.
-ALLOWS FOR THE WARRANTLESS SEARCHES OF PEOPLES PROPERTIES FOR GARDENS AND CODE VIOLATIONS
-HELPS ESTABLISH A MONOPOLY FOR A CORPORATE TAKEOVER OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA

if you can't understand that, than i truly cannot help you.

 

[hup234]

So....is the price of Ca. outdoor going to go up?