My bad, I use a 18 gal tote from Walmart. The hydrated coco will fill it over half full
10 gal tote might be too small
10 gal tote might be too small
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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
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hey dans have you measured the ec of rez/run off?
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noyd666
dans ec at .8 bit weak ? I feed mine 1.2 straight out of veg barrel. seedlings I got I feed low 08. strange fer sure.
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noyd666
well dans there a fair bit on google. I just looked up= red stems on cannabis.
brainzfuxed
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Dans, why would it be the coco over the nutrient program? I am confused on how coco from diff manufacturers could really vary once the coco is hydrated and primed or charged. If I understand it correctly you are under the assumption that canna coco bagged coco tends to
Hold on to certain nutrients more than other brands leading to a deficiency. Is that correct?
To me it would seem like a nutrient issue
Hold on to certain nutrients more than other brands leading to a deficiency. Is that correct?
To me it would seem like a nutrient issue
i'm assuming its the coco because nothing i do or how i feed has changed . i'm still using the V&B RO formula with 2ml of the vitamin/ hormone booster in my veg feeds & i even cleaned & refilled my 30 gallon veg rez , just to make sure there wasn't something in there throwing the balance off . & a buddy using canna coco with different nutes is experiancing the same thing .
i've never precharged my coco from the bag before using it , never in 4 years of using the same brand from the same guy . so why would I & another person all of a sudden have problems after we transplant into fresh canna bagged coco .
its the only variable thats the same between us .......
i've never precharged my coco from the bag before using it , never in 4 years of using the same brand from the same guy . so why would I & another person all of a sudden have problems after we transplant into fresh canna bagged coco .
its the only variable thats the same between us .......
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the ec is very close but the ph is slightly lower than usual coming out of the pots . i haven't done a test on the coco right out of the bag yet though , thats next .
i thought PH imbalance too , but checked & recalibrated my meter . plus , my moms & more mature plants in veg & in flower are all doing fantastic . its only the young ones or any plant that gets transplanted into fresh coco .i had a mom that was in great health in a 5" pot that i transfered into a 3 gallon pot of fresh coco so i could grow it out .... it turned to shit in 2 days time ! almost 2 weeks later , its finally growing normal again , but i still see a mag def on the new growth .
PH & EC are both in exceptable range coming out of the pot ......
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that .8 EC was a just what the dude told me to finish at when mixing the base at .4 & the PK booster at .4 & to use that on fresh rooted clones ready for transplant .
thats what i start off with on clones , the bigger plants i max out at 1.0 & that feeds pretty good sized plants with no defs .
i'll check it out myself too ..... is there any mention of using a pk booster in your feeds to help fix it ? first time i've heard that one & am kinda scetchy on trying it . i really need a better understanding of how these elements react with each other , especially in coco .
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noyd666
think I did see something about a booster, might have been on other site. have to have another captain cook. was mention of genetics etc.
I feel like i'm highjacking this thread guys , i just wanted to know if anyone else was seeing problems with bagged canna coco .
i really don't think its the V&B or the V/H booster ....... but ya never know .
i'll get this figured out & give ya'll a heads up on what i find out . Thanx for all the ideas !!!
i really don't think its the V&B or the V/H booster ....... but ya never know .
i'll get this figured out & give ya'll a heads up on what i find out . Thanx for all the ideas !!!
Dans thats pretty typical when your coco isnt precharged enough and strips Ca/mag from solution making them unavailable for the plant wich shows stunted growth as calcium is fundamental in moving food into plant and mag is important in photosintesis. If you are using straight RO you dont have any ca/mag in starting water, nutes are usually designed to be used with tapwater with a 0.2 - 0.3 ec wich contains a bit of micronutes so also some ca/mag as well as bicarbonate wich helps in ph stability.
I would simply cut RO with some clorine free tap water in order to reach a 0.2 starting ec. Then add a bit of ca/mg to reach 0.3 - 0.4 ec and start from that adding nutes.
For precharging coco you can just put it in pots and do a first irrigation with a lot of run off using a regular solution at 0.9 - 1.2 ec like there where plants..doing that you fill coco with ca/mag so it wont be stripped from ferts hence plants on their early days. The reason you see the issue go away is because at that point coco has acumulated enough ca/mag and plants go back to health. There is a lot of good readings about coco in "Canna talks" online ilearned a lot..
I would simply cut RO with some clorine free tap water in order to reach a 0.2 starting ec. Then add a bit of ca/mg to reach 0.3 - 0.4 ec and start from that adding nutes.
For precharging coco you can just put it in pots and do a first irrigation with a lot of run off using a regular solution at 0.9 - 1.2 ec like there where plants..doing that you fill coco with ca/mag so it wont be stripped from ferts hence plants on their early days. The reason you see the issue go away is because at that point coco has acumulated enough ca/mag and plants go back to health. There is a lot of good readings about coco in "Canna talks" online ilearned a lot..
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useless.gardens
My bad, I use a 18 gal tote from Walmart. The hydrated coco will fill it over half full
a 5 kilo block of coco , with 4 to 6 gal of water (i use compost tea), will fit perfect & expand in a 18 gal tote.
my first feed & every feed after transplanting is & has been with V&B RO formula at an EC of .8 to 1.0 PHed to 5.9 & V&B has always had plenty of calcium & magnesium in the mix , especially the RO formula ! so why the sudden change ??? ya dig what i'm getting at ?
If i remember correctly my buddy Dan has just awful tap water and has to Filter,Filter Filter,Filter Filter,Filter and then ro to use it. He's pretty awesome and i hope his water has improved in the new spot. This is really good information thank you for that post
Dan sorry Hun im surely not trying to speak for you that post just rung a bell from a previous conversation good luck i know you will get this issue fugured out youre just that kind of AWESOME
Could it be a change in the way they pre wash the coco or a change in the source of the coco no idea but companies like the one i work for outsource when it's necessary to keep up with demand and on occasion quality may suffer.... But in in the Textile industry not the coco industry
LoveofKush
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Just got some dirty and plan to use promix hp. Anybody have tips they can share?
Ive used pressed unbuffered coco many times and if not enough precharged plants always looked like yours. Try and feed with your formula ( i am not familiar with V&B i assume it stands for veg and bloom but i dont know wich company we are talking) before transplanting in order to buffer coco before plants get in.
your in the veg & bloom thread dude , do some reading . it has plenty of calmag in the mix already . & like i said , i've used the same nutes & uncharged coco for the last 4 years & NEVER had this problem till recently . so unless HR changed the formulas again without saying anything , or canna has done something different to their coco to make it react differently .
i do appreciate ya trying to help though
but your giving me info i already know . not trying to be a dick , just saying .& yeah i plan on precharging the coco before using it on my next transplants . also gonna see if my hydro guy can get me the bricked canna coco , so i can just charge it with nutes as i'm hydrating it . would make it alot easier for me that way then trying to precharge the bagged stuff .
