Butane Residue Test Results

[SkyHighLer]

SkyHighLer: I have a tank of Ecogreen here. I will be using the following procedure to distill it. Please advise if any steps could be done better. I will post a report when done. I am waiting for some parts but should be able to start in about 7 to 10 days.

1: Turn supply tank upside down to distill straight from tank.
2: A spool will be the catch container. This will be in DI liquid bath.
3: The supply tank will only be heated as required to move the gas. It will be very slow passive distill. The supply tank will be keep as cold as the process will allow.
4: Repeat between two spools until the residue and smell are gone.

Any suggestions to do this any better? I wonder if people have fouled their recovery tanks by putting dirty gas in them. Is this why they can't get a clean run?

Slower, and more control over the rate. It's very simple to determine whether you're getting a pure distill, take a 300ml sample from the receiving tank and boil it off in a lightweight pre-tared bag, vac purge the bag and get a net weight, you need to go by weight, as looks are very, very deceiving.

Seriously guys, I'm needed to do the above test for you on these tanks? The test is explained more fully at the bottom of the first post of this thread, pictures in my second post. Do you need a video?

 

[SkyHighLer]

I took it upon myself to retest the Puritane 9X. The case came from Best Value Vacs bought surreptitiously. A couple of days ago J.W. at Puritane told me it was shipped to BVV a couple or three months ago, and that they themselves get fresh batches from the factory weekly. He sent me a couple of cans for further retesting.

All they had to do was learn how to do my test and monitor the degradation of their filter stacks. If they think my test is "cute" like the owner of Capital called it back channel last year, please find a third party lab that I can't call BS on, and monitor your product religiously. Experience the wrath of the truth...

Puretane 9X #4 had 0.021g of residue (three cans shot to the same test bag, this is the result divided by three)

Puretane 9X, USA, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "14352 (1) 34674" SN's "02253, 02273, and 02286"

SN "02253" had 0.023g of residue

SN "02273" had 0.020g of residue

SN "02286" had 0.020g of residue


Puretane 9X #5 had 0.015g of residue (two cans shot to the same test bag, this it the result divided by two)

Puretane 9X, USA, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "15017 (1) 34674 08313" and "15019 (1) 34674 02787"

SN "08313" had 0.014g of residue

SN "02787" had 0.016g of residue


That's a huge difference from last year's ~0.002g per can.

 

[GratefulOne]

Slower, and more control over the rate. It's very simple to determine whether you're getting a pure distill, take a 300ml sample from the receiving tank and boil it off in a lightweight pre-tared bag, vac purge the bag and get a net weight, you need to go by weight, as looks are very, very deceiving.

Seriously guys, I'm needed to do the above test for you on these tanks? The test is explained more fully at the bottom of the first post of this thread, pictures in my second post. Do you need a video?

Yes the process is very simple. I was asking for a double check of the process steps so a simple how to guide could be made. My idea was to use a passive set up so anyone could do it. The multiple spools allows multiple chances to get it right. A clean and proper distill can be confirmed before adding butane to the main supply tank.

I agree a single pure distill should deliver clean solvent. I was assuming people were going slow and cold already. If they are and the gas is still bad I can't afford to waste the time or risk fouling a tank.

I have to take Krunch's words to heart and not waste the time. I am going to return the Ecogreen. The bad smell is something I have never had before and I don’t care to risk losing time.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Yes the process is very simple. I was asking for a double check of the process steps so a simple how to guide could be made. My idea was to use a passive set up so anyone could do it. The multiple spools allows multiple chances to get it right. A clean and proper distill can be confirmed before adding butane to the main supply tank.

I agree a single pure distill should deliver clean solvent. I was assuming people were going slow and cold already. If they are and the gas is still bad I can't afford to waste the time or risk fouling a tank.

I have to take Krunch's words to heart and not waste the time. I am going to return the Ecogreen. The bad smell is something I have never had before and I don’t care to risk losing time.

"I was assuming people were going slow and cold already."

I don't believe they are. Let me say that again, I don't believe they are. One, two, and three, I don't believe they are.

 

[GratefulOne]

Cha-Cha-Cha!


I hear ya. Thank you!

 

[SkyHighLer]

London had 0.025g of residue

London, England, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "DOM 03.09.14 19:14"

 

[SkyHighLer]

Cha-Cha-Cha!


I hear ya. Thank you!

You're welcome, I'll shut up now. Btw, the Bleu Magic is due Monday.

I sincerely feel sorry for the smoke shops and other retailers who bought heavily into Capital and Puritane, I'd better retest Stok also...

 

[Pangea]

Thanks!

London, not so good high on the mystery oils. Its to bad several years ago colibri was the common brand at 7/11 then they switched to London.

Glad I'm distilling it!

 

[Rotel]

I wonder if the factory fire in Korea will start various labels to play musical chairs with their production lines.

It seems that over time there is a significant variance within a given brand. Possibly due to variables influenced by maintenance / lubrication of the cartridge manufacturing equipment?

 

[SkyHighLer]

I wonder if the factory fire in Korea will start various labels to play musical chairs with their production lines.

It seems that over time there is a significant variance within a given brand. Possibly due to variables influenced by maintenance / lubrication of the cartridge manufacturing equipment?

The two brands I've caught with large swings in amount of non-volatile residue were the small domestic startups Capital and Purtane. Vector 14X had almost exactly the same amount at retest. Ronson's holding steady... best way to ensure you've got excellent canned butane is to test can(s) from the date code lot(s) of your case(s.) Learn how to do the stupid test so in case I die I can rest in peace....

 

[SkyHighLer]

I just ordered Stok Absolute Purity, Colibri, Newport, Lucienne, and Neon 5X for retest. Knock on wood, no more crap. I'll retest the rest of the top of the Best to Worst list asap.

 

[SkyHighLer]

i can get master cases all day.. ill send you a pm

You in business, very little residue, and the residue had little odor or color.

Bleu Magic had .0035g of residue (two cans shot to the same test bag, this is the result divided by two)

Bleu Magic, no country of manufacture, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "13119"

Can #1 had 0.004g of residue

Can #2 had 0.003g of residue

I'd like to test more cans to determine more accurately the amount of residue, feel free to send me a few more.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I should be posting up numerous retest results this week, the cans arrived, but I was too busy running around at the Cannabis Cup this weekend to get started. Here's a picture of the owner of Terpp Extractors and myself, later in the day he asked me if I'd be interested in testing bulk supplies from the big US distributors, straight eye to eye offer, and I balked, look at me picture dudes, I'm sick. After feeling so uncomfortable about having the two leftover thirty pound Ecogreen tanks around, I've got to declare I'm about at my limit of sticking my neck out, like I said, I'm sick, I just can't go to jail, it would literally kill me.

Please learn how to perform the KISS test I've devised on all your butane supplies, before and after distillation. Retest yourself, please don't trust anyone's blathering BS about some third party lab test that can't be linked to or posted up here to disprove me.

I heard from one one of Puretane's vendors that Puretane is now in the process of having their butane retested, and will get back to him. I don't follow Instagram, but the word out there should be it failed badly SkyHighLer's retest. You don't need to wait for third party retesting, do my test on a can yourself.

Surely there must be some hyper intelligent college kid extractor that can see this is a no brainer, do the test, and smirkily do the responsible thing, and post up his results. But oh no, any spare time and all you kids now days want to do is fuck your brains out.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I retested Power 5X and Neon 5X today.

Power 5X #3 had 0.019g of residue

Power 5X, Korea, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "141203"


Neon 5X #4 had 0.007g of residue

Neon 5X, China, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "Manufactured On 20/04/2014(0 0 5 3 9)"


Neon 5X's a little dirtier than my original round of testing, but not by much.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I retested Lucienne and Colibri today.

Lucienne #5 had 0.009g of residue (three cans shot to the same test bag, this is the result divided by three)

Lucienne, England, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "DOM 05.01.15 22:40"


Colibri #2 had 0.022g of residue (two cans shot to the same test bag, this is the result divided by two)

Colibri, UK, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "DOM 28.08.14 10:51"


They don't really test like you're imagining, learn how to do my test, and test a can out of each date of manufacture lot you buy.

 

[OG_TGR]

I was going to get a #30 from EcoGreen but due to some delays, got a MC of "Whip-it 9x".

I actually told them to get Purtane, and apparently the mix up could be a good thing.

I wonder why is it that you divide multiple cans for testing residual numbers but only use single cans for others? Doesn't this potentially skew your results?

First can I pulled out has a "130911" stamp, and these are manufactured in S Korea.

I'll see if I can't run a test on a can when my extractor arrives and I head out the the processing area.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I was going to get a #30 from EcoGreen but due to some delays, got a MC of "Whip-it 9x".

I actually told them to get Purtane, and apparently the mix up could be a good thing.

I wonder why is it that you divide multiple cans for testing residual numbers but only use single cans for others? Doesn't this potentially skew your results?

First can I pulled out has a "130911" stamp, and these are manufactured in S Korea.

I'll see if I can't run a test on a can when my extractor arrives and I head out the the processing area.

Multiple cans versus single cans... I usually only run multiple cans if the amount an residual is so little my scale can barely read it. Lately I've been running multiple cans with vac downs/weight checks between cans trying to find any differences within lots.

If you consulted my list, and still bought whip-it! 9X over Power 5X, and you didn't get a better price I don't get your reasoning.

Do my test before and after distillation, remember to dry off the outside of the bag, and then vacuum it before taking the final weight.

For those wondering about the test it's described at the bottom of the first post of this thread.

The 'mirror test' is pure BS. Every extractor open or CLS needs to be testing their own solvent supply. If you keep watch of the test bag boil off temperature, keeping the evaporating dish temp under the bag from climbing above ambient, you can check for pentane, etc., and water.

 

[OG_TGR]

Yep, my mistake, totally had that order reversed.

Still wish I had gotten the EcoGreen and distilled. Now I've apparently got to distill these small cans...

 

[krunchbubble]

Still wish I had gotten the EcoGreen and distilled...

No, you dont....

Boycott...

 

[Hydrosun]

No, you dont....

Boycott...

Yes I am very disappointed that TERPP is silent on this issue.

I know some people who ONLY went to EcoGarbage because they were linked to and recommended by the sponsor of this forum.

I know that Terpp can't control EcoGarbage's terrible business practices, but they don't have to be shilling for / recommending them anymore.