any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[stoned40yrs]

It does exacerbate foxtails and spears on "some" strains if you don't lower the ec at a certain point in bloom. I don't think that point is really debatable. All this means is your feed schedule is not dialed in and that's not really debatable either. What it all boils down to is this feed better than others. My results even not dialed in tell me this feed is the best and worth the effort to get it dialed in. Just my opinion, nobody fucking cares what I use and nobody fucking cares what you use. I don't even care about some foxtails on some of my strains. Today I'm chopping a Bruce Banner#3 with donkey dick colas. The last week it grew some pretty foxtails off the colas. That's just V+B saying here's some extra dope- cut these tails off for your stash I'd rather try to dial in my V+B than go back to those other nute lines out there.

 

[ThaMagnificent]

It does exacerbate foxtails and spears on "some" strains if you don't lower the ec at a certain point in bloom. I don't think that point is really debatable. All this means is your feed schedule is not dialed in and that's not really debatable either. What it all boils down to is this feed better than others. My results even not dialed in tell me this feed is the best and worth the effort to get it dialed in. Just my opinion, nobody fucking cares what I use and nobody fucking cares what you use. I don't even care about some foxtails on some of my strains. Today I'm chopping a Bruce Banner#3 with donkey dick colas. The last week it grew some pretty foxtails off the colas. That's just V+B saying here's some extra dope- cut these tails off for your stash I'd rather try to dial in my V+B than go back to those other nute lines out there.

Yea, my last run was the 2nd time through with VB and I noticed fox tails too.

 

[Truthful]

Plants need a lot of PK in bloom, if you have to cut back on the dosage to lower the N doesn't that mean the other nutrients are being cut back on too? So if you were to cut the dose in 1/2 what you all are saying is it should be around 4 - 2.5 - 6.5? If that's accurate then they should take the 8 - 5 - 11 NPK ratio off the labels and maybe put something like an NPK by grams etc. to help growers use it better. Again I'm not talking about me I got my plants dialed in I'm talking about the hundreds of growers that think their plants like killer cause they're frosty as hell but they look f'd up from the pointy, foxtailled colas. Growing for over 30 years you pick up a thing or two I've used almost every one-part out there and V+B is a good nutrient but it does need a few things added to or subtracted from the formula. No doubt in my mind that's why they made the +Size for bloom cause you're cutting back the N mid bloom (and everything else) so they add back the PK and Ca lost with the +Size, but what about the people that don't use it?

I worked up to no more than 3.5g max V+B or 1g +Size to 3g V+B with my tap and I'm growing Stardawg, SFV, and a couple other OG and chem hybrids I'll say this though since I switched to RAW solubles all-in-one my plants are crushing even harder than they ever did with V+B.

 

[dansbuds]

I don't use a PK boost & i do cut my feeds in half for a week before i start leaching ..... & my buds come out just fine thank you !

 

[noyd666]

look like there dying dan's,,lol.

 

[dansbuds]

yup , just like i likem , dyin on the vines ! makes for a nice clean smoke ! can guarentee theres no chems left in my buds when ya smokem

 

[stoned40yrs]

Once in awhile I turn my brain on. I did it for awhile today thinking about my foxtailing. Running a lot of strains like I do I've occasionally seen very minor foxtailing and spearing using V+B. I wrote it off as strain specific and it may have well been that. As said very little only on a few plants and nothing to worry about. I had the same effect with canna A&B and GH. Then I was running 600w with huge fans below them to cool the light and a vortex to suck out the hot air from the rooms. Then I put in 1ks in aircooled tubes. That's when the foxtailing increased bigtime. Hanging a CMH 3000 made it worse. Yes not being able to lower the V+B and N later in bloom didn't help but I'm thinking both light and heat caused my problems and not the V+B. I don't know why I didn't put 2 and 2 together sooner but now I'm positive it wasn't the nutrients. Sorry if I implied it was the V+B

 

[Aspenou812]

Looking Fantastic Dan simply Beautiful.......... i know ill need some help with my feed schedule in flower, but i don't have to look far for advice Thanks to the great people here on the mag..... i'll be using the Veg+Bloom DIRTY in Pro Mix nothing else in flower so lets see how she does, I'll be vegging in Maxi Grow with v/h booster wish me luck and massive flowers

 

[Aspenou812]

Truthfull you know you could always start a RAW thread..... Maybe...... but it would be nice if you shared your pictures of your v+b grows in comparison to your raw grows..... This is the second time i have ask for comparison pictures.... let us see the difference with our own eyes.

 

[Aspenou812]

Dan i hereby volunteer my self to be designated as your personal bud Tester!!!!! anything you need tested either grown or smoked i'm you girl... and am now accepting samples purely for scientific reasons you understand........

 

[DoomsDay]

I'm actually interested in the raw line as well and would love to see some actual photos of it in use in a garden.

 

[dansbuds]

lol you'll be first on the list Aspen if anything needs testing !!!

& if you have any questions you know how to reach me

Happy Turkey day all

 

[dansbuds]

Once in awhile I turn my brain on. I did it for awhile today thinking about my foxtailing. Running a lot of strains like I do I've occasionally seen very minor foxtailing and spearing using V+B. I wrote it off as strain specific and it may have well been that. As said very little only on a few plants and nothing to worry about. I had the same effect with canna A&B and GH. Then I was running 600w with huge fans below them to cool the light and a vortex to suck out the hot air from the rooms. Then I put in 1ks in aircooled tubes. That's when the foxtailing increased bigtime. Hanging a CMH 3000 made it worse. Yes not being able to lower the V+B and N later in bloom didn't help but I'm thinking both light and heat caused my problems and not the V+B. I don't know why I didn't put 2 and 2 together sooner but now I'm positive it wasn't the nutrients. Sorry if I implied it was the V+B

the V&B will throw some foxtails too Stoner ,because of the heavy N content in the mix . thats the reason i started cutting it back to half the week before leaching , & it did stop the foxtails from getting any worse . i seen it more on the orange glue than i have with other strains . but i agree lighting & genetics have alot to do with it too .

 

[Truthful]

Sorry Aspen I don't post pics on forums anymore.

 

[ICbuds]

Dropping temps and reducing waterings stops foxtailing.

 

[Aspenou812]

Sorry Aspen I don't post pics on forums anymore.

That's to bad a side by side would really make your point clear, so just smoke those foxtails and smile..... or better yet save them for the hash pile.....

 

[Catatafish]

Dropping temps and reducing waterings stops foxtailing.

Reducing waterings? Please explain if ya could.

My first guess would be be reducing would rise the salt content in the media spiking ec......which i would think be more likely to foxtail.

Not being argumentitive, just trying to learn

 

[dansbuds]

Dropping temps and reducing waterings stops foxtailing.

i'm not trying to argue ..... but my temps are as low as i would want them at 75 lights on & 65 lights off .
plus less watering of 3 gallon pots of coco would cause them to dry out more & possibly build up salts & would slow down the growth of my plants . i feed just enough to keep the pots moist now & am thinking about adding more feeds of less volume . i did it in veg for the last 3 weeks for this next round going into flower & man its made a big difference !

 

[Catatafish]

i feed just enough to keep the pots moist now & am thinking about adding more feeds of less volume . i did it in veg for the last 3 weeks for this next round going into flower & man its made a big difference !

Ive been doing this too, seems to work better.

I figured out a little trick but im not sure how it would work in your setup Dan unless you test the runoff you suck up in the vac.....but anyways ...

what i was doing is just watching the meter on the run off to tell me when to add another feeding. I have 2 gal ebb & flow buckets plumbed to a 5 gal bucket with a pump on float switch to get rid of the runoff automatically. I watch the meter in that dump bucket. Once the ec starts rising a little more than i like in the runoff i add another feeding or run slightly longer on the drip times. I think im at 5 smaller feedings at the moment on wk 7 glue.

 

[dansbuds]

yeah i've got no real way of checking the runoff EC . it dumps right into the tray & theres residule nutes in the trays from all the runoff , so i know i'd never get an accurate reading from it . & i'm not pulling the pots out to catch runoff . i imagine as long as i get runoff by the last lights on feeding & get rid of it , i should be ok with the multiple feedings .