Butane Residue Test Results

[krunchbubble]

Wow, Eco greens really gotcha working .... you should send them a bill for the hours you should have been extracting. In talks w/ praxair to become a distributor (praxair wants out of the butane business) ... if that happens, I'd love your business. Been using praxair gas for the past three years, and have NEVER had a problem

Ya, I have to get away from Ecogreen gas....

Today is ANOTHER distill day! Kinda takes the fun out of making oil when you have to make a day of cleaning your solvent...

Talked to Hydrocarbon Solutions, they are local but 4X the price of Ecogreen and most likely China sourced gas like ecogreen..

Guess im going to have to go the Praxair route soon, this is bullshit...

 

[GratefulOne]

I hit em up already, no response...

Did you ever hear back from EcoGreen?

 

[SkyHighLer]

Ya, I have to get away from Ecogreen gas....

Today is ANOTHER distill day! Kinda takes the fun out of making oil when you have to make a day of cleaning your solvent...

Talked to Hydrocarbon Solutions, they are local but 4X the price of Ecogreen and most likely China sourced gas like ecogreen..

Guess im going to have to go the Praxair route soon, this is bullshit...

There are enough of you CLS extractors out there now with the credentials to buy openly with the big bulk suppliers that I'd like to suggest something... let's get the all the grades from a single supplier third party tested. Let's find out the actual difference between grades.

Btw, Sean at EcoGreen told me back when I tested their first container load that he for sure was going to make sure his next imports were clean...
Learn how to do my test, and first test samples from overseas or go over there and test on their factory floors.

 

[krunchbubble]

Did you ever hear back from EcoGreen?

Do you mean Hydrocarbon Solutions? Yes, 4X the price of Ecogreen

There are enough of you CLS extractors out there now with the credentials to buy openly with the big bulk suppliers that I'd like to suggest something... let's get the all the grades from a single supplier third party tested. Let's find out the actual difference between grades.

Btw, Sean at EcoGreen told me back when I tested their first container load that he for sure was going to make sure his next imports were clean...
Learn how to do my test, and first test samples from overseas or go over there and test on their factory floors.

Thats actually a great idea!

 

[GratefulOne]

Sorry Krunch I was under the impression you had contacted EcoGreen to ask WTF was up with the gas.

The box I have from them says 99.9%. It seems that maybe an overstatement. As always the plan is to distill but what you saw and smelled was ridiculous.

I am just wondering if EcoGreen has anything to say about this.

 

[A6 Grower]

Ive gotten 99.5 from airgas 2x and have never been to impressed. Ive gotten ecogreens 99.9% a few times, not really impressed. I can get canned shit locally for cheaper then n-tane and its leaves about the same residue and in the end makes the same clean stuff according to the 12 solvent test at analytical360. Distill it once into my "distill storage tank" then run it threw post run material for a second distill, then check it with a third. Third is always clean, i can usually distill 30-40lbs in a day(8 hours). I do this every 15-20 days. I like to get pure n-tane from eco green or airgas when i can but when i get canned stuff the only difference i can tell is i have to tap a bunch of cans.

Ive just come to accept unless you want to pay some company to distill your gas for you(very expensive from what i hear) you're gonna get shitty gas from everyone. Its annoying.....

 

[SkyHighLer]

Please stop importing crap, you will be exposed! ;-))

Super 7X had 0.023g of residue

Super 7X, Korea, 300ml can, reads on the bottom "140712"



Superblu 9X had 0.032g of residue

Superblu 9X, Korea, 320ml can, reads on the bottom "131218"

 

[pusbag]

mystery oil problems

mystery oil problems

Blasting a new terpp mk4 clean and having mystery oil issues. normally it runs clean after a dozen uses or so but this new
machine is still coming out dirty. This is also the first time buying gas instead of can tapping. After reading this, thinking its coming from the 99% matheson butane i got. So looks like i need another recovery cylinder so i can distill the gas multiple times until it comes clean. need to be able to pass 502 regulations. Thoughts ? Advice ?

 

[Hydrosun]

Blasting a new terpp mk4 clean and having mystery oil issues. normally it runs clean after a dozen uses or so but this new
machine is still coming out dirty. This is also the first time buying gas instead of can tapping. After reading this, thinking its coming from the 99% matheson butane i got. So looks like i need another recovery cylinder so i can distill the gas multiple times until it comes clean. need to be able to pass 502 regulations. Thoughts ? Advice ?

run it with used / shit material to capture the mystry oil / crap that evaporates at low temp (so we keep getting it back into the recovery tank)....

It is working for a few of us. Also 50/50 shit material and activated charcoal works well.

 

[pusbag]

am also going to keep collection pot in 72 degree water so as not to evaporate any uglies.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I think you're boiling the butane off too rapidly and getting spatter up the intake tube. My take is you need to keep the energy your pumping into the walls of the collection pot under control, if your using a water bath with a heater, put a Variac or a heavy duty solid state fan controller on that heater and slowly bring it up, having a view port in your collection pot lid should make dialing it in easy. Using a thermostat alone is different than controlling the energy available, with a thermostat alone the boiling butane will suck all the energy your heater's got.

Also, to clarify my understanding, are you filling the collection pot and then distilling or are you piping the liquid butane into the heated collection pot while simultaneously pulling off the vapor with your pump?

 

[Hydrosun]

am also going to keep collection pot in 72 degree water so as not to evaporate any uglies.

The water will get to 5x.x degrees and ice will from around your collection pot (which is fine for these purpuses, we want to capture the SHIT in our shit oil product). We know it is there, and we'd need a mass spec and gas cromat to figure out what it is...

We just need it GONE so 50/50 activated carbon and low yielding dry as shit old material works best....

Purge in water bath, pour off method for shit oil AFTER you distill as much as possible through the sacraficial / filter column...

Purge the shit oil at 110* for 1.5 hours, THEN apply vac to the purging process... Vac purge at 110* for 12 hours, cool slab and flip patty.... Vac purge at 95* for 24 more hours (flip every 6hrs). Test shit oil at the 36hr point. The low temp solvants and contaminants will have purged out.

the shit oil should taste CLEAN....

Gas in collection tank should smell clean when purged through the vapor port....

 

[Hydrosun]

am also going to keep collection pot in 72 degree water so as not to evaporate any uglies.

Please give a smoke report of the purged shit oil....

 

[pusbag]

I think you're boiling the butane off too rapidly and getting spatter up the intake tube. My take is you need to keep the energy your pumping into the walls of the collection pot under control, if your using a water bath with a heater, put a Variac or a heavy duty solid state fan controller on that heater and slowly bring it up, having a view port in your collection pot lid should make dialing it in easy. Using a thermostat alone is different than controlling the energy available, with a thermostat alone the boiling butane will suck all the energy your heater's got.

Also, to clarify my understanding, are you filling the collection pot and then distilling or are you piping the liquid butane into the heated collection pot while simultaneously pulling off the vapor with your pump?

I am injecting liquid while machine is in can tap mode so no material yet just filters. Machine been sitting in water bath of 90 degree, valve to recovery pump is closed while injecting liquid then after I turn off liquid valve I open valve for pump. Sounds like my temp is too high. Should i just dip in warm water when pot ices up? Just trying to get all the mystery oil out.

 

[vividavis]

Sorry Krunch I was under the impression you had contacted EcoGreen to ask WTF was up with the gas.

The box I have from them says 99.99%. It seems that maybe an overstatement. As always the plan is to distill but what you saw and smelled was ridiculous.

I am just wondering if EcoGreen has anything to say about this.

EcoGreen just got back to me about it. They said that it was some "fatty acid compounds" that are are not harmful to humans. They sent me THIS lab report.

 

[Hydrosun]

I am injecting liquid while machine is in can tap mode so no material yet just filters. Machine been sitting in water bath of 90 degree, valve to recovery pump is closed while injecting liquid then after I turn off liquid valve I open valve for pump. Sounds like my temp is too high. Should i just dip in warm water when pot ices up? Just trying to get all the mystery oil out.

people were saying passive recovery is best so give it time and no warm water on the bath.

Also use lab filters to keep any small charcole particles out of the oil...

You want to trap all the bad stuff in the shit oil....

Purging the shit oil should in theory remove the bad stuff from it, but priority one is to COLD distill our gas a few times...

First through shit material, and eventually through our better material.

 

[GratefulOne]

How does purging "shit oil" remove the all mystery oil or other long chain molecules? Wouldn’t the heaviest ones stay even with a heavy purge?

Did I misread it?

 

[Hydrosun]

We want them all staying in the shit oil at pour out, and yes the heavy ones would stay through a vac oven purge, but the light shit ones would leave.

With the EcoGas we are sumizing that there is some low boiling temp nasty solvent (tainted propane???) That comes out in the vac oven...

I would give a taste test to the shit oil after a 36 hour purge, because I personally want to know... I've enjoyed open blast low purge oil for years, all of which has mystery oil. Ecogas just seem to STINK more than most, but the mystery oil isn't too high a %.

I will sample ANYTHING I produce even if I intend to toss it.

 

[GratefulOne]

I see what your saying now. Thanks

 

[SkyHighLer]

I think you're boiling the butane off too rapidly and getting spatter up the intake tube. My take is you need to keep the energy your pumping into the walls of the collection pot under control, if your using a water bath with a heater, put a Variac or a heavy duty solid state fan controller on that heater and slowly bring it up, having a view port in your collection pot lid should make dialing it in easy. Using a thermostat alone is different than controlling the energy available, with a thermostat alone the boiling butane will suck all the energy your heater's got.

Also, to clarify my understanding, are you filling the collection pot and then distilling or are you piping the liquid butane into the heated collection pot while simultaneously pulling off the vapor with your pump?

I am injecting liquid while machine is in can tap mode so no material yet just filters. Machine been sitting in water bath of 90 degree, valve to recovery pump is closed while injecting liquid then after I turn off liquid valve I open valve for pump. Sounds like my temp is too high. Should i just dip in warm water when pot ices up? Just trying to get all the mystery oil out.

I assume only butane is boiling off when I do my non-volatile residue tests, at least until near the end when I'm down to the volatile residues like pentane. I adjust the energy delivered to the bag via a Variac on a silicone heater under my dish the boil off bag sits in. The Variac is adjusted so the boiling is kept below the point where when I place my hand into the bag I don't feel cool splatters. The surface of the butane at my fastest speed of boil off is mostly covered with fine bubbles, but like I said, a little more energy and I can feel the liquid splatters coming up several inches from the surface.

Load your collection pot, remove the lid, and place the pot in your temp controlled water bath. I'll be waiting for you to tell me you're still sure you're not sucking spatter...

I suggest you guys try a slow distillation, maybe even passive, and check and see if that doesn't do it completely in one pass.

Can't you just turn a full EcoGreen tank upside down, and slowly distill the butane to another empty storage tank with a heat differential? Seems to me you could be doing this while taking care of other business during the day...