Are American and Canadian growers biased against Dutch breeders and seedbanks?

[englishrick]

thanks indi,,,its nice to get support,,,,im good with trust too

its easy to see your feelin like your winding down,,,but i think we can wind you up again,,,

Haploid plants possess only one set of chromosomes and these plants can be ‘doubled’ to produce valuable breeding material.

toms probbly gona stabilize something in 1 gen,,,,hes bought a G5 plane and hes learning to fly,,,,

 

[Cinderella99]

Yea...One generation of phenotypes after what Tom just said in Rez forum...LOL LOL

 

[Dalaihempy]

Hempy you know damn well that you and I don't see eye to eye on many things. But, man, I think we can live with that - being that neither you or I are a "mentor" it's a little more plausible that we might both be full of shit - especially you, tehee. Here are a few things you may want to come to grips with though. 1) Nev swapped that Haze out for a lil Aussie genes at some point and yet you say if it ain't Haze bros it ain't Haze - the Euros are FAMOUS for falsifying peds, whether it be the cannabis scene or the KNVP - it's WELL known bro, undeniable. 2) You, like this other schmuck, wanna pound on female selections as unnatural, yet I just saw the guy you're all up in with getting a semi for a new doubled haploid tech?, lol. Anyways, when it all shakes out and the truth be told I dig you Hempy, as much as I disagree, you got salt mate. -T

hiya tom first off i am not full of shit in fact i am 100% honest and truthful so much so it gets me into shit often.

I don't claim to be any thing more than a grower tom but i have been growing a long time i take my mj very serious and did from a very young age when i started to grow wich was 16 i had no grow books i started on pure sativas pure true breeding lines i found my info from old hippi growers i would score from and from watching studing my plants all the people close to me made fun of me as i only had cannabis on my mind.

Trust me tom i am very happy to be a loner i don't need to feel important or do i need to be popular i am happy being imfumes and as long as i stay true to my self and my beliefs then i am on the road to enlightenment.

1/ I know shanti on a personal level i have asked him and spoken to him about the haze they use tom i know when Neville collected the pure haze seed and i also know from were and from the person or persons he collected it from reality is tom Neville's work speak volumes most used his work to create there own lines and seed banks.

Yes many in the dam bull shit well so do many Americans and Canadians and so do some Australians lets be honest i see this all the time people posting saying they have a given line and it looks nothing like the real strain its sed to be or rubbish others to look good.

Haze tom as you know was created in the us by commercial growers it was not worked or breed there something a lot of Americans are not willing to swallow each generation of haze was different as the commercial growers that created it would just make more seed for the next crop using different plants Neville Sam and others that worked haze using different versions of haze did the real work and it was done in Europe Neville and Sam dont get on that is between them self we have herd Sams version not Neville's but i know shanti trust shanti and believe him.

You can not call something haze if it was not from the people that created it its like calling a Thia line kush a name is impotent it is wat identifies a species from the next.

I really find this post topic stupid because the people based in the dam were Australians Americans Canadians and Europeans and people from all over the world the few Americans saying the dutch stole this or did this are just pist that they did not have the balls to do it them selfs.

Fet was the only one who ever saw of handled this 'Dizzy' and he never released a single seed so we have no idea if it ever existed or whether he was simply telling porkies to hype up seeds sales.

I saw pictures and of its hybrids i was even offered hybrids of dizzy to test i saw even the mum of dizzy.

ABC did get you high, but it was low potency, it was collected by one of Emery's guys while in Australia, it was Cannabis World that christened it 'ABC' and they gave seeds to Exe who worked with it. Fet was furious that someone with real breeding skills had hold of the genes. Few years ago a guy called 'Mongyman' appeared online and he had a very convincing story of obtaining 'Mongy' from an old couple and had many pics of it, he claimed to be the one who gave the 'ABC' seed to Emery and in the area it came from it had always been called 'Mongy'.

Did not it how do you know did you smoke it i read articles about it and it sed clear as day it was not going to get you high.

Unfortunately, the ABC does not provide a potent smoke, and although hash screened from the buds does give a decent buzz, it is higher in less pleasant cannabinoids than THC, like CBD and CBN.

just one article on the ABC http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/1651.html


Most say its complete shit.

Fet ordered some chemicals to make STS from Heaven's Stairway and was pissed off to discover that HS just passed his details on to the guy who supplied the chemicals - ExE. Fet went on a big tirade about how this guy had gotten his personal details and he had to shut down etc. I pointed out that he was an idiot for ordering anything to the same address his grow was at. We're better off without Fet imho, guy was an arsehole.

Fet had history with ex more than i am willing to post its got nothing to do with me and in all honesty you don't know shit about fet or ex or there history best left were it fell.

Finally, someone else who will openly say online that Neville's 'Haze direct from 1969' was just something from Australia, probably Mullumbimby Madness, not saying it isn't/wasn't good, but it's not Haze, it's a Thai/Colombian hybrid of some sort. Zamalito was sure Nev's Haze wasn't Haze years ago, but where could one find real Haze to compare?

You are kidding your self mate don't you think its time you show what side of the fence you stand on your theory's are just that you rubbish Neville any chance you can and give credit to sam and lets be honest here were you there no.

Mullumbimby Madness i have smoked i had friends from school living up there fro 1979 i know a bit about it at the same time i first heard of Mullumbimby Madness haze was also around haze as we called it was called tripping weed it was very different to the MM but you knew this right ?.

MM was sold the flowers were like a well grown out door sativa some of it was also purple now tripping weed looked like oily leaf a coin bag of it with say 2 grams was selling for the same price of a zip bag almost full of pan red or good out door sativa flowers even Thia sticks were larger and you got a lot more for the same money.

This is what i see that is Americans trying there very best to rubbish a guy called Neville well get over it your fucken looking pathetic he did a lot and instead of trying to drive the guy into the ground any chance you get or his accomplishments time to move forwed and do something constructive.

The guy is the king of cannabis and always will be he did a lot and never asked for thanks but didn't expect to be ass fucked by no body's ether.

 

[englishrick]

whats so funny about stability after 1 gen?,,,,,im deadly serious,,,its not funny business,,,stability in 1 gen is class!!!

 

[Tom Hill]

"1/ I know shanti on a personal level i have asked him and spoken to him about the haze they use tom i know when Neville collected the pure haze seed and i also know from were and from the person or persons he collected it from reality is tom Neville's work speak volumes most used his work to create there own lines and seed banks.

hiya tom first off i am not full of shit in fact i am 100% honest and truthful so much so it gets me into shit often."

>>Hempy, I know, and you also know when to steer way the hell clear of point #2 don't ya good buddy? Is Doubling haploids ok but all female selection programs are the end of cannabis as we know it?

Yeah, I know you know about the Haze, I know Shanti knows, and I damn sure know that Neville knows too - that's not Haze Bros Haze. I am not an idiot, even if the line I have is contaminated as some (you for example) claim -and I wouldn't know because they are so full of shit over there- there is just no way that I would never see recombination gens throwing out something similar to Nev's version if they were even remotely related.

It doesn't take a Cambridge scholar to smell BS when the boss starts freely interchanging the word Sativa for Haze etc and changing the subject from peds to quality of smoke being all that matters etc (correct, but off topic). We learn to sniff that crap out on the streets of Inglewood in the states - it was a nice try though, all too typical as well. Good smoke though, so what is it? lol. -T

 

[englishrick]

Shanti seems like a real nice guy but hes not a world class breeder,,,,he tries an i give him credit for it,,,,his greenhouses could do amazing things, but tom,,,i think your askin shanti to punch above his weight..

no offence, but what planet did you come from bro,,,planet pot?

you know i love you all

Four crosses were made between inbred Cannabis sativa plants with pure cannabidiol (CBD) and pure
-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) chemotypes. All the plants belonging to the F1’s were analyzed by gas chromatography for cannabinoid composition and constantly found to have amixed CBD-THC chemotype.

 

[Tom Hill]

Maybe not today Rick, but the truth will come out one day.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

I usually get my seeds from my freezer - only American seeds for this patriot by Gawd!

Gawd Bless John Wayne!

CC

They took our jobs!

///EDIT// I am drunk and do not have a much needed breathalizer on my keyboard

 

[DocLeaf]

Tom : American seedlines are NOT common in Europe like US clone are. That was my main point. My buddies are on your Haze line now,, so hopefully we will help prop your movement with photos in future

We are gonna ask for the 'mentor' tag to be dropped,, we never asked for it,, and all it does is gives haters a base to feed on Your welcome to it,, the crown will crush your heads.

Yes. Not because American Scientists are individually more sophisticated, but the US gov't has traditionally, after WW2, spent more money and patronized scientific research to a larger extent than other equally as wealthy nations. This has given our businesses an international edge, created a high paying job market for well educated scientists and then a (higher) education system that supports this cycle.

The Scientists you mention after WW2 were nazis... those that introduced new systems of restriction, regulation, and dependency over people and plants, like Monsanto.

There's good and bad in everything... apologies if we offended anyone.

Note: we use the term 'we' and 'i n i' for legal reasons,, try not to let it worry your heads

 

[resin_lung]

I miss those days when Fet and Exe would do battle! Those Indeed were the days! Still diggin his "American Bastard Cannabis"! lol

 

[Dalaihempy]

"1/ I know shanti on a personal level i have asked him and spoken to him about the haze they use tom i know when Neville collected the pure haze seed and i also know from were and from the person or persons he collected it from reality is tom Neville's work speak volumes most used his work to create there own lines and seed banks.

hiya tom first off i am not full of shit in fact i am 100% honest and truthful so much so it gets me into shit often."

>>Hempy, I know, and you also know when to steer way the hell clear of point #2 don't ya good buddy? Is Doubling haploids ok but all female selection programs are the end of cannabis as we know it?

2) You, like this other schmuck, wanna pound on female selections as unnatural, yet I just saw the guy you're all up in with getting a semi for a new doubled haploid tech?, lol. Anyways, when it all shakes out and the truth be told I dig you Hempy, as much as I disagree, you got salt mate. -T

Tom i honestly did not understand this part of your post so did not bother and never answered it as it made no sense to me.

And as for female seeds i posted my opinions no matter how hard any one trys to twist it there turning a female plant into a male then pollinating a female clone of its self it is selfing no matter how hard or what science people try to use to make it sound positive.

2)Yeah, I know you know about the Haze, I know Shanti knows, and I damn sure know that Neville knows too - that's not Haze Bros Haze. I am not an idiot, even if the line I have is contaminated as some (you for example) claim -and I wouldn't know because they are so full of shit over there- there is just no way that I would never see recombination gens throwing out something similar to Nev's version if they were even remotely related.

It doesn't take a Cambridge scholar to smell BS when the boss starts freely interchanging the word Sativa for Haze etc and changing the subject from peds to quality of smoke being all that matters etc (correct, but off topic). We learn to sniff that crap out on the streets of Inglewood in the states - it was a nice try though, all too typical as well. Good smoke though, so what is it? lol. -T

Tom how do you know Shanti or Neville bissnes have you spoken to ether of them about this topic or any other strain related topic they work no so how the hell can you say its bull shit.

Have you grown any of the haze offered by Neville or what Mr nice offer tom i have i have grown many and even grown haze line not ever released lets take 2 haze hybrids tom the Mango haze 50% haze most went over 16 weeks and a a few went 17/18 weeks and could of gone longer from seed plant clones much faster.

Neville's haze 3/4 or 75% haze not one showed sex before week 6 in fact a few even at week 11 of flower did not show sex the ones that did still took 18 weeks ruffly to mature some over 20 weeks how long does your haze take to flower from seed tom ? less right why i sed i thort it was not pure.


Also tom the haze Neville got is different to the haze Sam used go grow a haze from TFD then go grow Neville haze.

Any way why the hostilities man towards Neville and Shanti like they care the proof is in the product the smoke tom i have yet to see Neville post or ever say a bad ward towards any one i have not met him but friends did wen he ran the seed bank mates told me of this nice Aussie guy that was helpful and relaxed went out of his way to help my mates shanti has the best customer service bar non i have yet to see shanti rubbish any one even arjan even after all the bull shit he has slung and lies that keep coming all he does is focus on his own things and lets his lines do the talking.

The only people i see slinging shit and talking ball shit are those not part of the mr nice camp.

If people spent as much energy on trying to free this plant as they do trying to rubbish Neville we would have coffe shops were we could smoke in every city of this world.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Shanti seems like a real nice guy but hes not a world class breeder,,,,he tries an i give him credit for it,,,,his greenhouses could do amazing things, but tom,,,i think your askin shanti to punch above his weight..

no offence, but what planet did you come from bro,,,planet pot?

you know i love you all

rick do you realize shanti sees him self as a grower nothing more no better or worse than you or i or any one take a leaf from his page it will only serve you for the best my friend.

The lines he has created and worked on speak volumes and have for years.

 

[CrOs420]

and if so why?

try and keep it polite please

VG.

Well i would say yes, after 7 years in holland and 10 years online i've noticed some negetivity along the lines against the dutch in the growing sector , I've only been growing 5 yrs and i've only grown 3 strains from USA and many other dutch breed strains and there both just as good imho.

Personaly i think the dutch american canadian breeders are all as good as each other it's all about genetics and has nothing todo with online Hype.The dutch have a big name on the scene and have a quality to replic the enviroment indoor and the Yanks and Canuks have the expereince of doing it a lot longer.


puffpuffpass

 

[DocLeaf]

We'd agree,, shantibaba is on top of his game,, as a breeder that works in % from his own base of genetic stock... that has won so many awards he doesn't even bother entering the cups any more...

 

[gigante]

"...are American Scientist`s the best in the world,,,,,?"

Yes. Not because American Scientists are individually more sophisticated, but the US gov't has traditionally, after WW2, spent more money and patronized scientific research to a larger extent than other equally as wealthy nations. This has given our businesses an international edge, created a high paying job market for well educated scientists and then a (higher) education system that supports this cycle. In fact, I have several friends that have their Doctorates from German universities that are relocating here for Job ops. Doc Leaf is NOT one of them lol.

So we have done some things right. However, imo, it's the top 10% rule for the US. The top 10% in America, can be the best in the world, bar none.

If that sounds Elitist, it fucken is...So deal with it bitches lol

But you've drawn me in and I'm responding again...Bring it! LOL

By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.

interesting point of view...but a very american one...have you ever been anywhere else in the world than u.s.?

 

[englishrick]

shanti is very cool,,,,an i do like his style,,,,,,,hes amazing in comparrison to 99.9% of canna breeders,,,,but im searching for a higher level,,,,im looking for crop improvement, an harcore science

 

[elmanito]

shanti is very cool,,,,an i do like his style,,,,,,,hes amazing in comparrison to 99.9% of canna breeders,,,,but im searching for a higher level,,,,im looking for crop improvement, an harcore science

Explain yourself!!

Namaste

 

[Dorje113]

blinkisback i believe that pureknowledge probably doesnt want a no govt but a limited govt that the original consitution and bill of rights; which sadly has been subverted and seems most people really dont understand everything spelled out in it, provides and was ment to secure.

he and many others would move to country that didnt have a central bank and whos currency was backed by something with intrinsic value.

Ron Paul knows whats up and he could save america. hes for civil liberties and personal responsablity, meaning he would legalize all drugs and prostitution and citizens would be responsable for the decisions they make.

hes for non interventious foreign policy, meaning no bullying other countries or making allies, just protect our own borders and citizens

the biggest one, hes for auditing the federal reserve and a reform our monetary policy, meaning no more inflation!!!!

p.s. afganistan and iraq are about putting more people under control of a central bank. oil and opium trades are an added plus

Yup. Afghanistan for the Heroin, Middle East for the Oil...

 

[indifferent]

Aw great, hempy is on his soapbox again. Come on mate, you're like a broken record defending Neville all the time. Regardless of any work he did, you can't deny Nev was full of shit, he was notorious in Amsterdam for making up tales. The Haze story he came up with was BS, as was the G13 story and the NL5 'clone-only' story, lies, lies, lies, it obscures the reality of his work and makes it difficult to judge how much credit to really give him.

Stick to your 'thias' mate and your stupid claims to have invented the bucket with a hole in it.

 

[Dorje113]

The Dutch hybrids were all great until the 1998 law change made em move indoors and underground, breeding and selecting indoors under HPS is not the way to do things, you need to work outdoors, and from the early 80 to 98, that is what they did.

Since 98, a large part of the decline has been down to the Dutch police - they are too good at busting grows, so countless mother plants and breeding males were lost, meaning they had to start again from seed, and they can't grow large numbers for selection like they used to do as it's all done in small indoor rooms. This is why the lines like Kali Mist have changed and aren't what they once were. Contrast that with the MrNice strains, Shanti left Holland right after the 98 law change and carried on maintaining his hybrids the correct way - under glass with large populations.

Also, selecting under HPS means the plants that perform best are not the ones that put most energy into producing psychoactive components, it's the ones that put most energy into growing, and the Dutch have selected for vigour, size, yield, finish time, all to the detriment of quality. Look at Cali Orange, it was great back in the 90s, a very potent Afghani that reeked of oranges, today it's bunk, low potency, low taste, generic skunky crap.

Thanks for that...

I had Cali Orange in '95.... Holy $hit, I wish I still had some of those genetics.