Are American and Canadian growers biased against Dutch breeders and seedbanks?

[THC123]

Dutch breeders just aren't putting out the quality that Americans are.

what a load of horsecrap have you tried every strain from every dutch breeder and every us breeder and compared??

they all have good and less better strains no matter where they are from

when i was in holland , they thought i would die smoking a 1 gram joint of white widow with no tobacco hahahaha lol.

you know there are also lots of people smoking it pure here


as far as weed quality goes , i think the overall quality is better here because we don't know schwag or seeded buds , we simply don't have that here , sure maybe in the us you could have a few stronger strains but overall/generally the quality is better here

There you have it , my toy car is better than yours(j/k)

 

[Blue]

@vag puncher..
DNA out source to growers in spain to do all the work after they have stolen some one elses gear & renamed it.

If you look in those picture books, big book of buds you will see a big union jack next to Rez's name that means he comes from ENGLAND/UK not the US/Canada?.

The Dutch scene has some stella gear AWESOME gear that you wont find in any coffee shop & thats the problem too many Yanks & Canadians go to holland smoke Coffee shop weed then make the assumption that Dutch weed is worse then what they get at home. 98% of coffee shop gear is ok nothing more nothing less it's COMMERCIAL CROP just like beasters. This small fact seems to slip the minds of most......

I can guarantee you that the Real dutch scene is on a par with the West coast as I have spent enough time in both places to know whats what.

 

[Dalaihempy]

you are comparing tomatoes to oranges.

dutch peple smoke weed with tobacco, what kind of cannassuer is that. i spent a year there, and the weed was very good, but not like the weed in canada/us. holland still has alot of breeders from around the world, but who wants to smoke, grow or buy jiucy fruit from sensi seeds, or the bastardised pure from tfd, or chronic from serious or himalayan gold from ghs.

ive acquired a ha og kush, a pk from 3 years ago and a sour diesel this year that blew away any beans ive bought or smoked in amsterdam. i have friends going there all the time, and all that is great is you have menus with many kinds of bud and hash. i gaurantee if a dutchman went to (or european for that matter) came to bc or cali especially and smoked some pineapple kush or og kush or real skunk weed, they would have an experience of an altered stae of reality, and call an ambulance(tobaccoless joints).

europeans (mostly) like to smoke and relax with there spliffs. i like to smoke up to an ounce a day of boombastic elite weed to get fucked up to help my pain and brain.

when i was in holland , they thought i would die smoking a 1 gram joint of white widow with no tobacco hahahaha lol.

cali and much of the west coast of n america even down to mexico have the bomb.

remember, the west is a sellers market, so quality riegns supreme. if you got dutch weed, the value is less then elite cuts . and, where did all the strains come from in the 80"s to holland. thai, mexican, hawaiian, afghani, indian, paki, asian and african kind seeds all came to cali in the bud. then went to holland mostly to be worked on, as such today.

keep things in perspective, dont let that tobacco fool you hahaha lol

og kush is one of my all time faves, and will annihilate anyone without experience in smoking real weed without carcinogens.

bog gear will kill 95% of all of ssb, tfd, ss, ths for medical quality, which really is all that matters for people who grow for the purpose of smoking, as it was meant for, or eating etc, d

You are what gives Americans a bad name and have other people even Americans walking away from the likes of and most of the canna community shaking there heads and thinking to them self s what a complete wanker.

Long Live the American-Canadian-Dutch-Australian-Colombian-Mexican-Thai-African-English-Spanish-Czech cannabis community...the group that doesn't care where I am from, only how I can contribute and how it can help me in return.

Yep finally wards of wisdom.

 

[DocLeaf]

Yep finally wards of wisdom.

Do I really need to display a bias towards or against a particular geograpgic source of seeds?

Great comments

peace
dLeaf

'The love last year was the number one bomb,,
This year we're asking "Where's all the love gone?" ' [Skinnyman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0l7bJrmgh0

 

[DocLeaf]

If you look in those picture books, big book of buds you will see a big union jack next to Rez's name that means he comes from ENGLAND/UK not the US/Canada.

Who cares where RezDog comes from or Resevoir Seeds is based?

(no offense to Rez).

Like 'mind you own business' ... watch your own plants grow dude

peace n flowers

 

[resin_lung]

It's hard for me to look down on Dutch breeders, cause I'm a MIDGET! lol

Seriously though, I spent way to long dreaming about their seeds to be biased against the Dutch. I remember meeting a dude who had a SSSC catalog in like like '89 and drooling! I would stare at it like it was a playboy mag! I was growing Mexican bag seed with no name (which was good) but I wanted a strain! Back then there weren't alot of options for seed. The Dutch made it possible for me to grow something better than what I was at the time.

 

[Blue]

@ Doc I was simply pointing out to Vag puncher that Rez is not a yank or Canadian as he was claiming & that he is from the uk the same area that he was slamming for having poor breeders.

My views are if you are going to debate get your facts right so you cant be called on them......

Number one lesson from the ragin Cajun James Carville

But thanks for your concern.

 

[headband 707]

I agree with DMT

I agree with DMT

you are comparing tomatoes to oranges.

dutch peple smoke weed with tobacco, what kind of cannassuer is that. i spent a year there, and the weed was very good, but not like the weed in canada/us. holland still has alot of breeders from around the world, but who wants to smoke, grow or buy jiucy fruit from sensi seeds, or the bastardised pure from tfd, or chronic from serious or himalayan gold from ghs.

ive acquired a ha og kush, a pk from 3 years ago and a sour diesel this year that blew away any beans ive bought or smoked in amsterdam. i have friends going there all the time, and all that is great is you have menus with many kinds of bud and hash. i gaurantee if a dutchman went to (or european for that matter) came to bc or cali especially and smoked some pineapple kush or og kush or real skunk weed, they would have an experience of an altered stae of reality, and call an ambulance(tobaccoless joints).

europeans (mostly) like to smoke and relax with there spliffs. i like to smoke up to an ounce a day of boombastic elite weed to get fucked up to help my pain and brain.

when i was in holland , they thought i would die smoking a 1 gram joint of white widow with no tobacco hahahaha lol.

cali and much of the west coast of n america even down to mexico have the bomb.

remember, the west is a sellers market, so quality riegns supreme. if you got dutch weed, the value is less then elite cuts . and, where did all the strains come from in the 80"s to holland. thai, mexican, hawaiian, afghani, indian, paki, asian and african kind seeds all came to cali in the bud. then went to holland mostly to be worked on, as such today.

keep things in perspective, dont let that tobacco fool you hahaha lol

og kush is one of my all time faves, and will annihilate anyone without experience in smoking real weed without carcinogens.

bog gear will kill 95% of all of ssb, tfd, ss, ths for medical quality, which really is all that matters for people who grow for the purpose of smoking, as it was meant for, or eating etc, d

Yeah I'm going to have to agree with DMT but I still say it's who you know down there bro everywhere!!!!! as far as GHS I have had real shit with them so I can say one way or the other LOL...But so far I to have traveled and have nothing close to BC bud and I'm not sure why that is???? As far as them using tobacco in their bud everyone back east does that so I'm not sure that is the problem lol..I would never put tobacco in my bud YUK!!! Again you work with what you have we all know they are great growers so thats not the problem lol peace out Headband707

 

[DocLeaf]

Peace n flowers Blue

Over the past few years,, we tested and grown and smoked seeds from the UK, Holland, Norway, Italy, Denmark, the USA, and Spain. There were good packs and not so good packs in all of them... overall all these places have something special to offer the community.. what grows around ,, that's good,, tends to come back around regardless of where it was originally from.. like coconuts!

 

[englishrick]

are American Scientist`s the best in the world,,,,,?

i mean its just a stupid question,,,

 

[headband 707]

USA Isn't even in the race..

USA Isn't even in the race..

are American Scientist`s the best in the world,,,,,?

i mean its just a stupid question,,,

LOL LOL
The US isn't even in the race when it comes to scientific reasearch of cannabis it's Isreal and Spain .. The US has done everything to kill bud from this there is no doubt.... Not to say there are not ppl working hard to make sure they don't lol lol peace out Headband707

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

and if so why?

try and keep it polite please

VG.

yes. because our shit is the bomb, and they just borrowed it from us. lol jk. I love the dutch breeders. besides pot breeding is human thing not a country thing. it has been around since the beginning of human history. anyone spreading around the good plant, and keeping it from extinction is good in my book.

 

[gigante]

The Dutch hybrids were all great until the 1998 law change made em move indoors and underground, breeding and selecting indoors under HPS is not the way to do things, you need to work outdoors, and from the early 80 to 98, that is what they did.

Since 98, a large part of the decline has been down to the Dutch police - they are too good at busting grows, so countless mother plants and breeding males were lost, meaning they had to start again from seed, and they can't grow large numbers for selection like they used to do as it's all done in small indoor rooms. This is why the lines like Kali Mist have changed and aren't what they once were. Contrast that with the MrNice strains, Shanti left Holland right after the 98 law change and carried on maintaining his hybrids the correct way - under glass with large populations.

All serious seed companies left holland for growing with big populations at other places. First this was Switzerland, now its Italy and Spain or Morocco. Sorry guys, but serious dutch companies (founders and pioneers incl.) are serious breeders. I think there was never a country before in which cannabis seed breeding was such professional and standardized as in the netherlands till the late 90s. But okay, if you buy a seedpack of 20€ from nirvana or similar companys you will not get breeded seeds - just fakes. Think about. Buy serious and you will get quality seeds. In fact breeding is not as easy as before, but still possible...

 

[VerdantGreen]

..... i like to smoke up to an ounce a day of boombastic elite weed to get fucked up to help my pain and brain.

an ounce a day??? - either you are a bullsh1tter or your elite weed cant be that good.

VG

 

[DocLeaf]

are American Scientist`s the best in the world,,,,,?

Simple answer is "no",, no offense the USA crew! Cambridge holds the best post-graduate BSc (science) students in PhD and Masters degrees and general academia out there,, known fact,, (severl of whom are American, so no beef) ,, although still,, their botanical knowledge is slacking in places in dem colleges... (so we still help educate wherever we can)

actually i think it can be cathartic and constructive to talk about these issues directly rather than just making snidey off topic comments in other threads about it, thats why i started this.

heres' some advice - if you dont want a thread to stay alive then best not to post in it

Yep. VG nailed it,, if you dont like what is happening , dont take part,, or even better,, grow start you own scene and we (i n i) WILL gladly support it !!!

One love!

 

[tribe]

Haha, I'm fairly sure that Englishrick was being rhetorical when he asked the american scientists question, but still lots of peeps feel the need to answer him anyway, maybe to rekindle a debate or to try and keep the thread alive...????? hahaha

 

[DocLeaf]

Haha, I'm fairly sure that Englishrick was being rhetorical when he asked the american scientists question, but still lots of peeps feel the need to answer him anyway, maybe to rekindle a debate or to try and keep the thread alive...????? hahaha

Nah. English rick is my friend,, and that's the truth right there!

Monsanto learning,, no thanks!

Harvard and Yale are NOT all that buddy (no offense),, my old lecturer studied philosophy there,, and read animal farm aloud in under 1 hour to his peers for a bet! Say no more on that score.. lol

P.s. Many Americans are smart ppl,, just most academics over there are still dumb as f***,, - Chomski, Davies and Barlow being the dis-connected acceptation from the academic norm as we see's it!

You folks could do a whole lot better than Ed Rosenthal IMO..lmfao.. he's a real twit! Dropthem! (we didnt say twat,, wait a min we just did) who misguided hundreds,, wait thousands of growers with his misguided clap-trap /twoddle,,,, 'High Times',, say no more!

Who is doing it outside of Holland, Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Italy, Norway, and the UK today,, please do enlighten us folks,, we will aim to help them out (we are all ears on that score ,,for real,,, still pioneers)

Poland perhaps? you folk are slipping down the list further now,, step it up please ,, 30 year old genetics from Sam working in Holland (Jah bless) are now oldschool,, (we call it "Cheese") but still there;s plenty new stuff happening NOW in the UK from that, ,so SK#1 is just old news these ends.. (Road Kill Skunk is totally last season)

One love ALL! N.b Docleaf holds no place for hating,, jibe back at me with the F-U you got on a new line,,pls do ,, we'll love it!

 

[englishrick]

Nah. English rick is my friend,, and that's the truth right there!

P.s. Many Americans are smart ppl,, just most academics over there are still dumb as f***,, -

You folks could do a whole lot better than Ed Rosenthal IMO..

yeh man,,,i support you!!!

an yeh,,,,its true,,,,many smart people turn to the darkside,,,,,some do lose the path!!,,,,,,knolage can lead any1 out of the garden of eden!!,,,,,,many are missguided by the snake!!

i do think your being a lil harsh on ed tho doc,,,,i think hes a nice guy,,,ive met him a few times when he was chillin in the sensi seedshop blasting vaporizors,,,,i learnt from alot fromhim in the early days,,,an even now i look back at some of my vintage hightimes and he maks some very interesting comments,,,sometimes hes peckking on genius but hes not quite on a level with sam,,,i still love the dude

in 1996 edd was talking about crossing monoutious and diotious cannabis ang getting a 50:50 ratio ,,,,thats some clever sh1t for 1996

 

[indifferent]

Ed is a bit crazy and a nightmare to work with from all accounts, but he does know his stuff.

PS, reading Animal Farm out loud in under an hour is just BS, no-one could do that.

All US Academics stupid? Oh dear, what drivel. Teaching colleges a thing or two because their knowledge is lacking? Pure deluded twaddle.

 

[Tom Hill]

Indeed,

Not just this thread here, either, it's all drivel. I sure do miss Kopite, and Hyb. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here folks....