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DHF

You know....the whole time I grew alone , I was always lookin for total automation...anything that could make my life easier to allow me to enjoy my real life in the real world , or at least free up enough time to pursue more portfolio endeavors.....

Krusty buckets wore my ass out for almost a decade , but the yields and rewards far outweighed the constant maintenance and fear of total crop failure on a day to day basis from a seriously fast hydro setup .....then.....

Heath talked me into runnin ebb and flow buckets in perpetual flip rooms to increase harveys per yr with less headache and maintenance and the shit practically ran itself for almost 5 yrs......win win for less time in the rooms and more time to spend with family.....and then...

Blue Haze talked me into runnin coco with my mom plants for faster and more cuts than I could `ve ever imagined about the same time Heath was workin on his lil vert setups with mega cuts , and the lightbulb went off.....then the remodelin began......

Vertical racks with coco #5 smartpots fed once a day dtw with a bigass pond pump and proper head pressure to supply equal flow and pressure to all plantsites via control valves on each level as the pressure decreased.....talk about maintenance free for almost 3 yrs......and finally...

Started readin bout blumats at a Euro site Heath hooked me up with back in the day and I was totally awestruck by TOTAL no strings attached , no bells and whistles system......nothing .....

Just gravity fed cones/emitters/sensors in a loopfield that did ALL the work for the grower and all that was needed was a rez elevated above the level of the sensors to provide constant down pressure to prevent em from gettin outta sync.....

after a month of doin research I bought couple hundred of the new maxi`s that had just come out and all the deck/balcony and patio kits sustainable village had in stock at the time for the smaller cones and it was on .....

2 weeks later my close bro got popped and I killed 8 rooms and shutdown 4 locations with all shit put in storage that`s been like that goin on 4 yrs now....moral to this story Greenmatter is...

I`ve preached blumats for several yrs now and have many many gro-bro`s killin it with em , but the one thing that concerns me bout the racks gettin constant pressure on the cones when they`re all at different levels is the different pressure placed on cones that`ll most definitely need watched and dialed as they acclimate to where they sit in the pods.....

Possibly multiple smaller elevated rez`s designated to each level daisy chained and tied together with the main rez on the floor pumpin juice up to each individual rez on a timed feed basis with the overflow poopy talked about so each rez can maintain full pool and keep continuous constant pressure on the cones ftw.....

Anyways..guaranteed..blumats are the last setup I would`ve ever run cuz they`re the culmination of my grow career lookin for the ultimate maintenance free K.I.S.S. setup that pumps out da dank as if they were growin in my old krusty buckets but without all the headaches and time involved to keep em alive...

Why would anyone wanna go though what I did for 30 yrs outside and inside beatin my head against the wall for the bigger better deal , when all yas need is buncha blumats ta set and ferget....

Ain`t rocket science....Sunday Bubba and coffee wake and bake over....got da munchies .....mmmmm breakfast....

Peace....Freds....:ying:...
 

bobblehead

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Blumats are pure perfection when it comes to watering as you can dial them in yourself for each pot and they all can be fed perfectly every day not matter the size or the root mass. Only down size is a hanging rez, because you want a rez to be big enough to last a couple days if not longer... hard to hang somehting so heavy and bulky.....


unless you make it a two part system and have a small rez hanging with a over flow like a tub or sink would have and constantly pump water from a bigger rez underneath it up to it and let it water fall back down to it in constant motion... this would fix damn near all the problems for blumats.....


enjoy... -=]

I'll probably use a tough-tote or w/e they're called, the black and yellow box from the HD... 27g, put it on a shelf above my 330g reservoir, w/ a pump constantly recirculating nute solution.

Thanks for dropping in poopy.:wave:

You know....the whole time I grew alone , I was always lookin for total automation...anything that could make my life easier to allow me to enjoy my real life in the real world , or at least free up enough time to pursue more portfolio endeavors.....

Krusty buckets wore my ass out for almost a decade , but the yields and rewards far outweighed the constant maintenance and fear of total crop failure on a day to day basis from a seriously fast hydro setup .....then.....

Heath talked me into runnin ebb and flow buckets in perpetual flip rooms to increase harveys per yr with less headache and maintenance and the shit practically ran itself for almost 5 yrs......win win for less time in the rooms and more time to spend with family.....and then...

Blue Haze talked me into runnin coco with my mom plants for faster and more cuts than I could `ve ever imagined about the same time Heath was workin on his lil vert setups with mega cuts , and the lightbulb went off.....then the remodelin began......

Vertical racks with coco #5 smartpots fed once a day dtw with a bigass pond pump and proper head pressure to supply equal flow and pressure to all plantsites via control valves on each level as the pressure decreased.....talk about maintenance free for almost 3 yrs......and finally...

Started readin bout blumats at a Euro site Heath hooked me up with back in the day and I was totally awestruck by TOTAL no strings attached , no bells and whistles system......nothing .....

Just gravity fed cones/emitters/sensors in a loopfield that did ALL the work for the grower and all that was needed was a rez elevated above the level of the sensors to provide constant down pressure to prevent em from gettin outta sync.....

after a month of doin research I bought couple hundred of the new maxi`s that had just come out and all the deck/balcony and patio kits sustainable village had in stock at the time for the smaller cones and it was on .....

2 weeks later my close bro got popped and I killed 8 rooms and shutdown 4 locations with all shit put in storage that`s been like that goin on 4 yrs now....moral to this story Greenmatter is...

I`ve preached blumats for several yrs now and have many many gro-bro`s killin it with em , but the one thing that concerns me bout the racks gettin constant pressure on the cones when they`re all at different levels is the different pressure placed on cones that`ll most definitely need watched and dialed as they acclimate to where they sit in the pods.....

Possibly multiple smaller elevated rez`s designated to each level daisy chained and tied together with the main rez on the floor pumpin juice up to each individual rez on a timed feed basis with the overflow poopy talked about so each rez can maintain full pool and keep continuous constant pressure on the cones ftw.....

Anyways..guaranteed..blumats are the last setup I would`ve ever run cuz they`re the culmination of my grow career lookin for the ultimate maintenance free K.I.S.S. setup that pumps out da dank as if they were growin in my old krusty buckets but without all the headaches and time involved to keep em alive...

Why would anyone wanna go though what I did for 30 yrs outside and inside beatin my head against the wall for the bigger better deal , when all yas need is buncha blumats ta set and ferget....

Ain`t rocket science....Sunday Bubba and coffee wake and bake over....got da munchies .....mmmmm breakfast....

Peace....Freds....:ying:...

From what I've seen on the blumat website, you don't have to control pressure on individual levels... Still, I was thinking that using the same CPVC manifold could solve any pressure problems, and then you just plug the t's into the manifold... Anyway, I'll be finding out in the next couple months... 7 weeks till I pull the Straw DD room, and that'll be the first room to be upgraded.

I'm smoking on some Chem4D this morning... yummm... :joint:
 

silver hawaiian

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I'll probably use a tough-tote or w/e they're called, the black and yellow box from the HD... 27g, put it on a shelf above my 330g reservoir, w/ a pump constantly recirculating nute solution.

Thanks for dropping in poopy.:wave:



From what I've seen on the blumat website, you don't have to control pressure on individual levels... Still, I was thinking that using the same CPVC manifold could solve any pressure problems, and then you just plug the t's into the manifold... Anyway, I'll be finding out in the next couple months... 7 weeks till I pull the Straw DD room, and that'll be the first room to be upgraded.

I'm smoking on some Chem4D this morning... yummm... :joint:

I meant to post this last night, but I was slightly in the bag, and therefore too lazy to dig up the corresponding link.. Let's try this AM:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=213844&page=8

heady blunts rigged a system similar to what pooptyteabags is talking about. Essentially, it's two reservoirs, one atop the other. The top one is where the blumats are connected to. The bottom res is full of water, .. The bottom res pumps water up to the top res, which has a drain in it, so's the water level in the top res (to which the blumats are connected) is constant..

I think this is what poopyteabags was describing.. :good: for that!

I've got to set up mine and work out any bugs, so's I can hit the ground runnin' with 'em after le wedding and le honeymoon. :blowbubbles:
 

megayields

Grower of Connoisseur herb's.
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I`ve preached blumats for several yrs now and have many many gro-bro`s killin it with em , but the one thing that concerns me bout the racks gettin constant pressure on the cones when they`re all at different levels is the different pressure placed on cones that`ll most definitely need watched and dialed as they acclimate to where they sit in the pods.....


This "pressure compensation" issue is one that taxes my intellect.....I still have to better understand this before I move to Blumats....for some like Bobble...it seems to come very easy to him.....I'm more of a visual learner. If I could see a built system it would help me immensely.
 
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greenmatter

looks like i got some more reading to do..... blumats ftw ...... thanks guys!
 

PoopyTeaBags

State Liscensed Care Giver/Patient, Assistant Trai
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I'll probably use a tough-tote or w/e they're called, the black and yellow box from the HD... 27g, put it on a shelf above my 330g reservoir, w/ a pump constantly recirculating nute solution.

Thanks for dropping in poopy.:wave:



From what I've seen on the blumat website, you don't have to control pressure on individual levels... Still, I was thinking that using the same CPVC manifold could solve any pressure problems, and then you just plug the t's into the manifold... Anyway, I'll be finding out in the next couple months... 7 weeks till I pull the Straw DD room, and that'll be the first room to be upgraded.

I'm smoking on some Chem4D this morning... yummm... :joint:

no no no bobble they infact DO have control valves for EACH indivisual blumats... they sit on top of each blumat and they pinch the line to release more or less water... total customization for each plant, no worries about more or less pressure.
 
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DHF

I`ve preached blumats for several yrs now and have many many gro-bro`s killin it with em , but the one thing that concerns me bout the racks gettin constant pressure on the cones when they`re all at different levels is the different pressure placed on cones that`ll most definitely need watched and dialed as they acclimate to where they sit in the pods.....


This "pressure compensation" issue is one that taxes my intellect.....I still have to better understand this before I move to Blumats....for some like Bobble...it seems to come very easy to him.....I'm more of a visual learner. If I could see a built system it would help me immensely.
What it means is that as long as yas got full rez`s above the tops of the cones at all times to keep constant pressure on em then they take care of the feed keeping the medium/substrate constantly "moist" ftw .....

Less is more and feel better Bro....DHF...:ying:......
 

silver hawaiian

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I think heady blunts' point was to make consistent the water pressure (level) in the rez from which the blumats draw..

By keeping a main rez, and actually feeding from a second rez which stays at a consistent, steady "fill" level, the water pressure feeding into the blumats is the same, always.

In that sense, a "full rez" with a steady water level 6" above the blumat output, vs. a
full rez" with a water level 12" above the blumat output, (though will slowly get nearer to the output, as water is used) .. Well, those two scenarios are not equal. Therefore, if we keep a steady level in the rez into which the blumats are plugged, then we can maintain a constant water pressure into that line..
 
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megayields

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no no no bobble they infact DO have control valves for EACH indivisual blumats... they sit on top of each blumat and they pinch the line to release more or less water... total customization for each plant, no worries about more or less pressure.


omg POOPY that just solved huge issue for me at least! I did not know that???
 

Hundred Gram Oz

Our Work is Never Over
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Bluemats vs Drippers. I know it's been discussed lots before but what do you think guys? IMO I much prefer drippers because I am a control freak but if I have to leave the grow for a few days then the bluemats are the winners.

HGO
 

PoopyTeaBags

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Bluemats vs Drippers. I know it's been discussed lots before but what do you think guys? IMO I much prefer drippers because I am a control freak but if I have to leave the grow for a few days then the bluemats are the winners.

HGO



blumats give you way more control then any dripper i have ever used...
 

Hundred Gram Oz

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I grow in coco, I like the fact that I can flick a switch put 0.5Ltr into my pots in a minute, then come back later and do the same, I suppose it's more habit on my behalf. I'm not knocking blumats, they are great but I prefer drippers for my everyday use, I feel like I have more control.
 

Arminius

"I'm not a pezzamist, I am an optometrist"
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I grow in coco, I like the fact that I can flick a switch put 0.5Ltr into my pots in a minute, then come back later and do the same, I suppose it's more habit on my behalf. I'm not knocking blumats, they are great but I prefer drippers for my everyday use, I feel like I have more control.
I have the utmost respect for you as a grower, but I have a slightly different take on this. Purely from a logic standpoint, more control isn't necessarily a good thing. More control, means more potential for human error. I have never used drippers or blumats, and am a devotee of DWC, and love the control I have as far as feeding, but try to take a hands off approach and let the plants feed as they need. If blumats are what they appear to be, then the plant will have control, and that to me is a good thing.
Sometimes, people do what they feel comfortable doing, and resist change, it's natural instinct. What makes you feel comfortable is what is important, but sometimes a leap of faith and letting go sometimes, can have a huge impact on your future endeavors...
 
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Hundred Gram Oz

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^^^^^^^ Everyone to their own If I was growin in soil I'd choose blumats over drippers, I've got my setup dialled so I know what my plants want, and when they want it ;) I like drippers because I water to I get anywhere from 5-15% run off, 3 times per day in veg and 5 times per day in flower, this flushes the coco, washing excess salts out and keeps my ph stable. = more control.

We all have our own opinions and it's good to share them so we can debate and learn more, thanks for the post Arminius.

HGO
 
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DHF

HeeHee.....HGO Bro.....I`m takin up a damn collection fer hookin our Mod up with some H&G Dripclean so he`ll be ableta cease and desist on runoff ta save juice in the long run , and keep all feed equipment spotless on the insides .....but....

No shit....DTW drip setups are cheap and blumats are pricey.....and....

Blumat`s in coco haveta be dialed immediately when they`re set in the medium cuz coco dries out so fast .....meaning....

The lil twist cap on top has total control of juice pressure from the rez and how much will be constantly released to the plants in the attempt to dial perfect moistness with max rootzone oxygenation...

Plant saucers are required to monitor overflow and see if the cone`s need tightened or loosened to dial how much juice each sensor is emitting to achieve the desired level of moisture....

Once dialed in they`re self sufficient as long as constant pressure from the elevated rez stays at full pool.......

The reason I say that is as several gro bro`s observed early on the more juice they used without toppin off , the less the pressure on the cones and shit got wonky with some cones drownin the containers and some cones dryin out and stoppin the flow.....the bad thing is that ....

The places where all my old heads are rockin blumats are invite only med sites and there`s no wayta show ya`ll how well these things work as well as how ta add what it takes ta make em grow themselves with elevated rez`s and timed topoff`s , but it ain`t rocket science.........so.....

I`ve run many DTW driptube setups that dial easily as HGO stated , but blumats once the cones are dialed to each container , there just ain`t nothin better....simple...babyshit....kinda sorta like Arm said.....the plant decides what it needs and when it needs it as the day/night cycle progresses till chop....

Peace...Freds.....:ying:....
 
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bobblehead

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^^^^^^^ Everyone to their own

My way is better than yours... :nanana:

I've seen your root balls, so I know what you're doing works... but you manually control the pump that feeds your plants? That makes you a slave to the plants. I'm already a slave to the government...

I would rather everything the plant needs be there waiting for it when it wants it... and not there when it's not needed... and for me to not be there at all. My $0.02...
 

bobblehead

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So I didn't get nearly enough work done, but I knew I wouldn't... I'm having surgery (nothing life threatening, except the anesthesia) tomorrow and I haven't been able to have any energy drinks, vitamins, or protein powder for 2 weeks... I'm barely alive right now. I bought a pack of 6" clamps for some extra sets of hands while I work. I will be doing my work with 1 arm for the next few weeks...

This current Straw DD crop definitely isn't gonna break any records... First grow in a new room in a new house... I found signs of russet mites. I'm pissed cause I've been meaning to spray for the past 3 weeks, but I either forgot the forbid 4f, or forgot the sprayer. They only got treated once. Luckily I got my act together and the whole crop isn't devastated... a few stunted plants though.

I've been going through my 1/3 life crisis... luckily it wasn't as bad as my 1/4 life crisis... lol.... I think I've got my head back on straight again. :)

Anyway... Week 3
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This is the kinda root growth expected with my watering methods when dialed...
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And then there's over-watered...
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It's hard to see cause I had the hps on... but you can see brown/black tips on white pistils. That's cause the russet mites eat the pistils. It's sick. If you let them go, you end up with buds that have no pistils and no trichs, cause they eat those too...
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Normal plant.
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5th

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I haven't had to use the F4 since the cluster fuck I had a few months ago...since I got so much of it laying around...this might be a good time for me to be thinkin' bout preventative maintenance....
 

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