any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[saitama]

I just made up my rez at 350ppm tap&VB only, It did require a good amount of ph down to put me at 6. I flooded this time, I'm wondering if I should of just flushed from the top until I get my levels down? After I flooded, it was the same ppm as what I started with. Think my next watering I will just run through the top and then I can check out the run off.

I think the purpose of flushing is to drain to waste. If you had any salt built up in your media, it would have gone back into your reservoir. You say that the PPM coming out is the same as going in, so perhaps there was no build up. You never know what exactly that 350ppm is made up of now. It could be deficient in one mineral and excess of another.

It may not be necessary, but if it were me, I would do the following:
-mix fresh reservoir of 350ppm tap/v+b
-toss old res because now it has who knows what from the ebb/flow
-flush from top and drain to waste until you see 350ppm
-continue ebb/flow with remains of res

This will put you back at zero completely without worrying about what was in the media before.

 

[PriznnPlanet]

I think the purpose of flushing is to drain to waste. If you had any salt built up in your media, it would have gone back into your reservoir. You say that the PPM coming out is the same as going in, so perhaps there was no build up. You never know what exactly that 350ppm is made up of now. It could be deficient in one mineral and excess of another.

It may not be necessary, but if it were me, I would do the following:
-mix fresh reservoir of 350ppm tap/v+b
-toss old res because now it has who knows what from the ebb/flow
-flush from top and drain to waste until you see 350ppm
-continue ebb/flow with remains of res

This will put you back at zero completely without worrying about what was in the media before.

I ran it through the top for today's feed and it was coming out 400 and 6.1, hopefully this will help. For my first run in like 3 years I should of just ran my normal style. See if I can get these to recover if not I'll get a couple new ones and do my wool. I know F&D with coco works vader og on youtube is crushing it.

 

[Aspenou812]

Testing the runoff in Coco is about useless..... A low dose flush is all you normally need. If testing Coco use a slury test..... Other wise you're wasting your time

 

[saitama]

Testing the runoff in Coco is about useless..... A low dose flush is all you normally need. If testing Coco use a slury test..... Other wise you're wasting your time

Hi Aspen. Been following your thread. You're rocking it. I thought slurry was good for pH but that testing runoff ppm was actually effective.

 

[Dollar]

VB 35 days 1.8ec. I cut back the nutes from 2.2ec to 1.8ec and the leaves started fading almost immediately. Gonna be a killer harvest anyways.

 

[Aspenou812]

Hi Aspen. Been following your thread. You're rocking it. I thought slurry was good for pH but that testing runoff ppm was actually effective.

The ec readings with Coco can be all over the place. If just testing runoff..... The slurry test.... Basicly get a spoonfull of media use ro water, put the spoonfull in a clean cup cover it with Ro mix it up and test the remaining liquid..... In the cup..... And that's the slurry test...... I haven't found the need to test this whole round...... They were never flushed till I added water....... And there still getting plain water.....

 

[PriznnPlanet]

Testing the runoff in Coco is about useless..... A low dose flush is all you normally need. If testing Coco use a slury test..... Other wise you're wasting your time

Well for what it's worth I did another low dose flush, in at 300 and 5.9 out at 320 and 6. Hopefully these things will recover thanks for all the suggestions everybody.

 

[Trich_Tyson]

The ec readings with Coco can be all over the place. If just testing runoff..... The slurry test.... Basicly get a spoonfull of media use ro water, put the spoonfull in a clean cup cover it with Ro mix it up and test the remaining liquid..... In the cup..... And that's the slurry test...... I haven't found the need to test this whole round...... They were never flushed till I added water....... And there still getting plain water.....

Makes sense. I think
I don't think nutrients form strong bonds with coco. Sounds like with the slurry you basically dissolve the salts back into some distilled water.
Reading that back to myself it sounds like even a slurry test won't give accurate results unless you knew how much water to use in the test.
Then again. I only grew with coco once and never tested

 

[saitama]

day 24
.3EC base
.4EC of shine
.7EC of V+B RO

 

[MJINC]

day 24
.3EC base
.4EC of shine
.7EC of V+B RO

Looking nice. Is your base straight out of the tap? Is that not a little high to be using with V+B RO?

 

[packerfan79]

.3 water is what they recommend.

 

[saitama]

Looking nice. Is your base straight out of the tap? Is that not a little high to be using with V+B RO?

My tap is anywhere from .4 to .5. I do a 50/50 of RO and tap and end up with .3 or .2

.3 water is what they recommend.

On the money

 

[Lyfespan]

I think the purpose of flushing is to drain to waste. If you had any salt built up in your media, it would have gone back into your reservoir. You say that the PPM coming out is the same as going in, so perhaps there was no build up. You never know what exactly that 350ppm is made up of now. It could be deficient in one mineral and excess of another.

It may not be necessary, but if it were me, I would do the following:
-mix fresh reservoir of 350ppm tap/v+b
-toss old res because now it has who knows what from the ebb/flow
-flush from top and drain to waste until you see 350ppm
-continue ebb/flow with remains of res

This will put you back at zero completely without worrying about what was in the media before.

flushing is the act micicing the weathers natural progression, it rains more as the plant reaches the end of its natural cycle does it not? its this that changes the availability of nutes.

think about what plants get outdoors and try to apply that to your grows.

 

[saitama]

flushing is the act micicing the weathers natural progression, it rains more as the plant reaches the end of its natural cycle does it not? its this that changes the availability of nutes.

think about what plants get outdoors and try to apply that to your grows.

I think you are referring to final flush and I agree. We were talking about flushing excess salt

 

[Lyfespan]

I think you are referring to final flush and I agree. We were talking about flushing excess salt

from what type of media?

 

[saitama]

from what type of media?

coco

 

[Lyfespan]

coco

ah thats a trick one,

depending on what signs of stress the plant is already exhibiting, will determine how low you can drop the PH of the flushing solution.

flushing solution i use here is clearex, and EM-1, mix will read low ph like 4.2 plants seem to like it and salt on the smart pots disappears

 

[Old Toker]

Anyone have a problem with V&B clogging their drip lines?
Not sure that's my problem....but it seems as though the amount of water coming out of my 1/4" Ts has decreased since I first set up my system. Checked and cleaned the filter. The flow through the return valve (before the filter) seems fine...so evidently the pump is still producing the same. Checked the manifold lines....no kinks or crimps. I'm feeding 6x daily and DTW so I haven't used Drip Clean...or anything similar. Each 2 gal pot has two 1/4" drip lines with open Ts lightly secured on the surface of the coco. All 1/4" lines are exactly the same length. All I'm feeding is V&B RO & Pro-TeKt.
Any suggestions?

 

[dansbuds]

Anyone have a problem with V&B clogging their drip lines?
Not sure that's my problem....but it seems as though the amount of water coming out of my 1/4" Ts has decreased since I first set up my system. Checked and cleaned the filter. The flow through the return valve (before the filter) seems fine...so evidently the pump is still producing the same. Checked the manifold lines....no kinks or crimps. I'm feeding 6x daily and DTW so I haven't used Drip Clean...or anything similar. Each 2 gal pot has two 1/4" drip lines with open Ts lightly secured on the surface of the coco. All 1/4" lines are exactly the same length. All I'm feeding is V&B RO & Pro-TeKt.
Any suggestions?

if its anything clogging up the lines it would be the protekt , that shit crystalizes pretty badly .

 

[Old Toker]

if its anything clogging up the lines it would be the protekt , that shit crystalizes pretty badly .

I've seen it crystallize around the cap.....never thought about it being a problem when diluted and wet. Don't you use it?