any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Lyfespan]

i wasn't able to find your instagram Lyfespan, definitely would love to check it out.



i hear you, that’s what i usually do



i used to keep night and day temp the same when i was concerned about heigh control. i have to try it the way you do it Rondon. its a good trick to have available when you need it. GG#4 is stretching a lot, so as ogs.



I am sure you don’t need any PK booster if you have dialed in fertigation program. your part b is a pk booster if you like. i found that some plants response very well to PK spike at the right time. it doesn’t have to be fancy 50LB of MKP- $16 and it doesn’t have to be often. when i’ve started growing with canna coco, i really liked their simple program. one run i didn’t used PK 13/14 and it wasn’t end of the world, but my yield was lower.


since you are all dialed in with your strains and V+B. i have a question, does anyone of your send your feeding solution to the lab for analysts? i have a feeling that V+B DOS that i am trying right now at 60%/40% is somewhat different from regular V+B RO. when i’ve asked Cris he said it is different product and didn’t answer to me directly.

here what i’ve ran based on advice from hydroponic research ratios for A is 60% or 2.88 g/Gallon, for B is 40% 1.92 g/Gallon. i’ve added 0.7 g/Gallon of MgSO4 since i saw magnesium deficiency and Mg at around 30 ppm looked quite low.

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to me it looked good: low P - less stretch, low K is good since there is plenty of it in coco, high Ca, 6 ppm of Silicate. not high numbers at all if you ask me for high light intensity room with CO2. that's what i've fed first 2 weeks after flip.

after that, based on advice from Hydroponic Research. Week 3 i've started to add 0.5 g/gallon of Shine and progressively increasing it up to 2 g/Gallon by week 5.

do you guys think that locking up budset is more of Original Glue problem or is it more nutrient specific?

i have some Alien and Tahoe ogs growing next to GG#4 and alien is looking stacked, but Tahoe is fox tailing.

mantisfarms

 

[plumbum]

mantisfarms

thank you Lyfespan, you got a lot going on!

 

[Mudraya]

Just for clarity, would anyone mind posting their latest feeding chart? There's lots of bits and pieces from each person but never a complete picture it seems.

Dansbuds suggested no more than 1.4, does anyone know if that would apply to rockwool as well?

Love this thread and the helpful folks here, been reading it casually for a few weeks, still not done but skipped ahead a little

 

[Ez Rider]

Just for clarity, would anyone mind posting their latest feeding chart? There's lots of bits and pieces from each person but never a complete picture it seems.

Dansbuds suggested no more than 1.4, does anyone know if that would apply to rockwool as well?

Love this thread and the helpful folks here, been reading it casually for a few weeks, still not done but skipped ahead a little

With blumats, in coco, I run 1.2-1.3 veg, and 1.0-1.2 flower. 0.4-0.5 for clones/seeds, that's it.

 

[stoned40yrs]

With blumats, in coco, I run 1.2-1.3 veg, and 1.0-1.2 flower. 0.4-0.5 for clones/seeds, that's it.

Nice! I ran 13 different strains at the same time last run, I usually am trying lots of strains same time. I noticed the Nigerian X Banana OG showing classic overfeeding signs. All plants feed from the same res so it is what it is. I should have lowered the ec down to 1.0-1.1 like you do.

 

[Ez Rider]

Nice! I ran 13 different strains at the same time last run, I usually am trying lots of strains same time. I noticed the Nigerian X Banana OG showing classic overfeeding signs. All plants feed from the same res so it is what it is. I should have lowered the ec down to 1.0-1.1 like you do.

It took me a long time to believe that less is more. I used to feed at much higher levels. Most nute companies want you too use as much product as the plant can possibly handle in order to sell product. I've come to believe that using as little fertilizer as possible to produce tight, frosty nugs is the real goal. A 5lb bag makes LOTS of feed if you never go above 1.2

 

[Mudraya]

It took me a long time to believe that less is more. I used to feed at much higher levels. Most nute companies want you too use as much product as the plant can possibly handle in order to sell product. I've come to believe that using as little fertilizer as possible to produce tight, frosty nugs is the real goal. A 5lb bag makes LOTS of feed if you never go above 1.2

I'm just recently realizing that after 16+ yrs at this. The strategy used to be feed them until the slightest tip burn then back off. Then flush the crap out of them at finish. There were times when the res would spike to 1400/2.8 ughhh.

 

[Aspenou812]

Less is more... Don't bump the feeds till the plants yellow... Lol bump up in ec just keeping them happy.

 

[stoned40yrs]

I'm just recently realizing that after 16+ yrs at this. The strategy used to be feed them until the slightest tip burn then back off. Then flush the crap out of them at finish. There were times when the res would spike to 1400/2.8 ughhh.

I used to flush the hell out of them also. Then I read some post on here(can't find it again) that said flushing isn't the right way, it strips the coco of things the plant still needs at the end. It's used by people who feed too much ferts to their plants in the hope it will make the buds taste better. So i tried what he said for low ec feeders, 10 days before finish just feed them straight phed water. No flush no overflow. Best tasting buds ever, gray ash.

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[Rondon]

I used to flush the hell out of them also. Then I read some post on here(can't find it again) that said flushing isn't the right way, it strips the coco of things the plant still needs at the end. It's used by people who feed too much ferts to their plants in the hope it will make the buds taste better. So i tried what he said for low ec feeders, 10 days before finish just feed them straight phed water. No flush no overflow. Best tasting buds ever, gray ash.
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Nice little pile of nuggetry right there. What strain is that? Very pretty. Nice job.

 

[dansbuds]

It took me a long time to believe that less is more. I used to feed at much higher levels. Most nute companies want you too use as much product as the plant can possibly handle in order to sell product. I've come to believe that using as little fertilizer as possible to produce tight, frosty nugs is the real goal. A 5lb bag makes LOTS of feed if you never go above 1.2

that is exactly right !!!!! feed low in flower & just switch to plain water feeds at the end ! no need to flush unless you've over dosed your plants .

its only been this last year or so that i've been feeding higher in veg than flower to keep the girls happy in veg . before that i was constantly having defs in veg ...... thought it was the nutes lacking something & tried a shit load of different additives ..... but once i started feeding higher (1.4 to 1.6 ) in veg .... all the defs has stopped & the plants are loving life in veg now .
i also keep the feeds that high during the stretch faze of flower , but once budset starts .... i drop to 1.2 ..... some even as low as 1.0

 

[beta]

I used to flush the hell out of them also. Then I read some post on here(can't find it again) that said flushing isn't the right way, it strips the coco of things the plant still needs at the end. It's used by people who feed too much ferts to their plants in the hope it will make the buds taste better. So i tried what he said for low ec feeders, 10 days before finish just feed them straight phed water. No flush no overflow. Best tasting buds ever, gray ash.

I call that flushing. I'm not doing it to 'flush' the nutrients out of the plant, I'm doing it because the plant has all the nutrients it needs for the final 10 days and it'd be a waste to give it more.

 

[dansbuds]

flushing is pouring more water than volume of medium through the pots to "flush" out any salts build up

leaching is feeding plain water to the pots at the same amount you did with nutrients

 

[Drumskinz]

that is exactly right !!!!! feed low in flower & just switch to plain water feeds at the end ! no need to flush unless you've over dosed your plants .

its only been this last year or so that i've been feeding higher in veg than flower to keep the girls happy in veg . before that i was constantly having defs in veg ...... thought it was the nutes lacking something & tried a shit load of different additives ..... but once i started feeding higher (1.4 to 1.6 ) in veg .... all the defs has stopped & the plants are loving life in veg now .
i also keep the feeds that high during the stretch faze of flower , but once budset starts .... i drop to 1.2 ..... some even as low as 1.0


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I’m in my 4th week of flower and just refilled my rez’s to the tune of 6.0 ph and 1.2ec. with v&b hard.I ran into a problem over the holidays with family being here for 10 days and my plants got neglected. They are not doing bad now frosting up nice but I had to take the scrog down because only a few plants were tall enough. So I’ll just use stakes and clips to keep them happy. Btw Dan’s I finally got my auto watering together for two runs of 18 plants. I got 36 1/4” shutoff valves, one on each plant and they are finally all getting watered. What a pita!!! Now it’s just a fine tune to get them all flowing equally. Then with the timers I will be well on my way. Thanks for all your help with tuning this shit in, I really appreciate that. I’m still scared about taking pictures because I’m embarrassed about the way they look but I’ll get there before harvest. I’ll probably need help on how to post them properly. If you know of a tutorial I can gaze at it might help otherwise it’s T and E.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Nice little pile of nuggetry right there. What strain is that? Very pretty. Nice job.

one time drop by gage green genetics in 2011. Called Candy Drop- Candy Kush (Hoop pheno) X Chemdawg OG.

 

[stoned40yrs]

I call that flushing. I'm not doing it to 'flush' the nutrients out of the plant, I'm doing it because the plant has all the nutrients it needs for the final 10 days and it'd be a waste to give it more.

Whatever ya want to call it. All I know is I don't run so much water through the coco that it goes into the tray. No upsetting the cocos cation balance. We work so hard to keep this balance during the grow and then all of a sudden it makes sense to ruin the balance? That's not the way it works. I gotta say I know nothing except feeding V+B thru blumats except I try for a low ec and leaching at the end. I know nothing about multiple feeds, CO2 etc. I also don't use V+B in veg as cheapass Maxigrow works fine for me until the flip. Goodluck anywho

 

[dansbuds]

Whatever ya want to call it. All I know is I don't run so much water through the coco that it goes into the tray. No upsetting the cocos cation balance. We work so hard to keep this balance during the grow and then all of a sudden it makes sense to ruin the balance? That's not the way it works. I gotta say I know nothing except feeding V+B thru blumats except I try for a low ec and leaching at the end. I know nothing about multiple feeds, CO2 etc. I also don't use V+B in veg as cheapass Maxigrow works fine for me until the flip. Goodluck anywho

I tried it for awhile ..... didn't see much difference than the V&B . still have 3/4s of a bag of it here .

 

[dansbuds]

I’m in my 4th week of flower and just refilled my rez’s to the tune of 6.0 ph and 1.2ec. with v&b hard.I ran into a problem over the holidays with family being here for 10 days and my plants got neglected. They are not doing bad now frosting up nice but I had to take the scrog down because only a few plants were tall enough. So I’ll just use stakes and clips to keep them happy. Btw Dan’s I finally got my auto watering together for two runs of 18 plants. I got 36 1/4” shutoff valves, one on each plant and they are finally all getting watered. What a pita!!! Now it’s just a fine tune to get them all flowing equally. Then with the timers I will be well on my way. Thanks for all your help with tuning this shit in, I really appreciate that. I’m still scared about taking pictures because I’m embarrassed about the way they look but I’ll get there before harvest. I’ll probably need help on how to post them properly. If you know of a tutorial I can gaze at it might help otherwise it’s T and E.

you can create an album here & download them from any program on your computer . i use the windows program to collect & download my pics into here .

 

[Grizz]

that is exactly right !!!!! feed low in flower & just switch to plain water feeds at the end ! no need to flush unless you've over dosed your plants .

its only been this last year or so that i've been feeding higher in veg than flower to keep the girls happy in veg . before that i was constantly having defs in veg ...... thought it was the nutes lacking something & tried a shit load of different additives ..... but once i started feeding higher (1.4 to 1.6 ) in veg .... all the defs has stopped & the plants are loving life in veg now .
i also keep the feeds that high during the stretch faze of flower , but once budset starts .... i drop to 1.2 ..... some even as low as 1.0


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that's the secret its took me so long to learn, just higher ec's the first 2 weeks of flower, they stack so much better .. but whatever you do don't go over those 2 weeks or it will lock them out big time, this talk of flush or leach , its the same thing as long as your not running gallon after gallon through your pots, I've always called it flushing but all I do is water normally with water, no nutes

 

[Drumskinz]

you can create an album here & download them from any program on your computer . i use the windows program to collect & download my pics into here .

Sounds easy enough...I’ll keep that in mind when I get there...Thanks man