any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[ThaMagnificent]

I'm running ebb buckets with ro water. I add 2.5mL/Gal of Calmag, then top off with VegBloom nutes until I hit 600ppm and add some hydroguard. My pH is 6.1. They were at 1050ppm before and started showing some nute burn too. The plants are showing signs of CalMag and Nitrogen deficiencies and I have no idea why. It seems to be getting worse today too and I also ran their bloom booster per the HR directions as well. I'm running them under an Amare Pro9 which is a high powered LED

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

I'm running ebb buckets with ro water. I add 2.5mL/Gal of Calmag, then top off with VegBloom nutes until I hit 600ppm and add some hydroguard. My pH is 6.1. They were at 1050ppm before and started showing some nute burn too. The plants are showing signs of CalMag and Nitrogen deficiencies and I have no idea why. It seems to be getting worse today too and I also ran their bloom booster per the HR directions as well. I'm running them under an Amare Pro9 which is a high powered LED

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Whats up Mag


are you running the soft/ro formula ? and I dont know much about your system or leds but I do know that your PH seems a little high if you think its a nitrogen deficiency especially in a full hydro system. Id lower that ph to around 5.7-5.8 and see how they do. Also I run off ec not ppm. What week are you in looks like week 4-5 ? I dont think you were burning them unless you were going above 1.8ec.


Im in coco and I can tell you that when problems show up its not the nutrients 99% of the time its usually a user error on my part.
running magical + veg/bloom soft/ro and couldnt be happier

Just my 2 cents

 

[dansbuds]

I'm running ebb buckets with ro water. I add 2.5mL/Gal of Calmag, then top off with VegBloom nutes until I hit 600ppm and add some hydroguard. My pH is 6.1. They were at 1050ppm before and started showing some nute burn too. The plants are showing signs of CalMag and Nitrogen deficiencies and I have no idea why. It seems to be getting worse today too and I also ran their bloom booster per the HR directions as well. I'm running them under an Amare Pro9 which is a high powered LED

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I'm with Don , your PH is a little to high & the calcium is not availble to your plants at that level . drop it down to 5.8 for awhile & i'll bet they perk right up for you .

also not sure what your feed strengths are because we don't know what conversion your meter is using , but if its TDS or .5 scale your feeding kinda low . heres the conversion scale . talk to us in EC so we can better help you .

 

[brainzfuxed]

like stoned40years .... i only use additives in veg . in flower its straight up RO water & V&B 1.4EC max , nothing else is needed . don't even need PH adjustment at that EC level . only on the lower EC do i need silica as a PH up .

in veg i use V&B & the V/H boost & either calmag or epsom salts depending on the strain . & 90% of the strains don't need either one . just the finicky ones .
i give .8 EC for clones & seedlings & max out at 1.0 EC .

I usually run 6/9 at no more than 1.0 ec in flower. Should I do the same with veg+bloom or should I push them a little higher? I flower under a t5 or led it depends

 

[dansbuds]

I usually run 6/9 at no more than 1.0 ec in flower. Should I do the same with veg+bloom or should I push them a little higher? I flower under a t5 or led it depends

no start that low & if they look like they need more ..... give it to them . every system is different & things have to be adjusted to your system . All i can do you is give you a base line & what works for me , you adjust it from there .

 

[ThaMagnificent]

I upped it to 800ppm on .7scale and they perked up a little. I'm thinking it's either ph, too much calmag, or just too intense of an led since the pro9 was made to replace a commercial sized de 1000w. Do I need to add calmag with ro in veg bloom or no? I know leds require some extra calmag

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

I upped it to 800ppm on .7scale and they perked up a little. I'm thinking it's either ph, too much calmag, or just too intense of an led since the pro9 was made to replace a commercial sized de 1000w. Do I need to add calmag with ro in veg bloom or no? I know leds require some extra calmag

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They look happier still think it is ph related. And the cal mag won't hurt at that dosage so I keep it for insurance.

 

[dansbuds]

get your PH down to 5.8 & up the feeds to 900 or more on the .7 scale .

 

[kalopatchkid]

Doing a little outdoor experiment with the dirty formula and blumats. I'm loving the simplicity of it so far. Been doing organic soil for the last few years, so I am sure I will gain some haters...but time saved is more important to me right now.

Maybe I should ask on the blumat thread but will the v+b work with irrigro soaker hose or I've also heard it referred to as drip tape?
Ideally, I would just like to run one sensor per pot and make a ring around my plant with the drip tape.

Purple Goji x (OGKB X WET DREAM)

 

[dansbuds]

Doing a little outdoor experiment with the dirty formula and blumats. I'm loving the simplicity of it so far. Been doing organic soil for the last few years, so I am sure I will gain some haters...but time saved is more important to me right now.

Maybe I should ask on the blumat thread but will the v+b work with irrigro soaker hose or I've also heard it referred to as drip tape?
Ideally, I would just like to run one sensor per pot and make a ring around my plant with the drip tape.

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Purple Goji x (OGKB X WET DREAM)

get the drip emitters they make for the blumats . you can put as many as 6 in each pot i think i read .

 

[kalopatchkid]

get the drip emitters they make for the blumats . you can put as many as 6 in each pot i think i read .

I actually got a set they sent me by accident and they work awesome. I was just wondering if the irrigro tubing would work better or not at all with nutrients.

 

[brainzfuxed]

like stoned40years .... i only use additives in veg . in flower its straight up RO water & V&B 1.4EC max , nothing else is needed . don't even need PH adjustment at that EC level . only on the lower EC do i need silica as a PH up .

in veg i use V&B & the V/H boost & either calmag or epsom salts depending on the strain . & 90% of the strains don't need either one . just the finicky ones .
i give .8 EC for clones & seedlings & max out at 1.0 EC .

Do you still only feed max at 1.0 ec? 3/4 tsp puts me at around 1.0 ec and 1 tsp puts me at 1.4ec

 

[dansbuds]

Do you still only feed max at 1.0 ec? 3/4 tsp puts me at around 1.0 ec and 1 tsp puts me at 1.4ec

in veg , yes .

 

[brainzfuxed]

in veg , yes .

In flower what's the most you feed?

 

[dansbuds]

In flower what's the most you feed?

sorry brain , was outa town for a few days .

flower i tend to stick to 1.4EC as my highest feed , but they're are some like the orange glue i have in now that needed 1.6EC to be really happy .

so my EC feeds are just guide lines . your plants will tell you what they want . light green growth or def signs if they're not getting enough & tip burn on the fans if they're getting to much etc .....

 

[brainzfuxed]

sorry brain , was outa town for a few days .

flower i tend to stick to 1.4EC as my highest feed , but they're are some like the orange glue i have in now that needed 1.6EC to be really happy .

so my EC feeds are just guide lines . your plants will tell you what they want . light green growth or def signs if they're not getting enough & tip burn on the fans if they're getting to much etc .....

what about if they are perfectly green but fan leaves under canopy are dying in flower?

 

[dansbuds]

if its only the ones below the canopy , without more info , i'd be inclined to think light intensity is the problem . not enough or strong enough light getting to the lower half of the plant .
thin out some fan leaves blocking light or spread them out a bit more so more light can get through .

 

[LostInEthereal]

So I was about ready to order some more RO/Soft and I just seen that it's all out of stock. The dumb thing is, I was at the site a few days ago and I noticed all besides the 1lb were out of stock, I should have ordered one at that time to hold me over. Hopefully they re-stock relatively soon.

 

[LostInEthereal]

I'm having some issues with a recent batch of V+B, or at least I think that may be the culprit. I had some deficiency issues (I think) on a single plant, at least real obvious signs or browning between margins/veins near the bud sites and some obvious issues on fan leaves. I've since noticed some progression to the other plants and just now when checking on the seedlings (recently transplanted to 16oz party cups and fed 0.4 EC strength solution) as well. The seedlings have dark stems and the second set of true leaves are purpling.

I have a couple quick photos I took with my phone yesterday. I'm no expert and one could say I've been struggling along the whole way, but I was using up some old V+B from last year (Hard/Tap) and didn't have issues with my 0.1 EC tap out of the faucet. Now I'm flowering and purchased a pound of the new RO/Soft and having issues.

To be fair, I was only hand-watering once a day in coco in small 1 gallon pots (meant to be using Blumats by now), so I can't completely rule out other possibilities. Also fed in conjunction with the V+B is RAW calcium/magnesium to bring EC to ~0.3 before adding V+B. I also for about a week and a half was using a maintenance dose of DM Zone (I panicked and thought salt build up on smart pots looked like fuzzy mold). Anyway, sorry to drone on, I hope that's relevant info to those interested in helping, now a couple of pictures IC was kind enough to rotate on me.



First two BOG Sour Boggle under COB LED, last two a random leaf off a Dynasty Des*Tar Bx1 I noticed when feeding. I have since noticed (likely because I'm more aware and specifically looking) issues presenting on other plants as well.

Oh duh, all plants on day 30 of flowering. Feed at 1.4 (0.3 from tap + RAW cal/mag) EC pH 5.8. I have been last couple of days increasing strength, the Sour Boggle recently fed with 1.8 and finally 2.0, the rest of the crew 1.6 or so IIRC. Recent feeds have dropped the DM Zone and the RAW calcium/magnesium. Also should note that now plants hand watered 3x during lights on, usually an hour to two apart (ie, 5pm, 630pm, 9pm).

Alright V+B fam, I think that's most of the details and I do appreciate in advance any suggestions. I think I just need to up the feed and drop the other crap, but I'm quite the novice yet and not confident in my decision.

 

[dansbuds]

I'm having some issues with a recent batch of V+B, or at least I think that may be the culprit. I had some deficiency issues (I think) on a single plant, at least real obvious signs or browning between margins/veins near the bud sites and some obvious issues on fan leaves. I've since noticed some progression to the other plants and just now when checking on the seedlings (recently transplanted to 16oz party cups and fed 0.4 EC strength solution) as well. The seedlings have dark stems and the second set of true leaves are purpling.

I have a couple quick photos I took with my phone yesterday. I'm no expert and one could say I've been struggling along the whole way, but I was using up some old V+B from last year (Hard/Tap) and didn't have issues with my 0.1 EC tap out of the faucet. Now I'm flowering and purchased a pound of the new RO/Soft and having issues.

To be fair, I was only hand-watering once a day in coco in small 1 gallon pots (meant to be using Blumats by now), so I can't completely rule out other possibilities. Also fed in conjunction with the V+B is RAW calcium/magnesium to bring EC to ~0.3 before adding V+B. I also for about a week and a half was using a maintenance dose of DM Zone (I panicked and thought salt build up on smart pots looked like fuzzy mold). Anyway, sorry to drone on, I hope that's relevant info to those interested in helping, now a couple of pictures IC was kind enough to rotate on me.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=68914&pictureid=1660932View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=68914&pictureid=1660933View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=68914&pictureid=1660935View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=68914&pictureid=1660934View Image

First two BOG Sour Boggle under COB LED, last two a random leaf off a Dynasty Des*Tar Bx1 I noticed when feeding. I have since noticed (likely because I'm more aware and specifically looking) issues presenting on other plants as well.

Oh duh, all plants on day 30 of flowering. Feed at 1.4 (0.3 from tap + RAW cal/mag) EC pH 5.8. I have been last couple of days increasing strength, the Sour Boggle recently fed with 1.8 and finally 2.0, the rest of the crew 1.6 or so IIRC. Recent feeds have dropped the DM Zone and the RAW calcium/magnesium. Also should note that now plants hand watered 3x during lights on, usually an hour to two apart (ie, 5pm, 630pm, 9pm).

Alright V+B fam, I think that's most of the details and I do appreciate in advance any suggestions. I think I just need to up the feed and drop the other crap, but I'm quite the novice yet and not confident in my decision.

well theres your problem right there . you were letting the pots dry out with only 1 feeding in a 1 gallon pot & the PH is so far outa wack in the pots that your getting a PH lock out .
by adding more feeds now your on the way to fixing it , but its probably still slightly high .

first thing , ditch everything except the V&B , the other shit is not need & will only complicate the situation .
second , your feeding to high of an EC to try & compensate for the problem . you only need to be at 1.4 EC at the highest point in the feeds .

to fix the PH in the coco & get the girls back on track , mix up a batch of just V&B at 1.2 EC & a PH of 5.8 , feed that till you have about half of what you fed come through the pots as runoff . then suck out the runoff right away & get rid of it . do this for the next couple days every time you feed & the pots of coco should be pretty much reset . & you can resume your normal feeds at about 10% runoff .

one gallon pots should be fed multiple times a day in flower , especially as they go further into the cycle , they'll be eating more & the pots will dry out faster . NEVER let the pots get dry !!!! feed at lights on , half way through & right before lights off to hold them over untill the next feed at lights on .