any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[slowandeasy]

Vitamin/Hormone booster, and yes...I like it for sure. I notice a difference a lot on my Sour Bubble. I have one Sour Bubble plant that was cloned a week prior to a couple other, and it has now surpassed both the other SB that I was feeding MaxiGrow and the VH booster. Until dansbuds told me about it, V+B was growing the plants WAY too slow. 2ml per gal of the hormone booster mixed with 1.2-1.4 EC RO mix is proving to be MUCH better! Without the hormone booster your plants will look healthy, but lack vigor in veg. I am hoping all of my strains like it as much as the Sour Bubble for veg, and 3 other strains that I started feeding the same mix yesterday. I switched 2 Sour Bubbles from MaxiGrow to V+B with hormone booster, because they were not stretching as much as I would like. my Sour Bubble mom receives NO hormone booster, it is getting too tall. I might give Air-layering a try to split the mom up into a few smaller plants... Anyways, anyone using RO version for veg should use that VH booster, unless you need slow veggers. V+B works ok for veg, will keep plants healthy, but no vigor. I need vigor. I have been using tat PUSH spray too,not sure how much that is helping. Spraying 2 times per week. I will update how my other strains do in Veg with the RO version with VH booster...I know how they all do without it, good but slow.

 

[Ez Rider]

I have not used it in flower yet, but I see a difference in veg...and dans buds uses it the first 2 weeks of Flower, I'm gonna try that out soon. My Sour Bubble needs to stretch, so I will try the VH out on my next Sour bubble in flower.

I hear you there. I'm growing SourBubble exclusively, and I know how painfully slow she can veg. I was growing BOGBubble too, but it grew so much faster in veg that I had to give it up. So how big of a difference do you see in veg with SB? I've got a bottle of VH on order, and I've already got rooted clones under 20w t-5's. I'll probably turn on my veg light in a week or 2. I tend to let them root longer than normal, because I take cuts off of just about to be flowered plants, rather than keeping mothers(no space). I've just changed up my grow quite a bit, and any input that lowers the learning curve would be appreciated.

 

[the gnome]

glad i ran across this thread
Ive been looking at hydro research fertz for a few weeks.
texaskid does phenominal gro's
I ordered push for foliar and size for boom enhancer.
I have plenty of base nutes so I may wait on the v+b til next round.

so what is the vit-hormone stuff you guys talking about?
is it a hydro research product ?

 

[Ez Rider]

Vitamin/Hormone booster, and yes...I like it for sure. I notice a difference a lot on my Sour Bubble. I have one Sour Bubble plant that was cloned a week prior to a couple other, and it has now surpassed both the other SB that I was feeding MaxiGrow and the VH booster. Until dansbuds told me about it, V+B was growing the plants WAY too slow. 2ml per gal of the hormone booster mixed with 1.2-1.4 EC RO mix is proving to be MUCH better! Without the hormone booster your plants will look healthy, but lack vigor in veg. I am hoping all of my strains like it as much as the Sour Bubble for veg, and 3 other strains that I started feeding the same mix yesterday. I switched 2 Sour Bubbles from MaxiGrow to V+B with hormone booster, because they were not stretching as much as I would like. my Sour Bubble mom receives NO hormone booster, it is getting too tall. I might give Air-layering a try to split the mom up into a few smaller plants... Anyways, anyone using RO version for veg should use that VH booster, unless you need slow veggers. V+B works ok for veg, will keep plants healthy, but no vigor. I need vigor. I have been using tat PUSH spray too,not sure how much that is helping. Spraying 2 times per week. I will update how my other strains do in Veg with the RO version with VH booster...I know how they all do without it, good but slow.

Thanks for the info

what is VH?

is it from hydroponic research also?
looked on their site but dont see it.
sorry if this is a stupid question but you all sound like you like it so i thought id ask.
thanks.
peace-T-

Vitamin-Hormone Boost MbFerts: http://http://www.mbferts.com/Hormone-Vitamin-Booster-Canna-Boost-Rhizotonic-Alternative-116.htm

 

[the gnome]

the link doesn't work, but I found it at MBfertz

thanx EZ

 

[Tonygreen]

i always found maxi at 1 tsp per gallon way to strong ! it came out to like 2.2 EC .
thats almost double the strength i use . if your going to feed that strong make sure of 3 things ..... 1 make sure you get runoff every time you feed . 2 get rid of that runoff right away ! do NOT let the pots sit in it long enough it dries out . thats how salts build up . & 3rd ... if you do a once a week flush , never use plain water , just do it with a very week nute mix . plain water will throw off the cations in the coco & you'll have all kinds of Defs showing .
why you changing the rez so often ? how small of a rez are you using ? my 18 gallon totes used to last 4 days before they needed refilling . never really cleaned them out unless shit got in them . i just topped them off & remixed my nutes in it . i do the same with my 55's now . run it till its almost empty (7 to 10 days)& refill & remix .....

This. My plants are doimng much better this round after dropping from 1 tsp to .5 tsp maxing out at .75 tsp in high flower... doing much better all around. Less mg issues this time as well... I don't own a meter so...

You guys rocking the sour bubble hard should check out the Gorilla Bubble. I am a bubble head myself, nothing better for my pain..
Vigor on GB is insane compared to pure sour B and branching is much improved, I'd love to get some of you guys opinions sometime.

 

[Copperfield]

This. My plants are doimng much better this round after dropping from 1 tsp to .5 tsp maxing out at .75 tsp in high flower... doing much better all around. Less mg issues this time as well... I don't own a meter so...

You guys rocking the sour bubble hard should check out the Gorilla Bubble. I am a bubble head myself, nothing better for my pain..
Vigor on GB is insane compared to pure sour B and branching is much improved, I'd love to get some of you guys opinions sometime.

Damn tony, I would love to get ahold of that gorilla bubble..... Just haven't been lucky enough to come across it yet....:-(. All good tho.... That's why I been chucking ya know..... Just trying to improve on my own gear that I've been blessed to come across so far from good friends...... My brother is having some serious health issues as well r now w cancer so I'm really trying to incorporate the sour bubble into my gear..... It's a heavy indica. I hear the indicas are good for pain n such......
Respect

 

[stoned40yrs]

How did the Canna batch turn out? I am not that impressed with HD, and the Dirty is horrible for Coco. So far on ALL side by sides the RO version is absolutely the only product that I know works well in Coco. I have a bunch of HD left, so I will be experimenting with it on other strains that I have. And I may also try a 2 to 1 ratio of RO to HD. I harvest weekly, so I am cloning weekly...plenty of extras to try experiments on.

Canna kicks ass compared to the HD, very noticeable increase in size smell and taste compared to all other nute lines I've tried. I was impressed bigtime, I should have tried it a long time ago. I still wish I would have tried V+B regular or RO instead of that HD. Next time.

 

[dansbuds]

How tall did they finish at dan? If I vegged my Sourbubble that long under hps, it would finish at 6' or so. No way I could contain it in a tent. When you say a 60 day veg, are you talking rooted plants under hid's for 60days, or are you counting the time it takes them to root them? In the past, I've let my clones root under 20w t-5's for up to a month, then under a 432w t-5 for 3-4 weeks, then 4-5 weeks of veg under the hps. I guess technically speaking, I've been vegging for ~90days, but the first 60 days is under t-5's with little to no growth. Usually under 10" when they hit the hps. I've always counted just the hid time.

sorry i missed this EZ ......

i veg from clone in 5" pots under t5's for a month , then they go into 3 gallon pots under my MH for 2 to 4 weeks , depending on how much i top or train them .
this round finished up at a little over 4' , so slightly less than doubled in size from when they went in . these were topped a few times & then spread out , so they were pretty short going in .

 

[Aspenou812]

My dirty is not ph correcting at the levels i'm using it at now I'm hoping that will correct itself when i start to feed at a higher ec! At the moment i'm only at .7 ec with my babies so, I may use some Maxi that i have on hand if i have to ph it anyway

 

[Ez Rider]

My dirty is not ph correcting at the levels i'm using it at now I'm hoping that will correct itself when i start to feed at a higher ec! At the moment i'm only at .7 ec with my babies so, I may use some Maxi that i have on hand if i have to ph it anyway

Don't use dirty, but RO and HD won't "auto ph" for me until I run it at ~1.2EC or above.

 

[the gnome]

I got my order in of their bloom fertz--->Size
about the feed schedule and how you guys are using it,

is it used every feed cycle or a once a week additive
btw
I'm in soil
if your using a rez for hydro or coco what kind of ppms/EC are you working with?

 

[Ez Rider]

I got my order in of their bloom fertz--->Size
about the feed schedule and how you guys are using it,

is it used every feed cycle or a once a week additive
btw
I'm in soil
if your using a rez for hydro or coco what kind of ppms/EC are you working with?

I don't care for the +size. Like dansbuds and others, I think I do just as well, or better without it. It also leaves a sandy residue in my rez that I don't care for. With straight RO formula, my res is sparkling clean. That being said...

HR recommends using +size starting ~day21 of flower through ~day42 of flower(56day strain). You add it every feed during those weeks. 1-2grams/gal is what they recommend, I wouldn't recommend more than 1g/gal. The idea is to add +size to your water first, then use the base powder to bring the water up to your desired final EC.

In the past, I've ran pretty hi EC's(1.6+) in flower, but it's resulted in nute burn in late flower. On advice from dansbuds, I'm running 1.0EC in weeks 1&2, 1.2EC week 3, 1.4EC weeks 4&5, 0.7EC week 6, plain water for weeks 7&8. I'm mid week 3 at the moment, and everything's looking good. I use ReadyGro(coco/perlite) in 4l pots, and feed with blumats. With soil, I got no idea. My guess is HR will recommend the Dirty for soil, and most everyone on here seems to be using RO in coco or hydro. Hope that helps.

 

[Ez Rider]

I'm curious: Is there anyone out there who uses the HD in coco, and likes it?

 

[Aspenou812]

No EZ i got the dirty when it came out and have 5 pounds of it to use so i'm in promix hp Im going to see how the GG4 dose with the Dirty and the MB Ferts Hormone and Vitamin booster added at 2 Mills per gallon

 

[slowandeasy]

I'm curious: Is there anyone out there who uses the HD in coco, and likes it?

I am toying around with the HD, but RO is better for Coco IMO.HR suggests using RO til Week 1-2, then switch to HD. I have a new siide by side in flower. I will be using RO with NO + size and RO for 1st 2 weeks, then use HD weeks 3-6 with + size 1/4 tsp per gal. Plants are small for me, but stretch a lot and using GH nutes. And require Mag in flower. When I use HR at 1.2 EC I add anlittle Epsom and the same plant stays way greener, and grows better...even finishes faster than with GH. But last round I did the same plants, slightly larger thsan these 2. The Hd plant was not as nice, did not yield as much, and lacked smell. I have th e same 2 strains, small...just flipped yesterday. And I will also try the same thing on 2 Sour Bubbles next week. Maybe certain strains will do better on HD, but not mY ExPerience so far. I will try to be as close as possible with watering amounts, but if one needs more...it needs more and that is want to see. I have a few pounds of HD left and a few pounds of RO. I know I will buy more RO, HD has some issues to proves to me. Oh yes, I have to pick up a jug to make a 2:1 ratio RO to HD. I shall see how this does.
,

 

[dansbuds]

No EZ i got the dirty when it came out and have 5 pounds of it to use so i'm in promix hp Im going to see how the GG4 dose with the Dirty and the MB Ferts Hormone and Vitamin booster added at 2 Mills per gallon

just make sure you stop the V/H boost before you flower them ! it makes them stretch even more than normal in flower & GG4 doesn't need any extra stretch !!! lol

 

[Aspenou812]

just make sure you stop the V/H boost before you flower them ! it makes them stretch even more than normal in flower & GG4 doesn't need any extra stretch !!! lol

V+B Dirty in Promix hp Day 6 going to 500 ppm or 1.0 ec today

 

[dansbuds]

Them is HUNGRY girl !!! feed'em & give'm a tsp of epsom salts in the mix too .

 

[Aspenou812]

Them is HUNGRY girl !!! feed'em & give'm a tsp of epsom salts in the mix too .

Ok so on that note i Mixed up to 1.0 ec and added 1 tsp of epsom salts then blended with ro water back to 1.0 ec PHed to 6.2 and fed them all making sure to have good run off in the tray This morning they are starting to green up