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I think its more about overall nitrogen in uptake form available for the plant. Carbon is valuable more in terms of the breakdown of organic materials. But there is something to be said about carbon, people use molasses for this purpose. Plant roots excrete sugars to feed the microorganisms.
Mudballs2.0
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Well in the form of spirited convo, im not sure where objectivity ends and subjectivity begins with nuanced topics such as these. Ratios are EVERYTHING to these plants and if i cant support a stance with some good peer reviewed articles i usually abandon the dialogue. Idk how to keep this academic and on course.
You could talk to a soils/ agronomy expert or check out . I have been through some soil courses, but the more you know, the more you realize you don't know.
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Consequently, a ratio of 20 means that there are 20 g of carbon for each 1 g of nitrogen in that organic matter. When an organic substrate has a C:N ratio between 1 and 15, rapid mineralization and release of N occurs, which is available for plant uptake
Ok, so what's an average C:N ratio we work with?
Soils with a carbon-to-nitrogen (C:N) ratio of 24:1 have the optimum ratio for soil microbes to stimulate release of nutrients like N, phosphorous and zinc to crops. This ratio influences the amount of soil-protecting residue cover that remains on the soil.
What is the ideal carbon to nitrogen ratio?
around 30:1
The ideal C/N ratio for composting is generally considered to be around 30:1, or 30 parts carbon for each part nitrogen by weight. Why 30:1?
That's for "composting" but staying on topic, microbiome activity feeds plant yes? Max microbiome activity desired? Most of the time yes, which leads me to say these plants like a higher C:N media/soil...ill just say soil. I dont think store soil is cranking the high digit C:N of custom local input and forest litter diy soil is kicking.
Ok, so what's an average C:N ratio we work with?
Soils with a carbon-to-nitrogen (C:N) ratio of 24:1 have the optimum ratio for soil microbes to stimulate release of nutrients like N, phosphorous and zinc to crops. This ratio influences the amount of soil-protecting residue cover that remains on the soil.
What is the ideal carbon to nitrogen ratio?
around 30:1
The ideal C/N ratio for composting is generally considered to be around 30:1, or 30 parts carbon for each part nitrogen by weight. Why 30:1?
That's for "composting" but staying on topic, microbiome activity feeds plant yes? Max microbiome activity desired? Most of the time yes, which leads me to say these plants like a higher C:N media/soil...ill just say soil. I dont think store soil is cranking the high digit C:N of custom local input and forest litter diy soil is kicking.
Good morning! Exactly, there is an optimum C:N. Get that from Purdue Agronomy? Purdue has hemp specific agronomic recommendations now too! 
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Mudballs2.0
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No i just googled up a short synopsis. Im actually burnt out from all the techy side of growing and im leaning on a colleagues' shoulder as i say that more than a general complaint.Good morning! Exactly, there is an optimum C:N. Get that from Purdue Agronomy? Purdue has hemp specific agronomic recommendations now too!
The Hemp Project
What is Hemp? The Purdue Hemp Team is composed of faculty, Extension educators, and farm professionals that provide research-based information to produce hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) in the 21st century. Our goal is to share resources and information with current and prospective hemp growers. We...ag.purdue.edu
our mission
This website provides information to support 21st century hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) cultivation in the Midwest. All crops have issues with respect to production; however, with a crop like hemp, which was banned in the United States for over eighty years, large information gaps have developed regarding production, pest management and economic impact. Unlike other agronomic crops, U.S. hemp production faces additional obstacles in the form of U.S. government policies.
The goal of this website is to inform the public about industrial hemp as a crop and to identify the challenges faced by modern industrial hemp producers in the North Central Region—from the legal production of the crop to the pest management that will be necessary to produce long-term sustainable yields of hemp. We have tried to use our present experience growing hemp and years of additional experience with other cropping systems to inform our production practices. What we have learned sometimes conflicts with “conventional wisdom”. We hope this website continues to improve on what we know and provides a sound foundation for those interested in growing industrial hemp.
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Are you Purdue facultyThats what winter is for. Time to relax. God's got it taken care of.
No, but I graduated from Purdue with a Bachelor's degree in Horticultural Procution and Marketing. I worked as a student for Department of Plant Pathology and Department of Enomology. Wish I would have got in on helping with the hemp project! I guess I did my own private research out in the field you could say.
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Sound very nice, I have loved Jamaican genetics, i have great experience with Jamaican dream of eva seeds. And the effect of your description its exactly what I find for weed smoke (for hash i prefer narcotic couch lock indica or psychedelic sativa)
Today i have make little dry sift, mix of killer kush Himalayan gold, and a little super skunk and psychodelicia. It's very soft when you take it, very sticky. Smell very sour with sweet candy fragrance. It's veeeeery high, i go to conserve it for a best flavor and effect.
I don't go for the hash very often but if it looked like that I think I would. Pressing dry sift, looks like a good product! Sounds like the resin terpenes and flavors are preserved. Must have cured properly. If you let it dry down too much or too quickly, it probably wouldn't have been as good.
The loud resin indica has turned out to be what I thought it was. Even though I dried it down too much, it still has great taste and potent resin profile. It was so loud as a plant but now it is super quiet smell because I dried it incorrectly. Will have it out in the garden again next year, but will be sure not to dry too much. It would be a good one for making a round of hash!
Sorry for the blurry pic, need to check the settings on my camera.
The loud resin indica has turned out to be what I thought it was. Even though I dried it down too much, it still has great taste and potent resin profile. It was so loud as a plant but now it is super quiet smell because I dried it incorrectly. Will have it out in the garden again next year, but will be sure not to dry too much. It would be a good one for making a round of hash!
Sorry for the blurry pic, need to check the settings on my camera.
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Posted this up in my thread, thought it would be good discussion here in case you guys missed it.
Tom Hill said in his interviews on The Potcast he uses composted chicken manure and bone meal initially which can last about 3 months, then he feeds with fish and other various liquid organic ferilizers.
They cut the recommended rate back on the dry Composted Chicken manure I use, so its 25 lb per 1000 sq ft instead of 650 sq ft. I am thinking of just using this and bone meal as the main amendments, and once the plants are established in June, carefully spread another 25lb per 1000 sq ft rate of chicken manure like I did this year. Then early July apply a couple inches of compost as mulch and see how they do.
There are 21 Deep Chunk seeds in the pack, so it will be a pretty good preservation for the line!
Will also have around 20-30 females of my Deep Chunk hybrid cultivar from last year, so we will see if we can improve the line a little bit. Been trying to bring it back more indica. The Chunky Mix from last year had a good mix of sativa quality in some of them, so hopefully will end up with some great medicine with those "sativa candy spice" phenotypes start leaning toward Deep Chunk. The profile and potency will be just right I think.
Tom Hill said in his interviews on The Potcast he uses composted chicken manure and bone meal initially which can last about 3 months, then he feeds with fish and other various liquid organic ferilizers.
They cut the recommended rate back on the dry Composted Chicken manure I use, so its 25 lb per 1000 sq ft instead of 650 sq ft. I am thinking of just using this and bone meal as the main amendments, and once the plants are established in June, carefully spread another 25lb per 1000 sq ft rate of chicken manure like I did this year. Then early July apply a couple inches of compost as mulch and see how they do.
There are 21 Deep Chunk seeds in the pack, so it will be a pretty good preservation for the line!
Will also have around 20-30 females of my Deep Chunk hybrid cultivar from last year, so we will see if we can improve the line a little bit. Been trying to bring it back more indica. The Chunky Mix from last year had a good mix of sativa quality in some of them, so hopefully will end up with some great medicine with those "sativa candy spice" phenotypes start leaning toward Deep Chunk. The profile and potency will be just right I think.
So google found that its about 15:1 or 30:1. Kind of a range there. That means it can use a lot of browns in decomposition of the greens to mineralize the nitrogen and make it available to plants.
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Man you are burnt out on the techy stuff. The lower the Carbon to Nitrogen ratio the more fertilizer that is released.
"Consequently, a ratio of 20 means that there are 20 g of carbon for each 1 g of nitrogen in that organic matter. When an organic substrate has a C:N ratio between 1 and 15, rapid mineralization and release of N occurs, which is available for plant uptake"
"Consequently, a ratio of 20 means that there are 20 g of carbon for each 1 g of nitrogen in that organic matter. When an organic substrate has a C:N ratio between 1 and 15, rapid mineralization and release of N occurs, which is available for plant uptake"
Mudballs2.0
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That's where lockouts happen and nitro toxicity sets in easier, faster. Isnt it? On paper, we dont want a low C:N...we want lots of carbon to support all the new growth about to happen from newly released mineralized ionic nutes. That the plant will vacuum up, if not enough carbon, then the owner comes here and starts a thread about how his 6week old plant looks sick and he dont know why and...
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Mudballs2.0
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Soils with a carbon-to-nitrogen (C:N) ratio of 24:1 have the optimum ratio for soil microbes to stimulate release of nutrients like N, phosphorous and zinc to crops.
that's soil baseline...we dont go below 24:1
that's soil baseline...we dont go below 24:1
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...and yes im frazzled lol...
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Posted this up in my thread, thought it would be good discussion here in case you guys missed it.
Tom Hill said in his interviews on The Potcast he uses composted chicken manure and bone meal initially which can last about 3 months, then he feeds with fish and other various liquid organic ferilizers.
They cut the recommended rate back on the dry Composted Chicken manure I use, so its 25 lb per 1000 sq ft instead of 650 sq ft. I am thinking of just using this and bone meal as the main amendments, and once the plants are established in June, carefully spread another 25lb per 1000 sq ft rate of chicken manure like I did this year. Then early July apply a couple inches of compost as mulch and see how they do.
There are 21 Deep Chunk seeds in the pack, so it will be a pretty good preservation for the line!
Will also have around 20-30 females of my Deep Chunk hybrid cultivar from last year, so we will see if we can improve the line a little bit. Been trying to bring it back more indica. The Chunky Mix from last year had a good mix of sativa quality in some of them, so hopefully will end up with some great medicine with those "sativa candy spice" phenotypes start leaning toward Deep Chunk. The profile and potency will be just right I think.
Posted this up in my thread, thought it would be good discussion here in case you guys missed it.
Tom Hill said in his interviews on The Potcast he uses composted chicken manure and bone meal initially which can last about 3 months, then he feeds with fish and other various liquid organic ferilizers.
They cut the recommended rate back on the dry Composted Chicken manure I use, so its 25 lb per 1000 sq ft instead of 650 sq ft. I am thinking of just using this and bone meal as the main amendments, and once the plants are established in June, carefully spread another 25lb per 1000 sq ft rate of chicken manure like I did this year. Then early July apply a couple inches of compost as mulch and see how they do.
There are 21 Deep Chunk seeds in the pack, so it will be a pretty good preservation for the line!
Will also have around 20-30 females of my Deep Chunk hybrid cultivar from last year, so we will see if we can improve the line a little bit. Been trying to bring it back more indica. The Chunky Mix from last year had a good mix of sativa quality in some of them, so hopefully will end up with some great medicine with those "sativa candy spice" phenotypes start leaning toward Deep Chunk. The profile and potency will be just right I think.
Your plants all have a distinctive Afghani look , so that's what they are , Pipeline chunky hybrid. I'm not sure if by you but if I use bone meal or fish fertilizers something always digs everything up , I'm thinking coons but I'm not surePosted this up in my thread, thought it would be good discussion here in case you guys missed it.
Tom Hill said in his interviews on The Potcast he uses composted chicken manure and bone meal initially which can last about 3 months, then he feeds with fish and other various liquid organic ferilizers.
They cut the recommended rate back on the dry Composted Chicken manure I use, so its 25 lb per 1000 sq ft instead of 650 sq ft. I am thinking of just using this and bone meal as the main amendments, and once the plants are established in June, carefully spread another 25lb per 1000 sq ft rate of chicken manure like I did this year. Then early July apply a couple inches of compost as mulch and see how they do.
There are 21 Deep Chunk seeds in the pack, so it will be a pretty good preservation for the line!
Will also have around 20-30 females of my Deep Chunk hybrid cultivar from last year, so we will see if we can improve the line a little bit. Been trying to bring it back more indica. The Chunky Mix from last year had a good mix of sativa quality in some of them, so hopefully will end up with some great medicine with those "sativa candy spice" phenotypes start leaning toward Deep Chunk. The profile and potency will be just right I think.
