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Looking great homey. Ahh, this break went by so fast. 20 credits this semester, and graduation in May. Not sure how much longer you have, but this has been a long time coming, and cannot wait to be done. Finally get a real job, and hopefully get moving on with the rest of life.
Things are gonna get pretty crazy in here soon. Keep it green brother.
aod
Things are gonna get pretty crazy in here soon. Keep it green brother.
aod
Thanks guys. It just occurred to me to put the runts on the top shelves... where the worst light and the least water is. Next week the canopy is gonna look sweeeet....
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DHF
Didn`t you increase feed sequences......Looks like they`re gettin more juice more often than they need it....and yeah....
Put the runts up and away ta develop the canopy ftw.....but....
The reason I say overwatering/feeding and possible ph issues in the rootzone is the leaf twist and downward curl in the pic under the one that`s showin air-pruned roots at the bottom of the bags.....
Gotta figure out howta fill them bags with roots before end of stretch Bro....less feeds and more drying will help as the bags look way dark/wetter from what I`m usedta seein in my old rooms , but I`ve been wrong before and hope I am....
Just tryin ta help Bro...you know this....Once you get yer clone factory set up and hoonin you`ll have plenty to cull for uniform cuts to pick from and put in each room to develop their own perfect canopy by growing exactly the same as the ones beside , above , and below em.......and yeah....THE neighbor......
Somebody git a rope.....lol....
This room/pod`s a huge improvement and once strain`s dialed for max canopy , heads are gonna turn...bet on it....
Peace....Freds.....
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Put the runts up and away ta develop the canopy ftw.....but....
The reason I say overwatering/feeding and possible ph issues in the rootzone is the leaf twist and downward curl in the pic under the one that`s showin air-pruned roots at the bottom of the bags.....
Gotta figure out howta fill them bags with roots before end of stretch Bro....less feeds and more drying will help as the bags look way dark/wetter from what I`m usedta seein in my old rooms , but I`ve been wrong before and hope I am....
Just tryin ta help Bro...you know this....Once you get yer clone factory set up and hoonin you`ll have plenty to cull for uniform cuts to pick from and put in each room to develop their own perfect canopy by growing exactly the same as the ones beside , above , and below em.......and yeah....THE neighbor......
Somebody git a rope.....lol....
This room/pod`s a huge improvement and once strain`s dialed for max canopy , heads are gonna turn...bet on it....
Peace....Freds.....
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Didn`t you increase feed sequences......Looks like they`re gettin more juice more often than they need it....and yeah....
Put the runts up and away ta develop the canopy ftw.....but....
The reason I say overwatering/feeding and possible ph issues in the rootzone is the leaf twist and downward curl in the pic under the one that`s showin air-pruned roots at the bottom of the bags.....
Gotta figure out howta fill them bags with roots before end of stretch Bro....less feeds and more drying will help as the bags look way dark/wetter from what I`m usedta seein in my old rooms , but I`ve been wrong before and hope I am....
Just tryin ta help Bro...you know this....Once you get yer clone factory set up and hoonin you`ll have plenty to cull for uniform cuts to pick from and put in each room to develop their own perfect canopy by growing exactly the same as the ones beside , above , and below em.......and yeah....THE neighbor......
Somebody git a rope.....lol....
This room/pod`s a huge improvement and once strain`s dialed for max canopy , heads are gonna turn...bet on it....
Peace....Freds.....
Yeah... definitely overwatered. I would say that the pH looks good overall, but I think that Bonzo had a point about my clones not being green from the start.
I didn't expect to run so much RO through the bags when I was dialing in the feed system. I had to dial it in on 2 separate days, with a few days in between. I should have reintroduced nutrients... Instead I leached out all of the cal/mag from a medium that holds it and a plant that loves it. So, I attribute leaf issues to that... There are a few twisted leaves and some that are pigmented kinda funny. The newest growth looks normal though.
As far as the over-watering is concerned, this is what's going on... Those runt bags and a few of the bags on the bottom with only 1 clone can't soak up the water that the bags with 2 healthy clones do. After the tray fills up with water, it pours over and falls into the plant below it. What I did to fix it was adjust the height of the basket stakes to release less water. I would say 50% of the bags were getting over-watered due to a cascading waterfall... So I started at the first tray that was flooded, and worked my way down, raising the basket stakes.
When I go back next week and put the weakest plants on the top I expect I shouldn't have this problem anymore... It's all just part of dialing things in I figure. At least none of the plants are over-dried...
Now, as far as the clone factory goes... Some of those plants are obviously monsters, and if I only had a room full of those fuckers... WOW! So I'll work on it. I'm vegging up new material for moms... I have cuts sitting in coco and they're still alive after a week. Maybe they'll root this time. We can only hope so.
howdy bobble dude like fred said once your clones are rollin all healthy and uniform your pod will be breakin' gpw records blumats seem like they would be a huge plus but i think u could kick ass without em as well, cuts just gotta be right/even feeding. ya know dude i biult and tweeked alotta systems and most of em worked or just needed to be dialed however i was a lil impatient and if they didnt run perfect the first time i biult somethin else lil crazy anyhoo learn all ya can this first run and kill it on the second.
like fred said once your clones are rollin all healthy and uniform your pod will be breakin' gpw records blumats seem like they would be a huge plus but i think u could kick ass without em as well, cuts just gotta be right/even feeding. ya know dude i biult and tweeked alotta systems and most of em worked or just needed to be dialed however i was a lil impatient and if they didnt run perfect the first time i biult somethin else lil crazy anyhoo learn all ya can this first run and kill it on the second.
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greenmatter
Yeah... definitely overwatered. I would say that the pH looks good overall, but I think that Bonzo had a point about my clones not being green from the start.
I didn't expect to run so much RO through the bags when I was dialing in the feed system. I had to dial it in on 2 separate days, with a few days in between. I should have reintroduced nutrients... Instead I leached out all of the cal/mag from a medium that holds it and a plant that loves it. So, I attribute leaf issues to that... There are a few twisted leaves and some that are pigmented kinda funny. The newest growth looks normal though.
As far as the over-watering is concerned, this is what's going on... Those runt bags and a few of the bags on the bottom with only 1 clone can't soak up the water that the bags with 2 healthy clones do. After the tray fills up with water, it pours over and falls into the plant below it. What I did to fix it was adjust the height of the basket stakes to release less water. I would say 50% of the bags were getting over-watered due to a cascading waterfall... So I started at the first tray that was flooded, and worked my way down, raising the basket stakes.
When I go back next week and put the weakest plants on the top I expect I shouldn't have this problem anymore... It's all just part of dialing things in I figure. At least none of the plants are over-dried...
Now, as far as the clone factory goes... Some of those plants are obviously monsters, and if I only had a room full of those fuckers... WOW! So I'll work on it. I'm vegging up new material for moms... I have cuts sitting in coco and they're still alive after a week. Maybe they'll root this time. We can only hope so.
you could put a drain in every tray and run all the overflow into the tub. i do it with a grommet and barbed 1/2' fittings with the exact same trays. works great and i bet it would cut down the time you spend cleaning up water. i think the grommets are about 20 cents each at ace hardware. have the extra water the tray holds out of the picture could be a big help in the "dialing" process too
howdy bobble dude
Yeah man I can't even count all the different systems you've posted... ha ha... But that's what I love about Freedom for Bonz, it was always new and exciting. This is my third go at this... All I have to do this time is pull more than 4lbs and I'll have been successful.
I've had trouble vegging/cloning from the beginning... I overcame my vegging issues... Hopefully I'll overcome the cloning issues now too.
I was actually thinking of doing just such a thing... I'm considering it. I'll have to see what the floor looks like when I get back next week. I just don't wanna have to do the extra work when I plan on buying blumats in the next couple months. I'm just waiting for the plants to start coming down...
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DHF
What I meant about PH was......
What I meant about PH was......
The issues can be "inside" the rootzones and not be exemplified by runoff or where it`s set in the juice to be delivered feed sequence after feed sequence.....
Ample runoff most likely is taking care of said situation flushing rootzone wise , but.....
EVERYTIME I had twistin leaves and shit with the whoreass Chem D , calmag levels weren`t sufficient and ph was a lil off as in lower than higher as the plants ate .....
Ain`t gotta fuckin clue as to why , but once I upped the calmag and flushed the system with 1/2 strength nutes things returned to normal explosive growth throughout stretch.....
There`s a fucker round here that`s been banned at some of the other invite only sites cuz he`s so full of his fukin self that everybody`s wrong but him , just ask him , but.....
He explained about howta check "core ph" in the rootzones themselves and he`s dead on as in it`s different inside the rootzone compared to the runoff way if anything wonky or sideways is goin on with the plants....
Not even sure whereta go to find a thread explainin this , but the cat`s nick over here is I think Spurr.....I don`t EVEN like the motherfucker cuz he`s a scientist type that wears blinders and has tunnel vision with no latitude for other explanations except his own , but he`s fairly knowledgeable as a plant scientist....
As a grower like me learning first hand from experience GROWIN my bitches , he ain`t gotta clue , but he also explained how my crazy ass high RH levels provided all my explosive growth thru veg till end of stretch as VPD "vapor pressure deficit" compared to me just takin Krusty`s word for it for goin on a decade , so again.....
Cat`s fairly knowledeable.....but a grower he ain`t....
Anyways...things ta ponder my buddy since you`re WAY more book schooled than this pore `ol redneck down here in Hell....Just know what worked for me many many yrs.....never asked why only did rinse and repeat , Pete and repeat....over and again once I nailed my shit.......
You`re comin along well Bro....it`s the little things that make or break your bottom line yields....once they`re dialed it`s simple......babyshit.....
Peace.....Freds.........
What I meant about PH was......
The issues can be "inside" the rootzones and not be exemplified by runoff or where it`s set in the juice to be delivered feed sequence after feed sequence.....
Ample runoff most likely is taking care of said situation flushing rootzone wise , but.....
EVERYTIME I had twistin leaves and shit with the whoreass Chem D , calmag levels weren`t sufficient and ph was a lil off as in lower than higher as the plants ate .....
Ain`t gotta fuckin clue as to why , but once I upped the calmag and flushed the system with 1/2 strength nutes things returned to normal explosive growth throughout stretch.....
There`s a fucker round here that`s been banned at some of the other invite only sites cuz he`s so full of his fukin self that everybody`s wrong but him , just ask him , but.....
He explained about howta check "core ph" in the rootzones themselves and he`s dead on as in it`s different inside the rootzone compared to the runoff way if anything wonky or sideways is goin on with the plants....
Not even sure whereta go to find a thread explainin this , but the cat`s nick over here is I think Spurr.....I don`t EVEN like the motherfucker cuz he`s a scientist type that wears blinders and has tunnel vision with no latitude for other explanations except his own , but he`s fairly knowledgeable as a plant scientist....
As a grower like me learning first hand from experience GROWIN my bitches , he ain`t gotta clue , but he also explained how my crazy ass high RH levels provided all my explosive growth thru veg till end of stretch as VPD "vapor pressure deficit" compared to me just takin Krusty`s word for it for goin on a decade , so again.....
Cat`s fairly knowledeable.....but a grower he ain`t....
Anyways...things ta ponder my buddy since you`re WAY more book schooled than this pore `ol redneck down here in Hell....Just know what worked for me many many yrs.....never asked why only did rinse and repeat , Pete and repeat....over and again once I nailed my shit.......
You`re comin along well Bro....it`s the little things that make or break your bottom line yields....once they`re dialed it`s simple......babyshit.....
Peace.....Freds.....
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Yea, I think spurr got banned from here also. I have been having some twisted leaf bullshit going on, gonna add some calmag to the mix. bobble, im moving soon, then im gonna build pods also, and hopefully we can both break some serious GPW numbers. have fun on your trip homey.
aod
aod
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DHF
AOD....it was the lower PH in the rootzone`s themselves and not the insufficient cal/mag that caused the leaf twistin and shit goin on with my bitches....
Don`t know why.....My bitches were exhibiting interveinal chlorosis , slight yellowing , and beginning to show signs of rust spots......
Classic Cal/Mag deficiency symptoms....When ph drops , ppms rise and the plant`s ain`t eatin they`re storin juice and that ain`t a good thingy....
To have that "circadian rythym" as the plants eat ppm`s drop and ph rises gradually.....in a recirculating system....In DTW.....
Shit`s supposedta be written in stone since new juice runs through the medium/substrate every feed sequence and thing`s are supposedta stay rock solid......
That`s why I posted bout that "core" ph reading cuz that`s when I experienced the leaf twist and shit with runnin coco DTW in #5 smartpots..anyways....I`m glad that lil bitch is gone from here too....
Nauseates me ta argue with an ignorant person....They wear yer ass out and bring yas down to their level , then they whup your ass with experience.....all brains and can`t walk , talk , or chew bubblegum at the same time.....
This cat couldn`t even SPELL common sense......He was/is on a different level according to him.....I called his bullshit 2-3 yrs ago but what he brought to the table early on yrs ago when he had a lil respect enlightened me as to why my shit hooned so easily....
Sorry to ramble Bobbles...just tryin ta spread da luv....
Peace....Freds....
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VPD and nutrients absorption
okey dokey. There's a lot of valuable information in that thread, and ya don't have to be a rocket scientist to get the general idea...
1. Calcium and Boron are absorbed with water. Apparently the other nutrients are absorbed independent of water.
2. The higher your temperature, the higher the RH needs to be. Optimal numbers look to be a RH 5-10% below temp F. ie 80F and 75% RH, 70F and 65% RH. You've gotta calculate VPD based on temperature and RH% to know if you fall into the ideal range.
Why's this important?
If the air is dry, and the RH% considered dry will vary based on temp, the plant is going to transpire water vapor to try and even out moisture levels. It's what water does naturally, goes from levels of high concentration to low. With the water comes Ca and Bo, so if your plants are transpiring a lot, this can cause a Ca lockout.
edit: I forgot to mention that the Ca lockout is caused by the stomata closing. If the humidity is too low, the stomata close so that the plant doesn't lose excessive amounts of water. If the stomata are closed, the plant isn't transpiring. If the plant isn't transpiring, it's not drinking. If the plant isn't drinking, it's not absorbing Ca or Bo.
with that said... godamnsumbitch... I didn't hook the humidifier up until after week 1, and I'm running space heaters... and it's frigid outside with a super low RH%... but w/e, it's all hoonin now.
Anyway... yeah, I've read spurr's posts... and the guy is really well educated. I've rubbed elbows with lots of really educated people, and I find that the more educated they are, the more socially dysfunctional they are. Most people don't go on to get a post-secondary education. Even fewer go on to get graduate and doctoral degrees. Graduates and doctors are normally loopy as shit. lol... I mean we're not clinically psychotic or anything, but you have to have something wrong with you to put yourself through years of solitude when everyone else is out drinking and fucking.., You're in school learning all sorts of information that you won't ever directly use in your daily life, but to get the big picture and understand how it all works, you have to know... and then nobody wants to be around the guy/gal that knows everything and is right all the time.
Better to be Socrates dissatisfied... but just cause ur dissatisfied doesn't mean u can be an asshole.
okey dokey. There's a lot of valuable information in that thread, and ya don't have to be a rocket scientist to get the general idea...
1. Calcium and Boron are absorbed with water. Apparently the other nutrients are absorbed independent of water.
2. The higher your temperature, the higher the RH needs to be. Optimal numbers look to be a RH 5-10% below temp F. ie 80F and 75% RH, 70F and 65% RH. You've gotta calculate VPD based on temperature and RH% to know if you fall into the ideal range.
Why's this important?
If the air is dry, and the RH% considered dry will vary based on temp, the plant is going to transpire water vapor to try and even out moisture levels. It's what water does naturally, goes from levels of high concentration to low. With the water comes Ca and Bo, so if your plants are transpiring a lot, this can cause a Ca lockout.
edit: I forgot to mention that the Ca lockout is caused by the stomata closing. If the humidity is too low, the stomata close so that the plant doesn't lose excessive amounts of water. If the stomata are closed, the plant isn't transpiring. If the plant isn't transpiring, it's not drinking. If the plant isn't drinking, it's not absorbing Ca or Bo.
with that said... godamnsumbitch... I didn't hook the humidifier up until after week 1, and I'm running space heaters... and it's frigid outside with a super low RH%... but w/e, it's all hoonin now.
Anyway... yeah, I've read spurr's posts... and the guy is really well educated. I've rubbed elbows with lots of really educated people, and I find that the more educated they are, the more socially dysfunctional they are. Most people don't go on to get a post-secondary education. Even fewer go on to get graduate and doctoral degrees. Graduates and doctors are normally loopy as shit. lol... I mean we're not clinically psychotic or anything, but you have to have something wrong with you to put yourself through years of solitude when everyone else is out drinking and fucking.., You're in school learning all sorts of information that you won't ever directly use in your daily life, but to get the big picture and understand how it all works, you have to know... and then nobody wants to be around the guy/gal that knows everything and is right all the time.
Better to be Socrates dissatisfied... but just cause ur dissatisfied doesn't mean u can be an asshole.
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. I mean we're not clinically psychotic or anything
Hmmmm well if you say so!
Hmmmm well if you say so!
Much Improved Bobble! Nice to hear bout the location, hopefully your neighbor moves away haha.
I like the structure on the Straw DD as well. Do you usually get your genetics in seed or clone form?
I like the structure on the Straw DD as well. Do you usually get your genetics in seed or clone form?
hey bobble, looking sick in the pod. i think you will be able to hit an elbow per wall if you added the top shelf. just a little over a z per plant.easily attainable with well established roots.
in my semi-stadium my best in (20) 2gal smart pots(per-side) with just peat and lime and chunky perlite and 2 solid weeks of veg around a 1k hortilux bulb was about 12-14 oz, or @.6-.7z per plant. chemD. sides were staggered about 16 days. if i did all 40 chems and the filler sourD IBL'S(4-6 per side) at the same time i think i coulda hit 3 bows.
used blumats for that last apartment stadium run. lol/lmao. u are gonna love them Blues Baby!!!! blows away any stake/dripper system; never seen roots, even in smarties like thems. and the vigor during stretch. just picked up 40 more for a 4k Sour D ibl horizontal. started clones in 5 gal pots and was gonna veg/establish roots for two weeks and top; might not need to. roots are exploding out of the bottom after only 7 days, and they are at topping height.(6-8 nodes)
5$ a pop is pricey, but the extra weight is evident after 20 days, at day 40 of flower the plants look done, like my handwatered plants looked at day 60. lol. plus, mad convenient.
when i build my 2K RBDFPOD(flipped with my 2k horizontal room) im gonna do a lot of what u be doing here, just (6) sided w/ three plants per shelf. destroyed my old racks when i bounced from the old grow.................currently carpet cleaning and tapinmuddinpainting the flipprooms to get them back proper by feb 1st.
i go hard in RAMBLE-MODE............................
RBDF
in my semi-stadium my best in (20) 2gal smart pots(per-side) with just peat and lime and chunky perlite and 2 solid weeks of veg around a 1k hortilux bulb was about 12-14 oz, or @.6-.7z per plant. chemD. sides were staggered about 16 days. if i did all 40 chems and the filler sourD IBL'S(4-6 per side) at the same time i think i coulda hit 3 bows.
used blumats for that last apartment stadium run. lol/lmao. u are gonna love them Blues Baby!!!! blows away any stake/dripper system; never seen roots, even in smarties like thems. and the vigor during stretch. just picked up 40 more for a 4k Sour D ibl horizontal. started clones in 5 gal pots and was gonna veg/establish roots for two weeks and top; might not need to. roots are exploding out of the bottom after only 7 days, and they are at topping height.(6-8 nodes)
5$ a pop is pricey, but the extra weight is evident after 20 days, at day 40 of flower the plants look done, like my handwatered plants looked at day 60. lol. plus, mad convenient.
when i build my 2K RBDFPOD(flipped with my 2k horizontal room) im gonna do a lot of what u be doing here, just (6) sided w/ three plants per shelf. destroyed my old racks when i bounced from the old grow.................currently carpet cleaning and tapinmuddinpainting the flipprooms to get them back proper by feb 1st.
i go hard in RAMBLE-MODE............................
RBDF
freds, i add my LIME @ (1) cup per cubic foot; or about half gallon per bale+25% chunky. m plants have never been happier. is that a good substitute for cal mag? i run a Rez-type formula w kool bloom and hygrozyme.
ive read that lime is a great natural set and forget cal and mag supplement.
let me know, obi-wan.
RBDF
ive read that lime is a great natural set and forget cal and mag supplement.
let me know, obi-wan.
RBDF
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DHF
First I heard of it RBDF , but if yer girls have never been happier then maybe you`re onto something.....
Best defer to Bobbles for more info on lime whether it be calcified , dolomite , quicklime , etc.....
Usedta use dolomite in my outdoor grows but never inside.....
Peace....Freds....
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thanks for the encouragement rbdf.
w/e powder lime you're using.. It's probably a time release type deal... And in that case, unless you're running an organic mix, I would run a cal/mag supplement that's readily available, like Epsom salts... Something heavy in Ca. I suppose if you were to dissolve the lime in water first it would work better.
