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Broad Mites?

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RetroGrow

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Again if anyone actually reads the first few pages of this thread ...they'd know that using a wetting agent with Avid will prevent any issues with the lights on... In one room I run (6) 1000 watt hps lights over (2) 4x8 trays ...and I spray Avid right underneath them with ZERO ISSUES.....

Damn Bro Science is going to clog this thread to high hell...its already filled with endless pages of Crap b4 you get some good info ...

I was killing broadmites for fun when most people on here thought they had TMV..

Avid with the lights on will kill 99% of them with the first spray... couple follow ups with Forbid/Avid and your gravy...

I swear the next person who says Floramite kills broadmites is a fucken idiot

The ongoing problem with broadmites is, now matter what method you use to treat, they keep coming back, because they are not only on your plants, but everywhere in your house/yard, etc. They WILL come back. I don't think there's anyway to stop that. When I was treating these with Avid, etc., I had huge trees, 7 feet tall, and it was a royal pain in the ass spraying large plants. Had to drag each one outside, spray it down, trying to make sure not to miss a spot (not easy with trees), then set it down in a separate area, drag the next one out, and on & on. It was extremely tedious and time consuming work, that had to be repeated every three days as eggs are always hatching and more mites continuously entering the room either from outside or from elsewhere in your house through the ventilation ducting, etc. Not to mention the toxicity of the chems, and need to wear protective gear at each spraying. So I found the heat method much easier for my particular situation, large trees in a vertical setup. Much easier for me to just turn the heat on and leave it for an hour, than to spend hours spraying toxins. Not to mention that some folks just don't want Forbid on their meds. Everyone's situation is different, but for me, the heat was much easier & more effective. If you are in a cold climate, I don't think these are as big a problem. If you are in a tropical climate, your problem is magnified, because they are all over the place outside, and continually re-enter your grow space.
 

RetroGrow

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I'm gunna have to get a USB scope so you experts can tell me if in fact the round dots under my leafs are resin glands or eggs. If they are eggs then I have a TON of them!!!!

As looking on google and if in fact they are eggs they look like the cyclamen mite eggs!!!

Do the same treatments and pesticides work for cyclamen as they do for broads??

Yes, smooth eggs are Cyclamen mites, same as I had, and yes, there are tons of them. That's why I didn't understand the confusion about identifying them. 80% of eggs hatch into females, who in turn, lay more eggs, 80% female. You can see how they multiply in a geometric progression. Before you know it, there are countless thousands of eggs. That's why it's so important to kill eggs, something Avid does not do.
 

dalilguy

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Broad Mites?

Again if anyone actually reads the first few pages of this thread ...they'd know that using a wetting agent with Avid will prevent any issues with the lights on... In one room I run (6) 1000 watt hps lights over (2) 4x8 trays ...and I spray Avid right underneath them with ZERO ISSUES.....

Damn Bro Science is going to clog this thread to high hell...its already filled with endless pages of Crap b4 you get some good info ...

Are you talking air cooled lights? Guess its safe to say your environment will play a role in it also..

Fellas been using avid and penetrator for years. Some with dish soap. Around here all the times I've seen a crop crisp has been after they get blasted with 80+wpsqft under non cooled 1k's after an application of avid.

Anyways. No bro science, just experience. Some might take it some wont :tiphat: :joint:
 

moonunit

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Took another round of samples from the latest heat treated space and nothing alive at all.
Also checked the first after treatment sample i found the one wounded mite in and found zero alive.
Planning a few experiments as soon as i can spare enough time to do it right and document it.
Much respect
Moonunit
 

LEDNewbie

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Let me ask u guys this. I sprayed my clones with forbid yesterday. Made up 1 liter and added two drops of soap for a surfactant. When I was spraying plants I noticed that the spray on the leafs was beading up. Didn't seem like it was getting that nice "wet" coverage. Do you think that I didn't put enough soap in? Do you think this spraying of forbid actually did anything? Or should I respray?

I got 1 liter of water, phed it to 6.2. Then added .25ml of forbid. Then added two drops of dawn dish soap and then shook the shit out of it.

Let me know what you guys think.
 

RetroGrow

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Took another round of samples from the latest heat treated space and nothing alive at all.
Also checked the first after treatment sample i found the one wounded mite in and found zero alive.
Planning a few experiments as soon as i can spare enough time to do it right and document it.
Much respect
Moonunit

That's good to hear. Good input. You are in a challenging environment if there are citrus trees in your area. Probably mangoes too. All their favorite foods, and anytime the wind blows, they get airborne and are probably everywhere around you. I think HEPA filters are appropriate in your case. They will prevent mites from entering through the ventilation system and help to minimize your exposure to some extent.
 

RetroGrow

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Let me ask u guys this. I sprayed my clones with forbid yesterday. Made up 1 liter and added two drops of soap for a surfactant. When I was spraying plants I noticed that the spray on the leafs was beading up. Didn't seem like it was getting that nice "wet" coverage. Do you think that I didn't put enough soap in? Do you think this spraying of forbid actually did anything? Or should I respray?

I got 1 liter of water, phed it to 6.2. Then added .25ml of forbid. Then added two drops of dawn dish soap and then shook the shit out of it.

Let me know what you guys think.

You are the only one who can tell if it did anything by scoping them. You're going to have to scope the leaves,especially the undersides, every day.
 

LEDNewbie

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You are the only one who can tell if it did anything by scoping them. You're going to have to scope the leaves,especially the undersides, every day.

How the fuck do you guys scope the leafs? Do you cut one off each time you look? I tried scoping some leafs just now with the leafs still on the plant and no fucking way could I even get close to seeing anything as all it takes is my hands to move a "C" hair and eveything gets all out of focus!!!!
 

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Here is another question. Is there anything that can be sprayed or fogged into the room without the plants in there that will 100% garuntee kill bugs? Does a bleach/water mix actually kill bugs for a fact or is this just something that we think works? Physon 20? Will that kill bugs? Alcohol? Recommendations please!!

Basically if this round of flowering is a bust, wich it is looking that way. I want to give the next round the best chance it has possible. I want to get a fogger and fog something on all the walls equipment and etc to kill anything that might be on there. Then do a extreme heat treatment like 130+ for a few hours. Then try again. If this next round fails then I'll just give up and walk away forever.... Not sure what more I could do?
 

BigGreen

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Very good info
Now these treatment are gonna work on russets as well???
Im gonna try the heat tomorrow. I been down for almost 2 months battling with mothers and babies and I will not fire up the big room til I know these f%&ers are gone.
I been rotating forbid4 and avid and havent seen a crawler since I started but I still see ones that dont move. They been slowly going a way but I want to make sure so 120f it is and I will report back
 

Kcar

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How the fuck do you guys scope the leafs? Do you cut one off each time you look? I tried scoping some leafs just now with the leafs still on the plant and no fucking way could I even get close to seeing anything as all it takes is my hands to move a "C" hair and eveything gets all out of focus!!!!

Good question. I take my trimming scissors and cut off a small
piece of any leaf I think I see symtoms.
Bring them in, arrange them on a sheet of black paper and check them out.
 

the gnome

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well I thought the heat treatment did em in but saw more today :(

maybe my temps were off or something, not long enough...?
back to the drawing board for gnome

LEDNEWBIE

i can spot em pretty good on the plant with a loupe now,
but regardless i always take a few sample leaves for the 60-100x zoom scope
 

Grow Tech

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How the fuck do you guys scope the leafs? Do you cut one off each time you look? I tried scoping some leafs just now with the leafs still on the plant and no fucking way could I even get close to seeing anything as all it takes is my hands to move a "C" hair and eveything gets all out of focus!!!!
I scope attached leave using a 30x scope. For me it is plently of magnification to do the job. I find the 30x has a wider field of vision and more forgiving focus wise. Best not to drink a pot of coffee b4 scoping
 

LEDNewbie

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I scope attached leave using a 30x scope. For me it is plently of magnification to do the job. I find the 30x has a wider field of vision and more forgiving focus wise. Best not to drink a pot of coffee b4 scoping

Ok that makes sense. Cause at 100x its tough enough to scope a whole leaf that's been cut of without adjusting focus a million times
 

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I use a Celestron 4040 dissecting streoscope (4x objective - aka 40x) with a 27 watt flouro light I attached for top lighting. Hands down better than any hand loupe or std microscope. I can watch all types of microscopic critters in awesome color. 100x is not necessay with one of these scopes.
 

RetroGrow

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I use a Celestron 4040 dissecting streoscope (4x objective - aka 40x) with a 27 watt flouro light I attached for top lighting. Hands down better than any hand loupe or std microscope. I can watch all types of microscopic critters in awesome color. 100x is not necessay with one of these scopes.

Sounds good. I'll have to look into one of those.
That one's no longer available.
This one looks pretty cool. Has an LCD screen:
http://www.opticsplanet.com/celestron-pentaview-lcd-digital-microscope.html
Lots of microscopes on Amazon for those who want to spend more than a cheapo one from Radio shack.
You can get nice ones that have USB cameras for about $130.
 
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LEDNewbie

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Because I'm not 100% sure if my Forbid spraying did much since it looked like it was beading up and running off the leafs!

I decided today to dunk all my girls in a mixture of Azamax and Neem Oil. I added some Coco Wet this time and I could see that all the leafs were nicely coated with this mixture....

I thought while I'm waiting for my USB Microscope to show up either Thursday or Friday so I can take some pics and get a positive ID on my pest problem from you pros. I'd better get something on them just so whatever bug it is, isn't running around 100% freestyle. :laughing:

Not even sure Azamax and Neem oil can be mixed together? Seemed like a good idea at the time:biggrin:

Hopefully this ducking will slow down these little fuckers for the next 3-4 days until I can get you guys some pics. Thats my update for now. Thanks everyone for all the help!
 

MedUser420

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I have been battling these fuckers since Progressive Options, gave them to me. They are developing a resistance to Avid and Forbid. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. I have followed the Avid, Forbid, Azatrol routine and they still come back!!! I have old school friends who have been growing for decades, lose their entire strain collection.

The only thing that will kill these fuckers is the heat PLUS co2 poisoning. I set up a 1000w MH in a 5x3 ft closet. I also put a small propane burner. I "cooked" the plants for about 3-4 hours. NOW I am broadmite and Russet mite free!!!! Thanks Retro for the heat idea. It seems like the CO2 posioning really helps kill these horrible pests.
 
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