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Blueberry happens to me my most memorable smoke. Tasty and ohh, the smell. The high was very relaxing. I'd definately grow it when i get a chance. Afropips, just give up. Please.
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Fuckin' sick pics there JLP!!!!Now thats fine cannabis in it's truest form!
Afropip,
Didn't you just get through saying to me that you do not bash other breeders..
WTF man,let it go..
You need to understand that thousands and thousands of people have grown the mans genetics with killer results!!Not just average results,but killer excellent results...DJ didn't just collect seed and inbreed and pass it to the public...He inbred for many generations so that we could benefit from the fine ganja that is produced from his stock..He could have made F1's and left it at that but he took the time to create IBL's for the world...You have not even scratched the surface of what this guy has done and it looks terrible for you to bash someone that has givin so much to us all...
Honestly,you couldn't carry the guys jockstrap.........Fact!
You would have to wear that thing like a backpack
Time to let it go...........................CC
afropips said:
Afropip,
Didn't you just get through saying to me that you do not bash other breeders..
WTF man,let it go..
You need to understand that thousands and thousands of people have grown the mans genetics with killer results!!Not just average results,but killer excellent results...DJ didn't just collect seed and inbreed and pass it to the public...He inbred for many generations so that we could benefit from the fine ganja that is produced from his stock..He could have made F1's and left it at that but he took the time to create IBL's for the world...You have not even scratched the surface of what this guy has done and it looks terrible for you to bash someone that has givin so much to us all...
Honestly,you couldn't carry the guys jockstrap.........Fact!
You would have to wear that thing like a backpack
Time to let it go...........................CC
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stretchpuppy
Wow JLP... those pictures make me want to drop what I'm doing and grab those beans!!
Outstanding.
Outstanding.
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Guest
JLP your the man, Afropips is just a hater who's prolly jealous of DJ's popularity as being a fine breeder.
afropips
Active member
Please Dudes!
I would not want to carry the guys jockstrap.
I am not jealous of DJs breeding accumen if
all his lines now contain Mutants.
Quite the contary - Mutants should not be used
when breeding unless you want serious complications
in the future with cannabis cultivation.
I have his book & gained nothing from it but disagreement
on his tecniques & ideas regards canna cultivation.
Thanks JLP for posting & being honest regards the Mutants.
What about all you dudes bashing Afropips , Name calling &
slandering with never sampling Afropips just because
I point out that Mutants are not good &
DJs BB line have them.
I have seen this bashing happening to other growers that have
posted there grievences regards the quality of seeds & plants that
they paid good money for.
Its a Farce!
Just because I am a seed producer all the DJ supporters
seem to think its time to take some chunks off the Rear.
Competative bunch - supporting Mutants.
Liberator - Seeing that you never came to the Afropips forumn
I will address your Speculation here.
How come you purchased African seeds & Afropips seeds when you have been to Malawi 3 times?
If it was so easy gleaning good seeds from cobs ,
why did you not utilise them from the cobs & mother trees you photographed?
Seems odd to me!
How much did you pay for the Afropips MG & what sort of packaging did you receive?
Cool Runnings..........
I would not want to carry the guys jockstrap.
I am not jealous of DJs breeding accumen if
all his lines now contain Mutants.
Quite the contary - Mutants should not be used
when breeding unless you want serious complications
in the future with cannabis cultivation.
I have his book & gained nothing from it but disagreement
on his tecniques & ideas regards canna cultivation.
Thanks JLP for posting & being honest regards the Mutants.
What about all you dudes bashing Afropips , Name calling &
slandering with never sampling Afropips just because
I point out that Mutants are not good &
DJs BB line have them.
I have seen this bashing happening to other growers that have
posted there grievences regards the quality of seeds & plants that
they paid good money for.
Its a Farce!
Just because I am a seed producer all the DJ supporters
seem to think its time to take some chunks off the Rear.
Competative bunch - supporting Mutants.
Liberator - Seeing that you never came to the Afropips forumn
I will address your Speculation here.
How come you purchased African seeds & Afropips seeds when you have been to Malawi 3 times?
If it was so easy gleaning good seeds from cobs ,
why did you not utilise them from the cobs & mother trees you photographed?
Seems odd to me!
How much did you pay for the Afropips MG & what sort of packaging did you receive?
Cool Runnings..........
Afropips please don't take this as an assault (we had our problems) but I'm curious as to what you disagree with out of dj's book. I admit not getting a whole lot out of his book but a few valuable pieces info were in there. I agree with his endophytic trichome theory. His indoor cultivation are largely my own though I developed mine independently from him. I am also curious about your own experience stabilizing hybrids and when you will make your stable hybrids available.
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Guest
I and probably many others don't care if his lines have some leaf mutations - big deal. Most grow out of it. It's just a trait of Blueberry and it's hybrids. The final product is worth a twisted leaf here and there. Hell Steve, Red, Chimera, DP, TRC etc. all use his Blueberry in some of their lines. Think of all the Blueberry crosses out there. The point is Blueberry kicks ass mutants or not, and people will continue to buy his gear whether it be from him or a knock off or whatever.
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Guest
Hey Afropips!
Hey Afropips!
Hey Afroppips I'm buying your seeds to grow out along with my new dj blueberry,I want to see what ya'll are talking about.Could you please pm me or tell me which ones are best suited to be thick and well acclimated to the indoor arena.I'm not bullshitting and I only hate Osama.Thanks.PEACE!!!MUCHA LUCHA!!!
Hey Afropips!
Hey Afroppips I'm buying your seeds to grow out along with my new dj blueberry,I want to see what ya'll are talking about.Could you please pm me or tell me which ones are best suited to be thick and well acclimated to the indoor arena.I'm not bullshitting and I only hate Osama.Thanks.PEACE!!!MUCHA LUCHA!!!
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Guest
Would Malberry be a worthy enough battle???
afropips
Active member
Hi ML ,
Are you a Sativa Or Indica Lover?
The Malberry is worthy although it is not the latest & most potent
Malawi that was used.
However The BB used had no severely malformed mutants.
It would be interesting if you compare seed size,
quality of packaging , germ ratio, ovarall vigor
& weight of buds per plant at harvest.
You would have to germ both side by side & skip the veg period
otherwise the height discrepancy will not give max light to both.
The Afropips variety you choose will flower later & needs a good long cure
for optimum results.
It would be interesting if you also
post your personal opinion to how they taste & the effect encountered
at harvest.
Cool Runnings..........
Are you a Sativa Or Indica Lover?
The Malberry is worthy although it is not the latest & most potent
Malawi that was used.
However The BB used had no severely malformed mutants.
It would be interesting if you compare seed size,
quality of packaging , germ ratio, ovarall vigor
& weight of buds per plant at harvest.
You would have to germ both side by side & skip the veg period
otherwise the height discrepancy will not give max light to both.
The Afropips variety you choose will flower later & needs a good long cure
for optimum results.
It would be interesting if you also
post your personal opinion to how they taste & the effect encountered
at harvest.
Cool Runnings..........
G
Guest
hey ML - you should be able to find answers to your questions in the Afropips forum and elsewhere, but suffice to say Blueberry and Malawi Gold make for excellent hybrids
the DJ Short article on Blueberry actually discusses the principle of using distant landraces to produce vigorous, potent and prolific crosses
so in his case, DJ Short used an Afghan indica and Thai/Mexican sativa as the basis from which to begin in-breeding to create Blueberry... the eventual Blueberry is a largely indica IBL, favouring the Afghan side
so this means that when crossing an indica heavy IBL like Bluberry with an ancient smoking sativa like Malawi Gold you end up, as you would expect, with an F1 generation extreme hybrid vigour
the Afropips hybrids you mention show these qualities, and also have an intense aroma and high ... as a non-Afropips example of such a cross there is Matu Mago (MG x Matanuska Tundra) another good illustrator of a vigorous F1 between "distant" indica and sativa types
"distant" F1 crosses such as this basically grow themselves, and produce fabulous smoke - from many perspectives and most of the time they are more convenient and more uniform than IBLs themselves, which some people would argue are mostly worth acquiring for the purposes of creating F1s of your own
cheers,
Namkha
the DJ Short article on Blueberry actually discusses the principle of using distant landraces to produce vigorous, potent and prolific crosses
so in his case, DJ Short used an Afghan indica and Thai/Mexican sativa as the basis from which to begin in-breeding to create Blueberry... the eventual Blueberry is a largely indica IBL, favouring the Afghan side
so this means that when crossing an indica heavy IBL like Bluberry with an ancient smoking sativa like Malawi Gold you end up, as you would expect, with an F1 generation extreme hybrid vigour
the Afropips hybrids you mention show these qualities, and also have an intense aroma and high ... as a non-Afropips example of such a cross there is Matu Mago (MG x Matanuska Tundra) another good illustrator of a vigorous F1 between "distant" indica and sativa types
"distant" F1 crosses such as this basically grow themselves, and produce fabulous smoke - from many perspectives and most of the time they are more convenient and more uniform than IBLs themselves, which some people would argue are mostly worth acquiring for the purposes of creating F1s of your own
cheers,
Namkha
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afropips
Active member
Hiya Zam,
NB this is the BB thread.
+ I do not understand this statement:-
His indoor cultivation are largely my own though I developed mine independently from him.
+ What do you actually mean when referring to Stability?
All the Afrhybrids ar out of the stable!
Cool Runnings.........
NB this is the BB thread.
+ I do not understand this statement:-
His indoor cultivation are largely my own though I developed mine independently from him.
+ What do you actually mean when referring to Stability?
All the Afrhybrids ar out of the stable!
Cool Runnings.........
Stability,as in how stable a givin' variety is.....As in it's traits,do they all look alike,smoke alike,sing alike........
afropips said:
Only problem here is I do not grow my herbs for any of these reasons....Although overall vigor and weight of buds are important,the main reason I grow is to get really high
So what strain are ya saying is the absolute strongest?
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The djshort book is largely a cultivation (the title is "cultivating exceptional cannabis") manual with very little on breeding. When you said you disagreed with what was in his book I did not know if you were refering to his breeding techniques or his cultivation technique so I stated that we (djshort and i) cultivated cannabis in a very similar ways. If you disagreed with his breeding techniques I'm curious as to what it is you disagree with since there isn't a whole bunch of breeding info in the book.
What I mean when I refer to stabilizing a hybrid or creating and ibl I'm referring to inbreeding an f1 hybrid at least 2 further generations to increase homozygosity. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the afropips catalog is f1 hybrids (not considered stable or true breeding) or improved landrace. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the afropips catalog I'm just saying you're two very different companies. If you disagree with his techniques for stabilizing a hybrid I'd just like for you to discuss your own experiences stabilizing hybrids. Other than saying mutants are bad and that allowing a mutant to occur in your seeds is bad you don't say what it is about your technique that prevents mutants from occuring.
So is F-13 considered the "best" blueberry? And does a blueberry hybrid truly count as a "blueberry" plant.....maybe it all depends on the phenotypic expression of traditionally "blueberry" traits......
DJ Short's book is the first time i have ever seen a well-designed and accurate "smell and taste" diagram.......that diagram is very valuable imho......and i still want to somehow find some of that PYGMEA CANNABIS which burns white smoke and smells
like bad meat......i figure someone's gonna have to meet with this tribe and obtain the
seeds with their direction and advice.....
kind regards from a guineapig
DJ Short's book is the first time i have ever seen a well-designed and accurate "smell and taste" diagram.......that diagram is very valuable imho......and i still want to somehow find some of that PYGMEA CANNABIS which burns white smoke and smells
like bad meat......i figure someone's gonna have to meet with this tribe and obtain the
seeds with their direction and advice.....
kind regards from a guineapig
afropips
Active member
Hiya Zam,
Some of my lines I have taken to the 5th generation.
The further down the in bred line you proceed the more likelyhood
you will have of mutants occuring.
There is no tecnique to get away from this.
To ensure Stable genetics mutants should be
culled & not included in the breeding.
I see no purpose of producing an IBL from a small gene pool to
produce plants so that each individual is similar.
I prefer to search for the landrace variety for similar plants.
that have been produced with a large gene pool.
The growers & producers of landrace varieties are the "Breeders"
that deserve the respect IMO.
Furthermore F1 & F2 etc offer the homegrower the most vigorous plants
They can then make there own selections from the phenos expressed
in the generations based on there preference.
I do not wish to discuss DJs book here,
Perhaps if a thread is started to discuss his book
I might have the time to chime in.
Cool Runnings........
Some of my lines I have taken to the 5th generation.
The further down the in bred line you proceed the more likelyhood
you will have of mutants occuring.
There is no tecnique to get away from this.
To ensure Stable genetics mutants should be
culled & not included in the breeding.
I see no purpose of producing an IBL from a small gene pool to
produce plants so that each individual is similar.
I prefer to search for the landrace variety for similar plants.
that have been produced with a large gene pool.
The growers & producers of landrace varieties are the "Breeders"
that deserve the respect IMO.
Furthermore F1 & F2 etc offer the homegrower the most vigorous plants
They can then make there own selections from the phenos expressed
in the generations based on there preference.
I do not wish to discuss DJs book here,
Perhaps if a thread is started to discuss his book
I might have the time to chime in.
Cool Runnings........
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afropips
Active member
Hiya Capt,
I agree I mainly select for the most potent , sight distorting
effect & tastes but all the other factors are important in producing
vigorous seeds & plants that are easy for the homegrower
to germ & grow without too much trouble realising a super crop.
Cool Runnings.........
I agree I mainly select for the most potent , sight distorting
effect & tastes but all the other factors are important in producing
vigorous seeds & plants that are easy for the homegrower
to germ & grow without too much trouble realising a super crop.
Cool Runnings.........
