Broad Mites?

[LEDNewbie]

I have been battling these fuckers since Progressive Options, gave them to me. They are developing a resistance to Avid and Forbid. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. I have followed the Avid, Forbid, Azatrol routine and they still come back!!! I have old school friends who have been growing for decades, lose their entire strain collection.

The only thing that will kill these fuckers is the heat PLUS co2 poisoning. I set up a 1000w MH in a 5x3 ft closet. I also put a small propane burner. I "cooked" the plants for about 3-4 hours. NOW I am broadmite and Russet mite free!!!! Thanks Retro for the heat idea. It seems like the CO2 posioning really helps kill these horrible pests.

so did you use the fumes from the propane heater as your Co2 to kill the broad mites? did the plants show any negative signs from the propane fumes? what temps did you go up to? Was that 3-4 hours from start to finish or peek temp time?

I was thinking of heat treating my room with propane heaters as a double whammy with the heat and fumes to hopefully kill all these FUCKERS!!!

Let me know what you did as I'm grasping at thin air over here!!!

 

[the gnome]

I have been battling these fuckers since Progressive Options, gave them to me. They are developing a resistance to Avid and Forbid. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. I have followed the Avid, Forbid, Azatrol routine and they still come back!!! I have old school friends who have been growing for decades, lose their entire strain collection.

that is disturbing news if its true, I'm not seeing this tho.
they can keep coming back, like on me for 2 yrs now because they get into you enviroment and are extremely hard to eradicate.
they can also live on dead leaf debris in the carpet, cracks in base board etc etc.
i shut down a site from jan to june, and in aug i started/veg'd and just before thew flip they came back on me.7 months and they were still in that room, and still are.
i am going to get very aggresive, Ive found pylon bombs and i plan to start bombing weekly and fine misting walls floors with avid and forbid in rotation along with volck oil.

killing them on the plants is the easy part now imo.

i don't recieve cuts from anyone nor get them from a disp.
avid and forbid and spectracides triazicide still works well for me.
although only forbid has an ovacide.
i use volck oil very low toxin, an ovacide and kills the garden variety mites, white fly's scale, pm etc.

 

[MedUser420]

so did you use the fumes from the propane heater as your Co2 to kill the broad mites? did the plants show any negative signs from the propane fumes? what temps did you go up to? Was that 3-4 hours from start to finish or peek temp time?

I was thinking of heat treating my room with propane heaters as a double whammy with the heat and fumes to hopefully kill all these FUCKERS!!!

Let me know what you did as I'm grasping at thin air over here!!!

Yes the CO2 is created by the propane burning. 3-4 hours peak temps(125). No negative signs except on the plants that had broadmites/russet mites, but they bounce back after a few days tho. Make sure you water all the plants before "cooking" them and monitor them while "cooking", some plants will wilt. If they do, water them. I know this is extreme, but this is the only thing that killed my broadmites for good. Also make sure you seal the room/closet and ventilate after you're done. And clean the room with H2o2 spray.

PLEASE be careful CO2 poisoning can kill you too.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Yes the CO2 is created by the propane burning. 3-4 hours peak temps(125). No negative signs except on the plants that had broadmites/russet mites, but they bounce back after a few days tho. Make sure you water all the plants before "cooking" them and monitor them while "cooking", some plants will wilt. If they do, water them. I know this is extreme, but this is the only thing that killed my broadmites for good. Also make sure you seal the room/closet and ventilate after you're done. And clean the room with H2o2 spray.

PLEASE be careful CO2 poisoning can kill you too.

Do you think cleaning the room with h2o2 is better than using bleach? What percentage h2o2 do u use and what ratio with water? Sorry for all the questions. I just really wanna get rid of these fuckers!!!!

Thanks

Also when did you do you this? How long have you been bm free? Did you irradicate them in one treatment?

 

[LEDNewbie]

that is disturbing news if its true, I'm not seeing this tho.
they can keep coming back, like on me for 2 yrs now because they get into you enviroment and are extremely hard to eradicate.
they can also live on dead leaf debris in the carpet, cracks in base board etc etc.
i shut down a site from jan to june, and in aug i started/veg'd and just before thew flip they came back on me.7 months and they were still in that room, and still are.
i am going to get very aggresive, Ive found pylon bombs and i plan to start bombing weekly and fine misting walls floors with avid and forbid in rotation along with volck oil.

killing them on the plants is the easy part now imo.

i don't recieve cuts from anyone nor get them from a disp.
avid and forbid and spectracides triazicide still works well for me.
although only forbid has an ovacide.
i use volck oil very low toxin, an ovacide and kills the garden variety mites, white fly's scale, pm etc.

Where can I buy these pylon bomb???? Please hook me up! I want to get very aggressive with my pest management strategies!! Thanks

 

[RetroGrow]

I have been battling these fuckers since Progressive Options, gave them to me. They are developing a resistance to Avid and Forbid. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. I have followed the Avid, Forbid, Azatrol routine and they still come back!!! I have old school friends who have been growing for decades, lose their entire strain collection.

The only thing that will kill these fuckers is the heat PLUS co2 poisoning. I set up a 1000w MH in a 5x3 ft closet. I also put a small propane burner. I "cooked" the plants for about 3-4 hours. NOW I am broadmite and Russet mite free!!!! Thanks Retro for the heat idea. It seems like the CO2 posioning really helps kill these horrible pests.

Good to hear you are getting a handle on the problem, BUT, be very careful using propane indoors. Someone else mentioned it, and I said "don't do it". The reason is, burning propane gives off CO, that's carbon monoxide, not carbon dioxide, or CO2. Carbon monoxide is colorless & odorless, and can kill you. Also you have to be careful of propane leaks, as with any gas source. There are no signs of carbon monoxide poisoning, like feeling dizzy or anything. You will just wake up dead. Actually you won't wake up. So that's why I don't want to recommend it here. In the wrong hands (stoner) it can be deadly. If you must use it, make sure you or your dog or anyone is not in the area as it can be lethal. Plants are not worth dying for. Cannabis has not killed anyone yet. Don't be the first.
Also, once you have these hellish creatures in your garden, they travel elsewhere in your house/yard through ventilation systems, air conditioning, etc. And they can get on your clothes, shoes, etc, and be re-introduced into the room. They will come back. So it's important to remain vigilant and keep treating periodically, keep scoping your leaves daily if possible to check for new entrants. I've mentioned before, I have torn my room down, sterilized everything, left it empty for 6 months, came back, sterilized again, and started new seedlings. Right on cue, @ the two week mark, symptoms arose. They somehow remained alive for 6 months, with no food source. They seem to be able to go into a dormant stage, and then come back to haunt you.

 

[RetroGrow]

Yes the CO2 is created by the propane burning. 3-4 hours peak temps(125). No negative signs except on the plants that had broadmites/russet mites, but they bounce back after a few days tho. Make sure you water all the plants before "cooking" them and monitor them while "cooking", some plants will wilt. If they do, water them. I know this is extreme, but this is the only thing that killed my broadmites for good. Also make sure you seal the room/closet and ventilate after you're done. And clean the room with H2o2 spray.

PLEASE be careful CO2 poisoning can kill you too.

Again, 120 F is sufficient to kill mites. Don't cook your plants!
And, as I just posted, propane burning does not give off CO2. It's CO, carbon monoxide, and it is quite DEADLY.
I don't recommend it, and if you feel you must use it, get a carbon monoxide monitor/alarm, as it's colorless and odorless. Silent killer.

 

[LEDNewbie]

I'm pretty sure propane realises co2 as well......

 

[Honey Boo Boo]

Broad Mites or HMV?

Broad Mites or HMV?

So I have made it through one run with this same problem, last time it started in week 2 of flowering and I thought it was overfertilization even though I was running a very mild nutrient mix.
The reason I am wondering if its Hemp Mosaic Virus is because it came on strong in week 2 of flowering, and after flushing and some other changes, buds did eventually form and it produced some decent product. Now after seeing it come on in a new round with almost no nutrients period, I started doing research and first found the TMV or HMV as a possible source but reading further, found the broad mite to be a more likely problem. Can plants grow through the broad mites and make it out of this funk if left untreated because thats what happened last round? My yields were down, only got 1.25 a light where I'm used to getting 1.75 with the White. Got the cuts from DHN. I will be looking with a microscope tomorrow but wanted to hear opinions here first.

 

[the gnome]

scoped your plants
thats the only way you'll know for sure.

 

[MedUser420]

I'm pretty sure propane realises co2 as well......

Burning propane does also release co2. There's several propane co2 generators on the market.

 

[RetroGrow]

So I have made it through one run with this same problem, last time it started in week 2 of flowering and I thought it was overfertilization even though I was running a very mild nutrient mix.
The reason I am wondering if its Hemp Mosaic Virus is because it came on strong in week 2 of flowering, and after flushing and some other changes, buds did eventually form and it produced some decent product. Now after seeing it come on in a new round with almost no nutrients period, I started doing research and first found the TMV or HMV as a possible source but reading further, found the broad mite to be a more likely problem. Can plants grow through the broad mites and make it out of this funk if left untreated because thats what happened last round? My yields were down, only got 1.25 a light where I'm used to getting 1.75 with the White. Got the cuts from DHN. I will be looking with a microscope tomorrow but wanted to hear opinions here first.
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Treat with aspirin @ 325 Mg. per gallon of nutrient solution. Plants can make it, but they won't be nearly what they should be, and some will be crap. No smell or taste, reduced yield & potency. If you're in flower, treat with heat as already described.
People are going to have to stop buying cuts. Back to growing from seed and making your own selection.
These dispensaries are spreading broad mites everywhere.

 

[RetroGrow]

I'm pretty sure propane realises co2 as well......

There's a difference between propane heaters & CO2 generators. Do some Googling....
Propane heaters/stoves give off CO, carbon monoxide, which is poisonous to humans. I'm guessing mites don't like it either. But you should not use these to heat your space, as electric heat is safe.
CO2 generators are different, and generate CO2 to stimulate plant growth. The claims are wildly exaggerated as lots of fresh air is all you need.
I've never used one, and wouldn't. You would have to displace all the oxygen in the room. I don't even know if it's possible.

 

[medicalmj]

There's a difference between propane heaters & CO2 generators. Do some Googling....
Propane heaters/stoves give off CO, carbon monoxide, which is poisonous to humans. I'm guessing mites don't like it either. But you should not use these to heat your space, as electric heat is safe.
CO2 generators are different, and generate CO2 to stimulate plant growth. The claims are wildly exaggerated as lots of fresh air is all you need.
I've never used one, and wouldn't. You would have to displace all the oxygen in the room. I don't even know if it's possible.

While the balanced equation for the combustion of propane (C3H8) is:
C3H8 + 5O2 = 3CO2 + 4H2O

It needs to be done with proper air/gas ratio and with good working equipment or CO will be produced.

All plant mass is from inorganic carbon, not nutes or anything else. So adding CO2 is the best money one could spend to increase yield. Fresh air is just under 400 ppm and increasing to 1600 ppm or so while keeping temps in the 80's will turn that carbon into more plant mass.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Since my grow is in my garage I don't need worry about toxic co coming into my living area. I'm sure if I run the propane heaters for 3-4 hours that should displace all the oxygen!?!

Plus if I bring the room up to 130 that should make sure all walls and equipment is hot enough to kill them fuckers!!!!!

 

[MedUser420]

There's a difference between propane heaters & CO2 generators. Do some Googling....
Propane heaters/stoves give off CO, carbon monoxide, which is poisonous to humans. I'm guessing mites don't like it either. But you should not use these to heat your space, as electric heat is safe.
CO2 generators are different, and generate CO2 to stimulate plant growth. The claims are wildly exaggerated as lots of fresh air is all you need.
I've never used one, and wouldn't. You would have to displace all the oxygen in the room. I don't even know if it's possible.

I'm using them for the co2 not heat as I already have a 1000 w mh in my closet for heat. CO2 generators burn propane as well as heaters. My gen 1 hooks up to my BBQ propane tank. I use a co2 monitor and burn propane til I get up to 5000-9000 ppm in my closet. If it produces co my co2 wouldn't read the increasing co2 ppms. Google co2 pest control

 

[MedUser420]

BTW people I'm doing this in my closet and venting afterward. Not recommended in anything larger!!

 

[RetroGrow]

I'm using them for the co2 not heat as I already have a 1000 w mh in my closet for heat. CO2 generators burn propane as well as heaters. My gen 1 hooks up to my BBQ propane tank. I use a co2 monitor and burn propane til I get up to 5000-9000 ppm in my closet. If it produces co my co2 wouldn't read the increasing co2 ppms. Google co2 pest control

Understood. I just didn't want people to get the wrong idea and kill themselves. One person already asked about using them for heat, and someone else might see that without reading whole thread/understanding completely and do the wrong thing.

 

[RetroGrow]

So adding CO2 is the best money one could spend to increase yield. Fresh air is just under 400 ppm and increasing to 1600 ppm or so while keeping temps in the 80's will turn that carbon into more plant mass.

I can't agree with that. I've heard the claims, but haven't seen the results. I believe the yield increase by using CO2 is no more than 10%, if you're lucky. Not worth it for me. The expense and hassle just not worth it. I increase yield by using Hempy buckets in coco, and feeding daily. The daily feeding/oxygenation of the roots will really increase your yield dramatically. Not against CO2 for those that use it, just not worth it for me. I like to keep it simple.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Will broad mites or mites in general lay eggs only on plant material or will they lay eggs on walls and equipment as well?