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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
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Awesome, thank you!
I was wondering about using epsom all the way after calmag.
I currently also run in coco.
I'm thinking 1g/gal epsom might be a little strong for every feed. Im going to drop it down to .5g/gal. 1g/gal works out to about 100ppm.
Hi dansbud im in coco hempy and try to drop cal mag few times through flowering because I have crazy run off ppm but plants show me cal def immediately. Two watering with lower than full dose cal mag and cal def pop at top leaves. Do I need to take care for cal def after 5 weeks of floweing? My cal mag is high on nitrogen and I thing this affect buds production. Any tips to avoid cal def in the future?
use the calmag right up till week 4 then use just epsom salts till the plain water feeds . the coco holds onto calcium more than it does anything else . so there will be plenty to sustain them till finish . but i'd find a calmag with no nitrogen in it . Techniflora calmag is probably the best .
5ml (1tsp) of epsom in a 5 gallon bucket is plenty of epsom salts . not sure what it weighs out to in grams .
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plain ol epsom salts
thanks bro! im hoping i wont need nothing this year tho bc i amended my soil with basalt rock dust,gypsum,azomite, and oyster shell flour. i feed weekly with sea-90 as well. so far i havent had no nutrient def and im also doing a test on a few plants. i did my normal potting mix fox farm happy frog with the above rock dusts and added just oscomote plus and so far the two plants that i used oscomote on look just as well or better then the plants im using maxi gro and floralicious plus on. once flowering starts i will pull the nylon out the soil with the oscomote prills in it and then begin my V+B dirty. if my quality is the same come end of season then i will eliminate all the veg foods and make it alot more simplier & cheaper for me
The techniflora still has N...2-0-0, but I'd agree that it's the cleanest ca/mg product I've seen. The PH is pretty close to 5.8, so it doesn't mess with the feed PH, like a lot of the others do.
I've had a few people suggest to me that given 10% Ca, and an NPK of 8-5-13, that it should be impossible to see a Ca def without simultaneously showing an N def, and possibly a P def, especially in veg. These same people have suggested to me that Mg is the only def you're likely to see, assuming that the base feed is strong enough. They suggest 1-2g/gal epsom salt for Mg ONLY. What's your opinion of this?
My experience with v+b is pretty much limited to SourBubble in coco, with blumats. That being said, when I run too low of an EC, I begin to see all sorts of deficiency symptoms, starting usually with Ca, then N, then all sorts of weirdness if I don't up the feed EC. I've never actually managed to burn the plants, even running 2.0 for several weeks. Then again, SourBubble is always ready to eat more.
thats the same thing a few of us have run into when feeding to low . it looks like the PH is out whack cuz of the weird defs . but feeding a bit more always clears it up . had this happen on a few strains .
as far as the mag instead of Calmag ..... i strongly agree ! only use calmag if you see a cal def ..... other wise mag is usually enough to keep most strains happy . its the most missdiagnosed def i've seen . other than peoples PH being outa range , which to me is more important than EC levels !
Yeah, I see a lot of people calling what is clearly mg def, as a "calmag" or even just a Ca def. Comes from them being sold in the same bottle is my guess. A friend of mine with a horticulture/chemistry background insists that no plant should become Ca deficient with 10% Ca in the feed, unless something else is out of whack. He says the 2.5%mg is far more likely to be an issue, especially at lower EC's and using RO water. This friend doesn't actually grow cannabis, but he's got plenty of experience with other types of plants. It makes sense, and seems to agree with what the plants are telling me. I'm fortunate that my PH stays very stable as long as I don't add calmag Adding epsom doesn't seem to matter, but calmag tends to make my PH creep up. Also, the SB feeds heavy, and v+b seems more PH stable at higher EC's...YMMV.
yup , me too
So, in regards to gg#4: Do you recommend calmag, or just adding epsoms? The SB seems to like additional Mg in the form of epsoms, but calmag will give me P uptake problems after a few weeks of use.
GG4 just needs extra Mag , especially in veg ! epsom works great in the feeds or a foliar
thats the calcium fucking with cations & P uptake in coco & why they say NOT to use it after week 4 .
So, what, if any strains do you find actually need additional Ca when using v+b in coco?
sour bubble (of course) & her crosses so far . the GBbx doesn't need cal as much as it does mag cuz they're more glue dom .
other than that .... i can't really think of anything i've ran in the last couple years that showed a Cal def .... iron , Mag , ph fluctuations ..... but no Calcium defs .
even sour dubb is a Mag hog
most of my strains are very happy with just the base & vitamin/hormone booster .
other than that .... i can't really think of anything i've ran in the last couple years that showed a Cal def .... iron , Mag , ph fluctuations ..... but no Calcium defs .
even sour dubb is a Mag hog
most of my strains are very happy with just the base & vitamin/hormone booster .
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I'm about to start using the Shine / +Size. Day 28 on chem 4. I'm thinking .25 g/gal of shine. Has anyone experimented with the Shine at different dosages? I am using 50 ppm / .1EC starting water, coco feed 3 times a day.
I had a bad run of HD and +size about a year ago, I'm a bit gunshy of using the recommended dosage of shine.
I had a bad run of HD and +size about a year ago, I'm a bit gunshy of using the recommended dosage of shine.
I'd be more gunshy of the HD. Almost every coco grower in this thread uses RO formula. .25g/gal of +size is a tiny amount, why bother? Myself and others have be seeing very satisfactory results from using RO formula as a stand-alone. In all honesty, the runs I did with HD and +size were some of the worst in terms of yield, although the quality was still great. I see no real difference between using +size, or omitting it. Remember, HR originally designed/marketed v+b as a 1 part system and it works just fine as such. Just my
@EZ I hear ya on the HD, it really screws up low ec starting water. ph plummets. I am currently using 4g/gal RO and 1g/gal HD. I've seen specific morphology come out of plants on HD that I have not seen on RO. Additionally, I'm not sure if the RO pulls out as much grease as the HD does. I'm hoping to achieve a fine balance of the two. You said you have not noticed a difference between using the +size/shine and not using?
Sounds like you're basically using 1tsp/gal. What EC does this give you?
What exactly is it you see with HD that you don't with RO? I liked HD ok in veg, but it didn't seem to measure up in flower. Slower growth and lower yields.
I didn't see any benefit from the +size vs my better runs without it. Also the +size leaves a LOT of sediment behind in the res.
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Whats the nutrient composition or ppm of n-p-k of veg+bloom vs 6/9 at standard ratios?
