Butte County

[Backyard Farmer]

Your position is "Fuck every one as long as I get what I want"

You don't accept my perspective on this debate because I've objectively called you out on doing the EXACT same thing you say that the people who thought up Measure B did, just the opposite, because you want to grow in a car port sized space in your place in town.....

Some high school kids are probably going to jump your fence and grab some of your elite blueberry F2 weed!

 

[Psi Haze]

Your position is "Fuck every one as long as I get what I want"

Why are you quoting me on this? I NEVER said that.. It's amazing that you don't read but I expected that.. Like I said, measure B fucks us over, bad.. ..And that is pretty selfish of you to disregard that fact...

Some high school kids are probably going to jump your fence and grab some of your elite blueberry F2 weed!

Wow, what kind of mean S.O.B. cannabis grower are you? You want me to get busted for growing more than 6 plants and now you want me to get robbed? Dude, you are fucked.. Trust me, when I say the hills are mostly filled with people who are fucked in the head, I was right..

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Can't we all get a bong?

Seriously, IMHO, the real big timers are just going to do what they always do. Odds are no one is coming knocking, and if they do, its a non criminal code violation... If that scene has 50 10'ers, and they come knocking august 1st, you'd have about 80 days till chop. That's roughly a 80k fine sliding off a million dollar crop. Any real business man or woman takes this as an acceptable loss, without question.

The bolded section implies that 1,000,000 is the net proceed on the crop...

Byf I never mentioned expenses. And yea dudes in some parts are still getting over 2 on bulk high grade packs. Sure its not common, but even if your low at 1500, even with expenses ect should still be able to net 500k even after the extortion..errrr.. I mean 80 days of civil fines.

Simply put...No.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Why are you quoting me on this? I NEVER said that.. It's amazing that you don't read but I expected that.. Like I said, measure B fucks us over, bad.. ..And that is pretty selfish of you to disregard that fact...



Wow, what kind of mean S.O.B. cannabis grower are you? You want me to get busted for growing more than 6 plants and now you want me to get robbed? Dude, you are fucked.. Trust me, when I say the hills are mostly filled with people who are fucked in the head, I was right..

Your position of "Well it's good for ME to grow 150 sq ft in my backyard, I don't care about what people on 40 acres need to do" Is the same thing as saying Fuck Every one else...

Why do you think people want you to get busted for growing more than six plants? I don't think you should get busted for growing PERSONAL in city limits...but I also don't think you should have ANYTHING outdoor in a neighborhood...I also think that people who have 40 acres or more or even 20 acres or more, should be able to grow 99 plants as well, in as much space as they want to give them...because they have it.

You just seem really mad at people who are doing better in life than you are..

 

[Psi Haze]

Your position of "Well it's good for ME to grow 150 sq ft in my backyard, I don't care about what people on 40 acres need to do" Is the same thing as saying Fuck Every one else...

Hahaha... You lost me on that one, first sentence.. heheheh Do you need someone to hold your hand? ..or maybe a hug?

Why do you think people want you to get busted for growing more than six plants? I also don't think you should have ANYTHING outdoor in a neighborhood.....

Contradictory and hypocritical.. nailed it..

 

[Pendleton]

If you're on a parcel 20 or 40 acres big the numbers shouldn't be restricted. It's absurd.

 

[Shcrews]

The measure B assholes should be kissing my ass for living under a similarly worthless measure, now when the tables are turned, I`m the ass?

this thread is funny. some spiteful things being said in ere

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I don't think there should be any outdoor in neighborhoods because not everyone will grow with the best practices ... I don't want my neighbor in town spraying nasty shit for mites and it wafting over on to my veggies or my kids bike or for my neighbor to have a home invasion where guns are involved and shots are fired in a neighborhood ...if you want to grow in a neighborhood build a shed out back and do it out of sight and out of mind

 

[Shcrews]

but people spray nasty shit on their lawns/gardens all the time. That's why you live in the country so you dont have to worry about what the city folk do

why does everyone want to solve societies problems by passing more laws

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I don't think we need to pass more laws...I think that we should just treat it like what it is..If some one wants to grow 99 big plants in their back yard and do the commercial trip it shouldn't be in town period...Why?? Because of ZONING..>The RESOURCES..like the water to grow the garden...And where the run off / over spray etc., goes all needs to be in an area of the county/city that is capable of supporting AGRICULTURAL endeavors...

I don't pretend to pull any punches but PSI Haze's self imposition of the title "Breeder" Is ludicrous... But if you want to grow 99 plants in 5 gallon buckets in a carport you should be able to do so for your PERSONAL use just like you can grow a personal amount of food in your back yard in town..but you aren't going to start farming pigs downtown so why the fuck should you be able to grow 100 lbs and do all the Agriculturally intensive stuff like move soil in and out etc., ON A CITY STREET?? You shouldn't..YOu should just bring a few bags of potting soil home in the back of the pick up do your plants in your buckets and be happy...

Every one can co exist.. Mine and Prop's point isn't that there should have been Measure A or B just that both are bad and realistically both need to be scrapped and we should start all over again because NO ONE is winning with the current set of rules!! The county just stepped on its own dick!

 

[plastochron]

so basically it comes down to a few things. stay under 99, keep your greenhouses closed and have zero visible cannabis plants anywhere on the property. dont answer the gate, dont answer code enforcement, they are not allowed to trespass and need to attempt 3 times to contact property owner. keep all illegal shit off the grow site, no hash oil, no butane, no guns, no packs, in the rare case a search warrant is served and you have under 99 plants it should stay in the realm of "out of compliance"…

i'm still wondering if a unpermitted greenhouse is any better than having full sun visible plants (from a chopper that is). what about a locked fenced surrounding an opaque 'temporary' hoop house?

 

[furrywall11]

I vote for yes, it's safer. I cleared away all my old mounds and crap, at great expensive, to be more low-key from the sky. There are half a dozen greenhouses much larger then mine, within a two mile radius, that are used to grow vegetables...not cannabis. If your greenhouse is covered..they can't see in...and they can't walk onto the property of every household with a greenhouse and demand to see what's inside..just don't wave it in their faces and they should be happy....with the permits..everyone has _some_ unpermitted stuff on the property..that should be deterrent enough to keep your neighbors from talking.. wish I had the foresight and cash to start a greenhouse business two years ago...

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i'm still wondering if a unpermitted greenhouse is any better than having full sun visible plants (from a chopper that is). what about a locked fenced surrounding an opaque 'temporary' hoop house?

it all relates to the search warrant. compliance check doesn't have a search warrant, they have an inspection warrant to view growing spaces, and not to enter locked doors.

the latest bust is a huge learning lesson, and we must learn at their expense. the compliance officers first visited the property, and were not allowed a full search by the owners. but during the contact at the gate, they were able to see his greenhouse in full view. my friend who visited their property mentioned they had plants in full view with bright lights clearly visible from far away. that, combined with the snitch who had been bugging compliance for weeks about them, is what led to an actual search warrant.

now say they fly your property, if they see open sun plants in full view, and have the pictures to show the judge, thats an easy search warrant. fully enclosed greenhouses however, are not admissible in court and it would be revealed during the motion of discovery phase and a good cannabis lawyer can fight this technicality. in order for CE to get a search warrant on greenhouses, they would need to get up close to them and see plants through the roll ups, smell plants, etc. which they shouldn't be able to do if your property allows. luckily my gate is over 200 yards from the greenhouses, they would need to trespass and violate the limits of measure A to even get a visual.

i had a huge conversation with a few local friends today and theres some positive things going on, and some brilliant ways to fight back. i am formulating a brochure here shortly that i want to circulate to other locals on here on some good information and what needs to be done!! if we can mobilize a good effort, even if just from a few dozen folks, we can really hinder measure A efforts!!

also important, these guys were only arrested because they were over 100 plants, and had dozens of processed pounds on site. the whole measure A process was thrown out the door, and their plants were chopped that day instead of the compliance process. if you have under 99 plants and nothing dirty, you will be dealing with a compliance issue and have the normal 36 day period to get into compliance, etc.

1. fence off all access, and close your gate at all times
2. cover all plants and all evidence of growing
3. stay under 99
4. no dried material, hash oil, extraction labs, butane cans, etc
5. dont piss off your neighbors and make enemies
6. lawyer up and learn your rights

 

[Yes4Prop215]

you are an absolute MORON psi, you should just leave this site. the mere fact that you support measure A should be enough to permanently blacklist you from the cannabis industry. dare you to set up shop at a local cup and have to see guys like me and BYF face to face, with our industry friends we can tell them all about your angry little attitude praising measure A and the downfall of hundreds of peoples livelihoods. you are clearly in the wrong yet too ignorant to see it!

MEASURE B WASNT A 6 PLANT LIMIT. it was a 6 plants OR 120 sq ft, which is your exact same limit under measure A. you can still grow 99 plants in 120sq ft. where in measure A does it say you can do 220sq ft because i dont see it. wow you got an extra 100 sq ft, you have no balls at all, you could have pushed that limit and still had nothing to worry about. EVEN UNDER MEASURE B, small properties under 1.5 acres were NOT GETTING RAIDED. i already mentioned once i have two friends who both live on 1 acre adjoining properties, who both had 50-60+ plants and they were let off by compliance officers. their only concern was making sure the backyards weren't combined into one grow thereby making it a 100+ plant garden.

How braindead are you? of course a property that is 40 acres, aka 40x the size of a 1 acre residential house, should be able to scale up and grow more. why should a 40 acre be limited to the same size as a residential. and especially a property that can sustain large commercial operations. blowing out a residential backyard with kids and families around is sloppy for this industry, and should be done on larger properties that are more secluded and away from people. the main reason residential grows are smaller are because there are direct neighbors involved! your plants are one fence away from the neighbors and can affect them much greater than a 40 acre spot where the garden is 100s of yards away from the closest person.


dude your attitude is terrible, you are the hypocrite. I'm done addressing you. either contribute to fighting measure A, or get lost.

 

[theJointedOne]

Some good points yes4, thanks for taking time to post them

 

[Psi Haze]

If you're on a parcel 20 or 40 acres big the numbers shouldn't be restricted. It's absurd.

And if you are on a parcel that is not 20 or 40 acres, my right to grow medicine should not be restricted. Land space has NOTHING to do with my right to grow medicine. Get your shit together..

Take Yes4prop215 for example, he (and other measure B supporters) want me to be arrested for growing more than 6 plants. Seriously?? 120sqft indoor and 6 fucking plants? What a STUPID plan, the measure B people are pathetic for supporting such a stupid plan... All they do is talk shit but I know that they are nothing more than hypocritical morons who do not give a flying fuck about the guy with 5 acres or less of land and who needs medicine. Not only that, but his buddy comes in and starts flaming me and hoping I get robbed for the same reason... Why would anyone want anyone to get robbed??

Yes4prop215 wanted everyone who grows more than 6 plants on less than 1.5 acres to be arrested, fuck you, dude...

you are an absolute MORON psi, you should just leave this site. the mere fact that you support measure A should be enough to permanently blacklist you from the cannabis industry.

Your measure B was shit so call me a moron all you want but I have some more information that might make your mean ass leave Butte county even sooner...listen.. In order to grow more than 50sqft outdoor, you need additional 215 recommendations. Example, to grow 100sqft on more than 5 acres, you will need 2 or more recs. To grow 150sqft on 10+ acres, you need 3 or more recs. Buh, bye Yes4. And YOU should be removed from the cannabis industry because you called for my arrest and robbery.

Yes4prop21, you make the cannabis haters and lovers pissed at each other. You wanted to arrest me for growing more than 6 plants on 1.5 acres while you laugh your ass off growing 99 on 40 acres..

YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO PREVENT ME FROM GROWING MY MEDS... YOUR PLAN WAS SHIT AND ANY FOOL WHO FOLLOWS YOU IS A LEMMING JUMPING THE CLIFF.

 

[Psi Haze]

MEASURE B WASNT A 6 PLANT LIMIT. it was a 6 plants OR 120 sq ft, which is your exact same limit under measure A. you can still grow 99 plants in 120sq ft. where in measure A does it say you can do 220sq ft because i dont see it.

It's because you don't read. It clearly said in your voter form that measure A was by grow space and measure B was by plant count.. heheheh.. you crack me up Yes4prop215. Measure A is 120sqft indoor for everyone, even a greenhouse can be considered indoor, and outdoor for more than 0.5 acres 50sqft-150sqft. Measure A is indoor + outdoor, measure B was just 6 plants, Ramsey said it was just 6 plants on less than 1.5 acres, on his Butte DA website, indoor and/or outdoor. I don't like the small outdoor grow space but you fucked us lobbying for 6 fucking plants for so many people, thats why you lost. My neighbors and I grow weed in a neighborhood, imagine that, probably 30%... no crime.. WOW... pfft...

The difference between 6 plants and 48 plants was 2.5 acres of land... HAHAHAHAHA.... wtf... who wrote that shit? Did any of you care that you were cutting off the ability to grow legally for 90%+ of the population of Butte co.? Did you think about that or just hope people got robbed so you can hype your 40 acres bullshit plan? There is weed all over my neighborhood growing visibly from the street, rich neighborhood, (yes, we can afford an In-your fucking face lawyer), and there is no crime, YOU FAILED. Cannabis grown by the masses IS safe on smaller plots of land. It is a responsibility factor. In my neighborhood, most people are ether retired or on the 9-5. There is no crime even though everyone knows that almost half the people grow cannabis. Nobody gets robbed, there is no violence, it's because they are responsible people and have moral obligations in their lives that they care about. Most places in those hills, people don't go anywhere, many are just kids growing tons of fucking weed and selling it for party money.. Well, I`m sure all of you can decide what the majority of Butte county decided in November, your own choice to vote..

wow you got an extra 100 sq ft, you have no balls at all, you could have pushed that limit and still had nothing to worry about.

just being mean? Are you saying that I am a dick for voting for the extra 100sqft of grow space and 90 extra plants, legally?? Oh wait, you didn't call me a fucking dick, you said I was what? "No balls at all"? ...real professional of you...



This is why Yes4pro215 is mad:

The people can now grow their own herb and they don't depend on buying his shit anymore.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I like how psi stopped replying to me because he got crushed with logic

 

[Psi Haze]

I try to ignore some of the stuff, I know that some people are just heated because they depend on growing and selling weed to pay the bills. I`m sorry it's like that but maybe they should have lobbied for better jobs or higher wages, reduces land taxes, ect.. Cannabis is a risky business for dealers, they should know when they got into that line of work that there would be all sorts of difficulties. It would be irresponsible not to predict and plan for these types of situations.

I`m not here to hold anyone's hand or sympathize with them when they were in conflict with my ambitions, none of you have done this for me so why should I do it for you? I find it incredibly selfish to not care about the 65% of the people who voted NO on measure B. We have the right to grow meds too and the 6 plant bullshit didn't cut it..

The ball was in their court and they dropped it. The measure B supporters should have adopted a better plan. 65% NO is a total failure..


Sorry dude, logic is to get out there and vote. The people with 40 acres will see their legal grow cut into pieces while my legal grow gets to expand. It's politics, man..

Poly means multiple, tics suck blood.. Put the words together and you have multiple blood-suckers, i.e politics.

 

[ApolloAK]

Were you dropped on your head as a child? It would explain a lot