Butane Residue Test Results

[montroller]

EcoGreen just got back to me about it. They said that it was some "fatty acid compounds" that are are not harmful to humans. They sent me THIS lab report.

SMH, using plastic in the manufacturing process?!?

I wonder if that nasty smell KB was getting is from the ethyl crotonate?

Also it is important to find out exactly how much DNOP is in there because it has an extremely low daily limit.

 

[krunchbubble]

EcoGreen just got back to me about it. They said that it was some "fatty acid compounds" that are are not harmful to humans. They sent me THIS lab report.

SMH, using plastic in the manufacturing process?!?

I wonder if that nasty smell KB was getting is from the ethyl crotonate?

Also it is important to find out exactly how much DNOP is in there because it has an extremely low daily limit.

THAT IS SOME BULLSHIT!!!

 

[SkyHighLer]

I don't trust any of these labs, even the one that did that test, Specialty Analytical, that's the lab GW found to do the first GC-MS tests of the Mystery Oil. Because that lab, nor any other have been able to provide non-volatile residue test results I question whether they even know how to obtain a sample to test.

Ask Sean to get us a detailed explanation of the test procedure used to obtain those results, and what exactly are the goals of the test?

From the report,

"List of condensable compounds detected:
<snip>"

What you want is the test for non-condensable compounds. You want to know the weight per volume, and identity.

The wight per volume SA did for GW was done on some sort of machine according to GW. I paid $75 each for them until I noticed the results were all over the place and not to be trusted. Why this thread exists, I took it upon myself to do the testing until a lab with consistent results could be found. Still waiting.................

The identity of the non-volatile residue (Mystery Oil) was determined, and probably fairly accurately via GC-MS of a large sample GW obtained by boiling off dozens of cans of butane.


I suggest if you wish to proceed you do your best to get an uncontaminated, representative sample of the non-volatile residue (Mystery Oil) from a tank of EcoGreen and send it to Specialty Analytical for analysis, I reimbursed GW for the GC-MS, so I know it runs about $250.

 

[Hydrosun]

I want to know all the fucking compounds!!!! Condensible, noncondensible, volitile, nonvolitle!!!!!

If I am paying for 99.99% X, I want to know what other .01% is....

Not too fucking hard when they charge 2 - 3X the cost of canned tane!!!!

 

[SkyHighLer]

I've done all I can to investigate the purity of the solvent supply, and until someone else offers to post up something more substantial, you're stuck with my word.

So, who is SkyHighLer, and where did he come from?

I'm just a crazy stoner, like many of you I presume... but I do have a little pride:

I had a full tuition, four year Merit Scholarship to USC to study Pharmacology back in the early 70's.

This is my natal chart, seriously it's mine, I could be Professor Brainard as in my 'Flubber' ICMAG Forum Avatar.

http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astr...na&COUNTRY=USA&STATE=CA&INPUT9=&Submit=Submit

Here's a picture of my Grampa Earle Stanley SkyHighLer and myself, John Edward SkyHighLer in the driveway of my parents home on 108th Street between Western and Denker in L.A. My Grampa's time machine is in the background, see the magic jewel on the steering wheel? Ivy and morning glory covered fence can be seen in the bright sunlight behind us.

The other picture is my Grandmother's wedding ring, "Earle to Jeanette." Earle was a mining man from Denver, and Jeanette Adamson/SkyHighLer is the source of my kosher genes from Oklahoma. My father, Harold Stanley SkyHighLer was a 'tin knocker' (sheet metal fabricator) from AZ....

Don't get me started on my mother's side, that's where we Rohl the Rose an' Otto... oh, what the heck, Dorothy Mary Hilleson/SkyHighLer, whence the Legion of Mary, my mother wanted a Weir do Hunter. ;-) Her mother was Eleanor Central, one hot sage, I'm named after her father 'Jack'/John Edward Hilleson, an MGM Studios machinist. Dude was a gentleman wolf, always taking cruise trips with the ladies after he split up with Gramma Ella. I remember spending a week or two with her, she bought me a record player and a copy of Ghost Riders in the Sky, oh, and a copy of Hoyle's Book of Rules, because I was willing to learn all the rules to card games we'd play in the evenings with Rose and Otto, her second husband Howard, and I. Best of times. Auntie Vi(kuntha) gave me a TV of my own when I was very young, she was a vaudeville performer, my mom used to hang with her in the wings, talk about liberal, Auntie Vi lived with her female lover when it totally wasn't cool.

Sibblings/Cuzz's are a way further metaphysical adventure.....

Back to digging deeper for that understanding that passeth all awesomeness, hope this share has been of assistance.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Today I picked up a can of Ronson at my local Walgreens for retest. I also ordered a case of the new Puretane 9X with seamless cans for retest, yikes, cost me $84 with shipping. I ordered it through Best Value Vacs so it should be an entirely random sample. Coming via UPS Ground across country so I won't be testing it until at least late next week.

 

[Pangea]

I got that London sent off to you last week, sent it cheap and slow though.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I got that London sent off to you last week, sent it cheap and slow though.

Thank you! I'll post up as soon as it arrives.

 

[UNREGISTRD]

Skyhighler have you ever heard of BlueMagic tane? I just seen it last week and noticed you didnt have it on your test results....

 

[SkyHighLer]

I can't find it for sale anywhere, seems to be spelled Bleu Magic... I had a request for it a year ago at another Forum.

 

[UNREGISTRD]

I can't find it for sale anywhere, seems to be spelled Bleu Magic... I had a request for it a year ago at another Forum.

i can get master cases all day.. ill send you a pm

 

[Hydrosun]

Thank you! I'll post up as soon as it arrives.

I can get you the remains of a contaminated 70/30 blend if you want to test the remaining lbs for the magic nastiness.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I can get you the remains of a contaminated 70/30 blend if you want to test the remaining lbs for the magic nastiness.

Are you describing a "EcoGreen Custom Blend" tank? You've never returned gas to it, and you've only been pulling liquid via the dip tube from it? If you've for some reason turned the tank upside down and released much vapor the remaining liquid will no longer be a representative sample of the butane, propane, and the volatile and non-volatile residues...

So, if were still at yes, then I'm in the Inland Empire of SoCal, and if that's still a go, maybe we can arrange something. Thanks for the offer!

 

[SkyHighLer]

I hear I'm going to be getting a can of Bleu Magic soon...

I retested Ronson, the 5.82oz/165g (~300ml) seamless cans available at any Walgreens drug store for $6 plus tax. Very nice stuff, the residue was clear with no odor, but I found a little more residue than my original testing, actually the same amount as I found for Zippo, the parent manufacturer when I retested it. Guess they slipped a little from their initial runs at "Near Zero Impurities," but are holding the line at a very respectable degree of cleanliness.

Ronson #4 had 0.006g of residue

Ronson, USA, 300ml/165g can, reads on the bottom "H1314"

 

[squarepush3r]

hi guys

Here is a residual solvent test I had done on an extract (Rick Simpson type however did not use Naptha) at SDPharmLabs. The service cost $70 and seems to be very complete with 24 solvents tested for, also they are adding in more solvents to test for soon so it will be closer to 30 total.

http://www.sdpharmlabs.com/results/99296ad1eb8cd89661d163ddea3f16f1

r_ethanol: 0.03 mg/g
r_n_pentane: Below Limit of Detection
r_ether: Below Limit of Detection
r_2_propanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_acetone: Below Limit of Detection
r_ethyl_formate: 0.004 mg/g
r_methyl_acetate: 0.005 mg/g
r_1_propanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_2_butanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_2_butanone: Below Limit of Detection
r_ethyl_acetate: Below Limit of Detection
r_2_methyl_1_propanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_tert_butyl_methyl_ether: Below Limit of Detection
r_isopropyl_cetate: 0.017 mg/g
r_1_butanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_n_heptane: Below Limit of Detection
r_propyl_acetate: Below Limit of Detection
r_3_methyl_1_butanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_4_methyl_2_pentanone: Below Limit of Detection
r_1_pentanol: Below Limit of Detection
r_isobutyl_acetate: Below Limit of Detection
r_butyl_acetate: Below Limit of Detection
r_isopropylbenzene: 0.027 mg/g
r_anisole: Below Limit of Detection
r_residual: 0.083 mg/g

I posted this in a different thread but the moderators here would not allow it so I am piggybacking it here.

 

[Hydrosun]

Are you describing a "EcoGreen Custom Blend" tank? You've never returned gas to it, and you've only been pulling liquid via the dip tube from it? If you've for some reason turned the tank upside down and released much vapor the remaining liquid will no longer be a representative sample of the butane, propane, and the volatile and non-volatile residues...

So, if were still at yes, then I'm in the Inland Empire of SoCal, and if that's still a go, maybe we can arrange something. Thanks for the offer!

That is YES. A single liquid pull out of the tank ONCE, so the remaining weight is what was left from the 24lb stated starting weight.

I think there is a cup coming up in a few weeks, and dropping it off on the way would probably work.

No matter how pure the stuff is it is unusable for medicine!

 

[SkyHighLer]

^ Thanks bro, I'm contacting you back channel, see you at the High Times Cannabis Cup in San Bernardino February 7th and 8th.

http://www.cannabiscup.com/southern-california#info

If anyone has connections to that event, I would like to do a formal High Times' interview on the 'Mystery Oil.'

 

[Gray Wolf]

On that subject, I posted the following on his facebook page.

Cutting to the chase, define zero!

Do you cut off at percent, parts per millionth, parts per billionth, parts per quadrillian???????

In chemistry, and in toxity, there is no finite zero and if you analyze mothers milk or drinking water, you will find things like gold, arsenic, etc, at the parts per billionth level.

Poison is in the dosage, and even a 75% oxygen atmosphere will kill us mortals.

So, knowing that, NIOSH government hygienist studied the relative toxicity of the different chemicals that end up in our bodies, and set maximum standards for exposure.

In addition, the FDA has set standards for what is allowable in food products and pharmaceuticals.

We are not pilgrims in a strange land, professionals have plowed this ground before those of without advanced degrees in the medical field.

We also have GC/MS analysis measured in Parts Per Billionth by a certified third party forensic lab, telling us precisely what is in the butane, making the claims that butane has a lubricant added for lighters ludicrous, and continuing to perpetuate the myth after the empirical results were made readily available, suggest either ignorance or secondary motives.

No wild ass guessing necessary, those actual results are may be read at:
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/

What is removed in a single pass depends on the temperature and pressures used.

For instance, the most common residual found if the distiller elevates the temperature too high, or pulls a vacuum, is Pentane.

Pentane boils at 33.1C/97F under one atmosphere pressure. We use an 29C/85F and stop recovering at zero gauge/atmospheric pressure. Distilling hotter and recovering below 0 gauge doesn't leave the Pentane behind.

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927384

Do we eliminate all the Pentane? No we don't reduce the Pentane to absolute zero.

What we do is lower it below the parts per millionth level, and into the parts per billionth range.

What does that mean health wise? The FDA/Pharma standards say:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Guidances/ucm073395.pdf

Solvents in Class 3 (Table 3) may be regarded as less toxic and of lower risk to human health. Class 3 includes no solvent known as a human health hazard at levels normally accepted in pharmaceuticals.

However, there are no long-term toxicity or carcinogenicity studies for many of the solvents in Class 3. Available data indicate that they are less toxic in acute or short-term studies and negative in genotoxicity studies.

It is considered that amounts of these residual solvents of 50 mg per day or less (corresponding to 5,000 ppm or 0.5 percent under Option 1) would be acceptable without justification. Higher amounts may also be acceptable provided they are realistic in relation to manufacturing capability and good manufacturing practice (GMP).

Ya'll will note that 5000 ppm, is several orders of magnitude above most lighter brands that have not yet been cleaned.

You may see the orders of magnitude found in the butane I had tested, as well as see how that ranks them compares to others tested by 3rd party individuals like Skyhighler:

http://www.tokecity.com/forums/show...-Mystery-Oil&p=1338141&viewfull=1#post1338141

To keep toxicity in perspective, please note that Class 3 chemicals includes solvents used as food stuff, like Ethanol, and Acetic acid (vinegar).

That brings us back to the subject of perspective!

How much concentrate would a 1 gram per day cancer patient ingest at the current dispensary standards of 50 ppm, certified by third party lab?

50mg/1000mg = .000500 or 500 ppm maximum allowable. One order of magnitude below the 5000 ppm maximum exposure.

Current standards of 50 ppm, are therefore yet another order of magnitude below that, so if it passes, it is at least two orders of magnitude less that levels of concern.

Bringing us back to the 1000 mg/day patient, whom at the 50ppm limit, would be 50ppm/1,000,000ppm = .00005. .00005 X 1000 mg=.05 mg per day exposure

.05 mg/day is three orders of magnitude less than 50 mg per day or 1/1000th.

Clearly BHO concentrates regularly pass so as to be sold in dispensaries, so messages suggesting that it is difficult to do so, are not addressing that reality.

Sooooo, how about those selling concentrates directly and not lab testing them?

Good question?? It has been an unregulated market, but you will note that that lack of regulation is history in some states and more are following.

What is the probability that some of the untested ones are above 50 ppm residual solvent?

I would venture about 100%.

Do those represent the market?

Not remotely, as demonstrated by certified third party lab results.

 

[GratefulOne]

Graywolf- When you say "his facebook page", who exactly is this? Ecogreen?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Graywolf- When you say "his facebook page", who exactly is this? Ecogreen?

MO Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mystery-Oil/191952837642348

Here is what he replaced my post with.

For the love of God! Gray Wolf is just another backyard-scientist running canned lighter fluid through HVAC recovery pumps on a picnic table in an attempt to hold on to the status-quo of profits from processes that use dirty gas. If he is your source of science, please, don't share it here. Cheers.

If you can't refute the facts offered, attack the messengers credibility!