8-5-13 for v+b...6/9, I haven't a clue.
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8-5-13 for v+b...6/9, I haven't a clue.
brainzfuxed
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Thanks but I mean more specifically the elemental
Breakdown as far as total nitrogen phosphorus potassium magnesium and calcium ppm at standard dose to compare to the 6/9 or Lucas?
6/9 is the lucas formula & you do realize that its only good for flower & really isn't all that good either . it lacks so much that it just isn't worth using anymore , plants need so much more than that formula offers .
its a good base for newbies to start off using if you have no clue about nutrient values .
its a good base for newbies to start off using if you have no clue about nutrient values .
brainzfuxed
Member
6/9 is the lucas formula & you do realize that its only good for flower & really isn't all that good either . it lacks so much that it just isn't worth using anymore , plants need so much more than that formula offers .
its a good base for newbies to start off using if you have no clue about nutrient values .
dans, i do know that 6/9 is the lucas formula.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]N 97
P 60
K 105
Mg 41
S 27
Ca 97
[/FONT]im asking for the elemental ppm or breakdown of veg+bloom brother for comparisons sake
6/9 is a "standard dose", or set ratio of GH or GH type nutrients. There is no "standard dose" of v+b. It's entirely strain/system dependent.
brainzfuxed
Member
So your saying there abolutely no way to calculate the elemental ppm breakdown of it, at say 5grams a gallon? Or how would i go about calculating it?
5 grams is a standard dose just like 6/9.
Would love to know the elemental breakdown of 5g, 6g, 5g and 1g shine and 4g and 1g shine.
Would love to know the elemental breakdown of 5g, 6g, 5g and 1g shine and 4g and 1g shine.
This is for 5g/gal:
Element Symbol PROFILE
ppm
Nitrate N NO3 214 91.1%
Ammonium N 21 8.9%
Urea N NH2 0 0.0%
Nitrogen N Total 235
Phosphorus 135
Potassium K 325
Magnesium Mg 106
Sulfur S 108
Calcium Ca 262
Iron Fe 2.85741
Boron B 0.26420
Manganese Mn 2.22131
Zinc Zn 0.00000
Molybdenum Mo 0.02207
Sodium Na 0.00000
Copper Cu 0.00000
Chlorine Cl 0.00000
Cobalt Co 0.01297
Silicon Si 0.00000
Selenium Se 0.00000
Just the 5g/gal v+b. The #'s are from a nutrient profile calculator I got from another member. IMO, the "shine" is best left on the shelf at the hydro store. I've never even seen "push", and I've never felt the lack of it either
brainzfuxed
Member
Don't those numbers seem a little high for 5 grams a gallon? I see many members on here using 5 grams and gotta say wow that's a lot. Way more concentrated than maxibloom makes me wonder if the calculation is correct
here is a better comparrison of my hydrobuddy results and Ez Riders results for 5 gram/gallon.
and an example of the hand calcs.
V+B has 10% calcium w/w
10(%Ca) x 10= 100 ppm Ca from one gram per liter
3.785 liters in a gallon, so
100/3.785= 26.4 ppm Ca from one gram per gallon
26.4 x 5 = 132 ppm Calcium from 5 grams V+B per gallon.
and an example of the hand calcs.
V+B has 10% calcium w/w
10(%Ca) x 10= 100 ppm Ca from one gram per liter
3.785 liters in a gallon, so
100/3.785= 26.4 ppm Ca from one gram per gallon
26.4 x 5 = 132 ppm Calcium from 5 grams V+B per gallon.
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All I'm SURE of is that 5.5g(1tsp)/gal gives me 1.6EC and works great for flowering SourBubble. The calc you're showing looks low, and I'll agree that the one I'm using could be hi. I just plugged in the #'s off the label.
Ooops, there were extra values already in the calculator I cleared them out, and I get:
NO3 101.7
NH4 14.5
NH2 0.0
N Total 116.2
P 31.7
K 156.8
Mg 36.3
S 65.4
Ca 145.3
Fe 0.29062
B 0.29062
Mn 1.01717
Zn 0.00000
Mo 0.00145
Na 0.00000
Cu 0.00000
Cl 0.00000
Co 0.00000
Si 0.00000
Se 0.00000
That's at 5.5g/gal + 1.5g/gal epsom salts
Sorry for the confusion. I'm still learning how to use the calculator
I cleared them out, and I get:NO3 101.7
NH4 14.5
NH2 0.0
N Total 116.2
P 31.7
K 156.8
Mg 36.3
S 65.4
Ca 145.3
Fe 0.29062
B 0.29062
Mn 1.01717
Zn 0.00000
Mo 0.00145
Na 0.00000
Cu 0.00000
Cl 0.00000
Co 0.00000
Si 0.00000
Se 0.00000
That's at 5.5g/gal + 1.5g/gal epsom salts
Sorry for the confusion. I'm still learning how to use the calculator
brainzfuxed
Member
It has a high amount of calcium. Curious why others have to add cal mag if it really has what it states it has?
I've often wondered this myself. I'm finding that experienced users are mostly just adding epsoms for extra Mg. I believe the problem arises from ca/mg mostly being sold as one product. Many growers see them as the same element. IMO, the surest sign you're feeding too light with v+b is if you see a ca deficiency. Ca is usually the first to show in my experience...YMMV. I'd also like to add that since I've switched from HPS to CMH lighting, my plants seem to be more Mg hungry. Again, YMMV.
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brainzfuxed
Member
Agreed and good point. Would love to hear from others why they are feeling the need to supplement cal/mag with this as opposed to just mag? This has nearly 2x the calcium of maxibloom and more than one a half times the calcium of 6/9
