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bobblehead

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Much Improved Bobble! Nice to hear bout the location, hopefully your neighbor moves away haha.

I like the structure on the Straw DD as well. Do you usually get your genetics in seed or clone form?

what's up swim? I'm not too concerned about the neighbor... He seems like a good ol' boy. Redneck construction type.. He likes to take his dogs out to chase coyotes for funzies.... Lol

I used to get everything from seed... And then I made a bunch of connections and all of the sudden all of the elites were available to me. Given all the hype I was pretty excited... And as I've grown them out, I find that most elites are nothing that can't be found from seed. It just takes an organized grower who keeps clones and knows what to look for... Once upon a time I was an excellent cloner. I'm trying my hardest to get back to that point. Most of my pest issues have been due to [EDITED TOU #8a]. Seeds are where the money is, and they don't even have to be true breeding.

I've been keeping my ear to the ground trying to bust the canna business wide open... And as much as people hate on ghs, Arjan is one of the smartest guys in the business. He recognized a long time ago that the seed industry was the place to make millions. You can only sell buds to so many people in coffee shops/dispensaries. Seeds can cross borders and be distributed world-wide. Chem, rez, gypsy, dg, arjan, Franco,. I don't believe any of them are over 50. This is very much a young person's industry.. It's about the image you portray.
 
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Bonzo

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i was watching some show talking about the Canna biz and they were interviewing Arjan and touring his facility playing with pounds of his color coded seeds, he/they claimed Greenhouse sold on average 400,000 packs of seeds per year @ a 75 dollar per pack average equalls...are ya ready for this? 30 million a year. could be pure horseshit but makes ya think...
 
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greenmatter

spurr was without a doubt the most "book smart" grower i have ever run into. if you had tech questions about plants he was like an information booth (if he chose to talk to you).

IME professors dictate information and expect us to absorb it , and for the most part they DON'T like to be agued with about anything...... ever. spurr was like that too and in his own way he knew it, but once he locked horns with anyone it was usually a fight to the death which is a good way to piss folks off no matter what the subject is.

i wish i had just 10% of the mans book/tech knowledge ......... it sure as hell would not hurt.

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son of a b...., it worked. now i can loosen the chin strap on the bicycle helmet i have to wear when i am on the fuckin' computer ....... half a click and 199 to go
 

bobblehead

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i was watching some show talking about the Canna biz and they were interviewing Arjan and touring his facility playing with pounds of his color coded seeds, he/they claimed Greenhouse sold on average 400,000 packs of seeds per year @ a 75 dollar per pack average equalls...are ya ready for this? 30 million a year. could be pure horseshit but makes ya think...

Nat Geo Drugs Inc: Marijuana... Yeah, I've watched every documentary available.

That's not 30 million a year going to Arjan, that 30 million his seeds generate. 1/2 the sale money goes to seedbay, attitude, or whoever the seed vendor is. Still... with 15 million, I'm sure that the expeditions/vacations, and contracting growers to breed his seeds, packaging, marketing... is covered... even before the creative accounting to increase the bottom line even more.

What really blows my mind... Is how many breeders hate on feminized seeds. From a breeders perspective, feminized seeds are a gold mine b/c ideally there will be no males, and so the customer has no choice but to keep coming back. I mean yeah we all know that you can take clones... but some ppl like myself have troubles with clones from time to time, and the only way to guarantee your genetics is to breed them.

When I was younger and I heard all that rasta stuff... Cannabis is the healing of the nations... Cannabis has the power to overthrow governments... I never used to believe it. The more involved I get in this, the more I see it's true. Seeds are so dangerous the DEA went after Marc Emery... 70 years of prohibition, and cannabis is more popular than ever in the US.

Change hasn't come yet... but it's happening right in front of us.
 

Arminius

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Nat Geo Drugs Inc: Marijuana... Yeah, I've watched every documentary available.

That's not 30 million a year going to Arjan, that 30 million his seeds generate. 1/2 the sale money goes to seedbay, attitude, or whoever the seed vendor is. Still... with 15 million, I'm sure that the expeditions/vacations, and contracting growers to breed his seeds, packaging, marketing... is covered... even before the creative accounting to increase the bottom line even more.

What really blows my mind... Is how many breeders hate on feminized seeds. From a breeders perspective, feminized seeds are a gold mine b/c ideally there will be no males, and so the customer has no choice but to keep coming back. I mean yeah we all know that you can take clones... but some ppl like myself have troubles with clones from time to time, and the only way to guarantee your genetics is to breed them.

When I was younger and I heard all that rasta stuff... Cannabis is the healing of the nations... Cannabis has the power to overthrow governments... I never used to believe it. The more involved I get in this, the more I see it's true. Seeds are so dangerous the DEA went after Marc Emery... 70 years of prohibition, and cannabis is more popular than ever in the US.

Change hasn't come yet... but it's happening right in front of us.
I love your passion and angles on the power of the plant. I have undergone the same transformation over the last 18 months. I grew up in a town that is very Cannabis friendly, but seeing stinky, dreadlocked, nasty hippies protesting for legalization so they can wear hemp birkenstocks. FFS at least admit your purposes, otherwise we will never gain the support from mainstream society, and take a shower! Even with over a dozen dispensaries, and a grow shop on every corner, you will still pay a price professionally if you get your Dr recomendation. My step-mother has worked for UCSC for over 30 years, and would risk her job if she decided to self medicate.
I am sure we could knock a couple back and chat for days...
 
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Ichabod Crane

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I have never been high or drank a beer and voted against legalization in my state. Yet here I am growing and helping people. Peoples minds can be changed. Change is happening.
 

5th

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FREE MARC EMERY!!!!

I can't believe we just gave him away like that...mind blowing..
 
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Hey greenmatter......I in no way ever discounted Spurr`s "book knowledge" , it was his so-called "growing abilities" I questioned several yrs back and once here couple yrs ago......

Guy was like Krusty on a bad day but with all the references to pull from on all his threads and quorums he had at many invite only places with mostly old heads that take no shit from anyone , much less the nutty professor.....so....

Guy liked talkin down to folks and I disagreed with that shit from the get , but I`ll be the first to say that he`d done his research on said thread subjects and could back it up.....but.....

Not sure that Braniac could grow his way out of a wet paper sack......asked him MANY basic questions that a newb with minimum site knowledge oughta know and he didn`t have a clue , but would come back with some off the wall bullshit that no one could understand but him and say that was the what , where , and why.....

Won`t post anymore bout Spurr cuz I wasn`t tryin ta bash the dewd and acknowledged he gave me some solid info on why my shit worked so well when I already knew it , but didn`t know why...

Guy was/is a straight up asshat dick with ears , and I mean that in the nicest way possible.....

Peace....Freds.....:ying:.....
 

Hundred Gram Oz

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Hi bobble, DHF and all. Some very interesting conversations going on in here. Bonzo I seen that video of the GH facilities and it blew my mind, I've been trying to find it again but I can't seem to locate it.

Seeds are where the money is plus it's a far more rewarding job than growing a ton of weed that isn't going to hang around for long. The more time goes on the more and more new seed companies are going to pop up hell back in overgrow days you could list all the different companies off the top of your head, try doing that nowadays. Now is the time to get into the business and make a good name for yourself.

Bobble, I agree in regards to the feminized seeds. Some strains have hermie tendencies more than others but for genetic preservation and elite reproduction into a seed line, creating feminized seeds is the easiest and most reliable way to go IMO.

Keep it green
HGO
 
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greenmatter

Hey greenmatter......I in no way ever discounted Spurr`s "book knowledge" , it was his so-called "growing abilities" I questioned several yrs back and once here couple yrs ago......

Guy was like Krusty on a bad day but with all the references to pull from on all his threads and quorums he had at many invite only places with mostly old heads that take no shit from anyone , much less the nutty professor.....so....

Guy liked talkin down to folks and I disagreed with that shit from the get , but I`ll be the first to say that he`d done his research on said thread subjects and could back it up.....but.....

Not sure that Braniac could grow his way out of a wet paper sack......asked him MANY basic questions that a newb with minimum site knowledge oughta know and he didn`t have a clue , but would come back with some off the wall bullshit that no one could understand but him and say that was the what , where , and why.....

Won`t post anymore bout Spurr cuz I wasn`t tryin ta bash the dewd and acknowledged he gave me some solid info on why my shit worked so well when I already knew it , but didn`t know why...

Guy was/is a straight up asshat dick with ears , and I mean that in the nicest way possible.....

Peace....Freds.....:ying:.....


trust me boss, i was in no way shape or form trying to say spurr was the be all and end all of anything ......... like you said yourself he did his research on some things, and all i said was he was like an information booth. he was damn sure good at butting heads and pissing people off, but straight up ass hat dicks with ears do that.

i was damn sure not sayin' you are wrong, and i don't think the man is a better gardener than you ( i fuckin' hope not because your posts have had a MUCH bigger influence on the design of my room than he has) ........ all i was doing was thowin' in my 2 pennies on spurr. no disrespect intended
 

Bonzo

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on the subject of feminised beans i grew FMS grapefriut, NL and super skunk. the GF and the NL were awesome, the SS pretty good. will run them again, still have 2 packs of thier ICE maybe soon...:)
 

redbudduckfoot

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i just erased a huge post on myself, arggghhhhh!!!

anyway, the funny thing was, i started using the lime for some long term mother transplants, for ph issues i had in the past with a couple plants that went 3+months in veg.

i have used it in my outdoor for the last season or two, with marked improvement over non-lime years. i read it in the organics for beginners thread, i believe. all those recipes call for lime at 1 cup per cubic ft, for 7.0 ph as well as organic calcium and magnesium.

i just incorporated it into my usual chem fertilizer schedule, then, again in flower; at first just to keep the ph from diving, and my flowering plants went from looking average/above average to looking like selfhemployed type plants, i mean DIALED, minus the crazt trich's, all glistening looking like 3ft of powder in the Colorado backcounty. ive never been able to get my shit to "pop" like that.

so, yeah, its working great, along with my Blumats.

a tip for u bobble, for when ya switch to Blu's: only feed @3/4 strength, if u wanna do a continuous feed with them. no flushing necessary until week 7, and i just taper down from 3/4 to 1/4, days 45-55, then plain RO water the last 10-15 days. plant growth in flower rivals any ebb and flow hydro.

RBDF
 

megayields

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If I could rock the dreadlocks I would every day....but my DNA stopped that dead in its tracks....would be funny to see a old white guy, with grey dread's!
 
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DHF

If I could rock the dreadlocks I would every day....but my DNA stopped that dead in its tracks....would be funny to see a old white guy, with grey dread's!
Mega.....you aight ?...:moon:.....Now I`ve got the visual of an old fart in grey dreads burned in my brain and it ain`t pretty.....

Heal up Brozini....Freds.....:ying:.....
 
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greenmatter

grey dreads, bald spot and a swollen sack .......... gets uglier the more you think about it.
 
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greenmatter

question bobble ......

the way you have watered the pods since i started reading your stuff pretty much goes with h3ads philosophy/methods and full automation (in my head anyway), but you have always been heading towards blumats.

i don't know a thing about blumats. so the question(s) is about the reason and the effects of the switch.

is the simplicity of the blumats once you dial em in, and/or the no flood factor the reason for the change or do the plants just do better with blumats in general? can the same amount of D.O. be delivered to the plants using blumats? or does all the math completely change when you switch over and make D.O. "less" important?
 

bobblehead

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question bobble ......

the way you have watered the pods since i started reading your stuff pretty much goes with h3ads philosophy/methods and full automation (in my head anyway), but you have always been heading towards blumats.

i don't know a thing about blumats. so the question(s) is about the reason and the effects of the switch.

is the simplicity of the blumats once you dial em in, and/or the no flood factor the reason for the change or do the plants just do better with blumats in general? can the same amount of D.O. be delivered to the plants using blumats? or does all the math completely change when you switch over and make D.O. "less" important?

h3ad is a fine grower, that's for sure... so I welcome the comparison... but actually the constant feeds are based on my own thoughts. I say that I'm not a preacher, but when it comes to consistency, I'll preach it all day. The plants don't like to sit in water. The plants don't like to be too dry. There is a perfect sweet spot, that when you find it, you realize explosive hydroponic growth. You have to have your environment 100% dialed to achieve it though...

RDWC and other fast hydro methods are regarded as having the most explosive growth. What environmental root-zone conditions does a fast hydro system have? Lots of water, lots of DO, a little fertilizer which stays at a steady level, steady pH, with only minor fluctuations from day to night...

So... with all that and a bit more that's still in my head and not yours... I try to water my plants as often as possible in the smallest increments possible, and maintain a constant moisture level... No feeds at night, b/c they're not drinking anything at night. They get fed at lights on and every few hours after that for 1 minute.

Where blumats come in... is that they sense the moisture in each individual pot, and adds nute solution to the pots that need it, and keep the ones that aren't drinking as fast from being over-saturated, a problem I'm having right now. They also eliminate a timer which ime is one of the main devices that fail in a grow... So the fewer timers the better... You have to pump water up to an elevated reservoir... but if you're smart and build a shelf for a 10-20g reservoir... Well then it seems to me you've bought yourself some days in the event of pump failure.

O2 is pulled into the root-zone when water goes down into the medium... So, the smaller the drops, the more O2 that will be pulled into the root zone. Blumats have the smallest drops, so the roots will get that much more O2 as well as a steady supply of nutrients. When the plants have a steady supply of fresh nutrients, they can't have a deficiency... assuming they're getting a balanced mix.

Does that answer your question?
 
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PoopyTeaBags

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Blumats are pure perfection when it comes to watering as you can dial them in yourself for each pot and they all can be fed perfectly every day not matter the size or the root mass. Only down size is a hanging rez, because you want a rez to be big enough to last a couple days if not longer... hard to hang somehting so heavy and bulky.....


unless you make it a two part system and have a small rez hanging with a over flow like a tub or sink would have and constantly pump water from a bigger rez underneath it up to it and let it water fall back down to it in constant motion... this would fix damn near all the problems for blumats.....


enjoy... -=]
 
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