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Butte County
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You are welcome. Mills's work is the gold standard on the question. I haven't looked at it closely enough to say how solid it is, but it's treated as authoritative in the mainstream media, which makes it real. ;-)
25ftGreatWhite
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Can you guys share what was said at the meeting in b creek?
butte county has some passionate people and there are some good candidates for the lawsuit, however the overall leadership is very disorganized and there are a few disagreements between some of the folks involved. overall compared to Yuba i would honestly say its a shitshow (outside of the lawsuit which seems to be going good)…some of the people have this super extreme libertarian attitude towards this issue that basically involves non compliance and a bunch of legalese that I'm not sure would really hold up in real life court.
one thing being circulated was that if you have been cited, you dont need to pay it right away and you should challenge it in court, county can only collect fees if it sues you or something like that. i dont know how verified that is, still need to talk to Rob tmro about if this is true and whats the best way to go about payment if one is cited.
they are looking for more people who have been cited so if you have, send me a PM and i can forward you towards Jeff.
other than that, butte has wayyyyy more catching up to do with Yuba. the butte group doesn't have an organized structure of hierarchy or a solid team put together like Yuba yet…hopefully they can get something moving soon.
one thing being circulated was that if you have been cited, you dont need to pay it right away and you should challenge it in court, county can only collect fees if it sues you or something like that. i dont know how verified that is, still need to talk to Rob tmro about if this is true and whats the best way to go about payment if one is cited.
they are looking for more people who have been cited so if you have, send me a PM and i can forward you towards Jeff.
other than that, butte has wayyyyy more catching up to do with Yuba. the butte group doesn't have an organized structure of hierarchy or a solid team put together like Yuba yet…hopefully they can get something moving soon.
A better idea may be to keep calling in complaints on yourself and then press criminal harassment charges against the actual sheriffs who come and file a civil suit asking for a temporary restraining order. After they visit a couple times. You have to figure if they keep coming and you have nothing there you have grounds for a suit. I live up in Cherokee and they have tried to come to my property there 5 times according to the sheriffs logs. It seems that if you aren't there to refuse inspection they are having a hard time getting a warrant. They have to get through my non-growing neighbors bad ass gate to get in and the only way your getting through it is with a welding torch. We moved the starts a week ago so we are thinking of thinking of going this route as well. It wouldn't be hard to bait these assholes. PM me if you want to throw around some ideas.
My renter went to the meeting in berry creek and had the same thoughts about the libertarian bullshit. Also the liberty rising butte group which just disbanded was the same way. I went to a meeting for 15 minutes and walked. In order to effect real change we need reputable people to be our voice and leaders. Honestly all our last ordinance did was make the community complacent.
Just dont get played by lawyers who really are just bullshitting you. You don't have to pay money, or have a group of lawyers in suits, to know the law and implement your rights.
This is the problem IMHO. The current medical scene and soon recreational, doesnt have the counter culture spirit which is the foundation on which this industry was built and fortified. No one wants to be there brothers keeper, its fucking bullshit imo. Now I fear capitalism and corpratocracy are moving in. Inevitable really.
This is the problem IMHO. The current medical scene and soon recreational, doesnt have the counter culture spirit which is the foundation on which this industry was built and fortified. No one wants to be there brothers keeper, its fucking bullshit imo. Now I fear capitalism and corpratocracy are moving in. Inevitable really.
damn this shit is just so depressing.
5/1 compliance checks
Forbestown @ Hurleton rd
Hurletone @ Kim Dr
Forbestown @ Little Oak
Forbestown @ WhiteFir Ln
Crystal Ranch @ Cochise
Whitewater @ Middlefork Ln
Cessna Ave @ Hegan Ln, CHICO
RunAround Rd @ Cherokee Rd
Condor Rd @ RedTape Rd
5/4
Weedy Way @ Teddy Ln BANGOR
Sunrise Hill @ Bangor Park Rd BANGOR
Avacado @ Dunstone Rd BANGOR
Obert @ Stony Oaks, BANGOR
Old Olive Hwy @ John Mardon Oroville x2 properties
Old Olive Hwy @ Peakview dr Oroville x2 properties
ViewCrest @ Peakview dr Oroville
Romelt @ Mather Oroville
Stringtown @ Dancing Wind Dr Oroville
Olive Hwy @ Tyme Oroville
5/1 compliance checks
Forbestown @ Hurleton rd
Hurletone @ Kim Dr
Forbestown @ Little Oak
Forbestown @ WhiteFir Ln
Crystal Ranch @ Cochise
Whitewater @ Middlefork Ln
Cessna Ave @ Hegan Ln, CHICO
RunAround Rd @ Cherokee Rd
Condor Rd @ RedTape Rd
5/4
Weedy Way @ Teddy Ln BANGOR
Sunrise Hill @ Bangor Park Rd BANGOR
Avacado @ Dunstone Rd BANGOR
Obert @ Stony Oaks, BANGOR
Old Olive Hwy @ John Mardon Oroville x2 properties
Old Olive Hwy @ Peakview dr Oroville x2 properties
ViewCrest @ Peakview dr Oroville
Romelt @ Mather Oroville
Stringtown @ Dancing Wind Dr Oroville
Olive Hwy @ Tyme Oroville
sorry prop cant give you any more rep so I couldn't reply... i'm on the Antelope Valley (LA co.) side of the mountain not too far away from these guys http://www.vvng.com/3389-marijuana-plants-seized-and-multiple-suspects-arrested/
It seemed to me that everyone was trying to bank on the courts. I felt like jeff was the only realistic one there who said he's ready to take it to federal court which is what might be needed because in yuba we are hanging on by a thread in the supreme court, back there for a second time and our case is black and white, the bos violated three brown acts and a state law. Their own council told them to go back and re-do the ordinance legally to avoid future litigation, and they did. We got them back peddling and the courts are still throwing out our cases.
Yeah the right lawyers are key. Rob Mckenzie knows other key players that could help butte extremely well but it seems like ego was involved with the decision not to use him. What I was told about the the current lawyer not even knowing what's going on lake county, and they gave him 50k up front made me almost puke right there on the spot. 50k for 2 years?!?!?! Can you say milking it? The pac in yuba hasn't even spent that much yet in total. The fact that no one there even knew who Joe elford was, further blew my wig back!
Prop you may have to do this yourself man. A pac needs to be formed. Rob already has the western plant science non profit set up so you should talk to him about that today. Rob mckenzie, andrew merkel, jeff phluger, Joe elford, and rick fenton's consulting firm. That would be a crusher start of an all star team that can get shit done. Having an ag attorney and the currently most active canna attorney who is also representing lake and yuba, would help a lot. 2 lawyers together can accomplish what 5 can individually.
A stable, larger capacity location needs to be found for regularly scheduled meetings. Having a PA and some order is crucial. I don't even think our first meeting in yuba was that disorganized. The while circle up and talk in turn thing lasted for what, 5 minutes? All start ups like this will have to deal with a lot of ego. From layer cake..."avoid, like the fucking plague, those that are in it for the glory."
Yeah the right lawyers are key. Rob Mckenzie knows other key players that could help butte extremely well but it seems like ego was involved with the decision not to use him. What I was told about the the current lawyer not even knowing what's going on lake county, and they gave him 50k up front made me almost puke right there on the spot. 50k for 2 years?!?!?! Can you say milking it? The pac in yuba hasn't even spent that much yet in total. The fact that no one there even knew who Joe elford was, further blew my wig back!
Prop you may have to do this yourself man. A pac needs to be formed. Rob already has the western plant science non profit set up so you should talk to him about that today. Rob mckenzie, andrew merkel, jeff phluger, Joe elford, and rick fenton's consulting firm. That would be a crusher start of an all star team that can get shit done. Having an ag attorney and the currently most active canna attorney who is also representing lake and yuba, would help a lot. 2 lawyers together can accomplish what 5 can individually.
A stable, larger capacity location needs to be found for regularly scheduled meetings. Having a PA and some order is crucial. I don't even think our first meeting in yuba was that disorganized. The while circle up and talk in turn thing lasted for what, 5 minutes? All start ups like this will have to deal with a lot of ego. From layer cake..."avoid, like the fucking plague, those that are in it for the glory."
Lmao stolen automobile parts???? Fighting cocks??? Not sound to racist but look at the names, in combination with stolen vehicle parts, I'm sorry to say but it sounds like some low level cartel tweaker shit. We got a lot of tweaker in yuba and just cause they grow some plants we always get thrown in the same boat with them. I would love Write a paper showing how we could thrown all the politicians in the same boat based on other politicians actions.
I'm not quite so sure about that myself personally. You saw the link I have for the constitutional amendment initiative that eric and rick filed and is getting backed by the california cannabis coalition?
I think the politicians are about 5 years too late on this stuff. Too many people know what good "craft" medicine is. They arnt going to want to give it up. Too many people have made the herb a part of their life and soul. I'll gorilla grow my own property if I have to, I got some genetics that I refuse to not taste! Nobody wants the prices to go up and the quality to go down, which is what will happen with the giant warehouse corporate grows.
Once education gets out there and people start to realize how indoor is so counter of the go green movement, and the environmental impacts, I think there will be a lot of hippity dippity folk that will want to grow their own organically in the sun. Then theres the organic everything food co-ops everywhere, and the non-gmo movement, and the anti-vaccination and anti big pharma movement. I just read an article about how a major food distributor in california (might be national really) is changing it's policies on humane treatment of animals and will not buy or move meat from ranches and farms that dont comply with their new more humane ideals. This kind of grass roots movement has been strong in certain parts of cali over the last few years. Oregon too. Ever watch portlandia? "What was the cows name"? Lmao that show is so true I know a lot of people in portland.
This is what I'm hoping anyways, ever since I was a little boy I always had a feeling that the herb would be what causes the next major revolution. I'm pushing the good vibes of a positive change in leadership across the entire west coast. I know we can do this. The new generations are getting more experienced and educated and the older generations are, well...getting older. Patience and pacing with a pinch of dedication will see us through to that goal, naturally.
Greed got them even that exposed though doing all that ass backward stuff They still got away with it for a while even with plywood and a large eye sore shade cloth cover SB leo has been on to that for a while. Inland Empire was the Meth Capital of the nation for a while there maybe still is? If these guys ever figure out that they can fly under the radar with carports or high tunnel pvc hoops with shade cloth sides they'll be unstoppable ...well until they start cock fighting or stealing things again and leo finds out the "new" method
i dont know how viable i am of a candidate to get this rolling, i verified this morning that my main bread and butter spot in Butte is on the radar for compliance check. they attempted to serve one last week and my crew thought it was a PGE truck honking, but turns out it was sheriff. really fucking bummed to see my project that I've sunk 6 figures and countless time into go up in smoke like that. on top of having to shut down my warehouse, my revenue this year is going to be drastically low unless Yuba turns out to be my saving grace.
and the butte crowd just doesn't seem to have its shit together. liberty rising needs to go, i dont think they offer anything worthwhile to the cause. i can't even verify if their advice is sound, it seems risky and unless zeke himself has gone to court trial with those absurd arguments than anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously. one of his silly arguments is that "measure A says medical marijuana, well technically it isn't medical its cannabis"…like that ever has a shot in a real court room.
the only shit that kind of makes sense is the difference between a city administrative judge and a judicial judge, if thats true than maybe the inspection warrants dont have any weight, but that won't stop them from going to bintf and getting criminal.
shit is just so fucked out here right, i feel like i have the worst luck in the world. literally both of my spots that i spent almost 5 years building up are going to be sitting empty for the summer.
almost all the growers i know here are being squeezed too, and i doubt most of them can contribute much financially when their grows are being shut down as well.
Rob was busy today and had to push back meeting but i will talk to him tmro about WPS and anything we can do out here. right now I'm just praying to god i dont get fined for permit violations and shit like that and have to tear down my GHs…pretty much only have 22 plants in butte county as of tmro. everything else has been moved out of here.
and the butte crowd just doesn't seem to have its shit together. liberty rising needs to go, i dont think they offer anything worthwhile to the cause. i can't even verify if their advice is sound, it seems risky and unless zeke himself has gone to court trial with those absurd arguments than anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously. one of his silly arguments is that "measure A says medical marijuana, well technically it isn't medical its cannabis"…like that ever has a shot in a real court room.
the only shit that kind of makes sense is the difference between a city administrative judge and a judicial judge, if thats true than maybe the inspection warrants dont have any weight, but that won't stop them from going to bintf and getting criminal.
shit is just so fucked out here right, i feel like i have the worst luck in the world. literally both of my spots that i spent almost 5 years building up are going to be sitting empty for the summer.
almost all the growers i know here are being squeezed too, and i doubt most of them can contribute much financially when their grows are being shut down as well.
Rob was busy today and had to push back meeting but i will talk to him tmro about WPS and anything we can do out here. right now I'm just praying to god i dont get fined for permit violations and shit like that and have to tear down my GHs…pretty much only have 22 plants in butte county as of tmro. everything else has been moved out of here.
25ftGreatWhite
Member
Prop what's your reasoning for not just going at it and accepting they either pull your plants or give you a citation? According to their report, the average citation is about $2000. If you keep your house clean, getting enforced with 24 or 36 plants isn't worth the county's time or resources for a criminal trial.
24 Blue Dream ain't bad.
24 Blue Dream ain't bad.
I'm more worried about bintf than code enforcement, if they connect the dots and realize i have more than one spot than it could be all bad. lose the battle but stay to fight another day. also I'm playing the "dont respond" game that won't let them issue a inspection warrant so they might get pissed and try to go for criminal, and seems like butte county judge is signing criminal warrants for bullshit reasons.
im gonna plant my GHs with passionflowers and some veggies and if they really want to waste their time and barge in here with a bullshit warrant and I'm clean with not even an Oz of bud, maybe i can sue those mother fuckers.
im gonna plant my GHs with passionflowers and some veggies and if they really want to waste their time and barge in here with a bullshit warrant and I'm clean with not even an Oz of bud, maybe i can sue those mother fuckers.
25ftGreatWhite
Member
Lease agreements, you're simply an owner of multiple properties.
Butte is financially broke, so is Yuba, and losing a high profile, drawn-out legal case will surely sober the powers that be. The JointedOne had a point with his counter culture comment. Trinity, Humboldt and Mendocinco know this well.
Butte is financially broke, so is Yuba, and losing a high profile, drawn-out legal case will surely sober the powers that be. The JointedOne had a point with his counter culture comment. Trinity, Humboldt and Mendocinco know this well.
Idk if the county will want to step into criminal law. There's a lot more case law there. The people vs kelly already set the standard that the government has no right to tell doctors how much of anything they can prescribe to a patient. Nothing in that case, nor prop 215, nor sb420 clarify outdoor cultivation rights but they do clarify numbers.
How is everyone just magically broke because they arnt planting a season that hasn't even started yet? I truly don't understand where everyone puts their money. No 401k or rainy day fund? No back up "I need lawyers" stash?
Let those fools have their 50k gonna take 2 years bs lawyer. Pull jeff and Andrew away from that crew and assemble a proper team.
If you think it's bad now, just wait until we see the effects of all the state and assembly bills that are being pushed through left and right.
How is everyone just magically broke because they arnt planting a season that hasn't even started yet? I truly don't understand where everyone puts their money. No 401k or rainy day fund? No back up "I need lawyers" stash?
Let those fools have their 50k gonna take 2 years bs lawyer. Pull jeff and Andrew away from that crew and assemble a proper team.
If you think it's bad now, just wait until we see the effects of all the state and assembly bills that are being pushed through left and right.
