any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[testymctester]

Everybody's room is going to be different BG. I saw a little burn with little ones in veg using V&B at 1.0 EC and got a little burn on some girls in flower as soon as I went over 1.5. The V&B guys told me to keep bumping up a tenth of a point until I saw burn and then back off just a bit.

My veg EC is now 1.0 and my peak flower EC is now 1.5. Everything looks super healthy.

 

[Ez Rider]

Everybody's room is going to be different BG. I saw a little burn with little ones in veg using V&B at 1.0 EC and got a little burn on some girls in flower as soon as I went over 1.5. The V&B guys told me to keep bumping up a tenth of a point until I saw burn and then back off just a bit.

My veg EC is now 1.0 and my peak flower EC is now 1.5. Everything looks super healthy.

HR told me the same. I was fine with EC's as high as 1.8 thru most of veg and flower, it was just in the last 10 days or so, when I was already on plain water that they crisped up. I'm running blumats, with 0 runoff, so it could just be that it took 6 weeks to build up to a toxic level. In any event, I'm taking the opposite course this run: Feed as low as possible without seeing problems. I'm feeding my veg plants @ .8EC for now. They're ~1' tall, and at the moment I'm hand feeding to runoff 1x a day. Hoping to get the blumats installed and running by the weekend. Then I'll up to 1.0EC at the beginning of flower, build up to 1.4 thru week 6 , then taper off to 0. Pretty much imitating dansbuds. Just going a little longer on the feed. My sourbubble seems to do the most stacking in weeks 5 and 6, so I think I shouldn't taper of till then. Any opinions?

 

[dansbuds]

yeah, i'm kinda opposite thinking of Chris from HR . i don't feed till burn then back off .... i'm sorry but thats fuckin crazy !!! i feed light & if i see defs i'll boost the feeds till they're happy !

& i think your right EZ on the toxic build up by late flower , that would explain alot ! even in hempys i always ran to runoff so it couldn't build up .coco holds onto nutes easily like a soil , & can build up easily too , thats why the runoff is needed unless you do half strength feeds like every other feed .


sour bubble is done by 8 or 9 weeks , so i would start tapering down by week 5 at the latest . theres plenty of nutes built up in the coco to get them through the fattening stage .

i'm at day 36 on my gorilla bubbles & they get half strength on the next rez Then at day 50 they go to plain water , then chopped around 63 days

 

[Alpha Phase]

I think the thing with my system is the hydroton really doesn't hold many salts or water at all and the multiple flood and drains a day, even when I first started using maxi, and my friend used the stuff for years told me to start at .5ec, the first couple grows I thought I was burning them but it turned out I just wasn't feeding enough and as soon as i bumped it up to 1.4ec on a new rooted clone, all the problems went away. I'm just happy v+b is keeping 6 strains in the same flood tray alll nice and happy, with maxi I had to mix and match the grow and bloom to get a workable solution and it was starting to get a pain in the ass. Even though I don't like the price of it, I'll be using it for all of my veg at leas, t from here on out, nothing has worked as well for me, I might switch to v+b in flower eventually, too.Strains are mendo breath, diamond og, black lime reserve, ghostrider og v.2, sherbert, pcg gsc and cherry pie, so there's quite a range of cuts that are happy with the same solution.

 

[DJXX]

yeah, i'm kinda opposite thinking of Chris from HR . i don't feed till burn then back off .... i'm sorry but thats fuckin crazy !!! i feed light & if i see defs i'll boost the feeds till they're happy !

& i think your right EZ on the toxic build up by late flower , that would explain alot ! even in hempys i always ran to runoff so it couldn't build up .coco holds onto nutes easily like a soil , & can build up easily too , thats why the runoff is needed unless you do half strength feeds like every other feed .


sour bubble is done by 8 or 9 weeks , so i would start tapering down by week 5 at the latest . theres plenty of nutes built up in the coco to get them through the fattening stage .

i'm at day 36 on my gorilla bubbles & they get half strength on the next rez Then at day 50 they go to plain water , then chopped around 63 days

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wow wow wow...thanks Dans....always a pleasure seeing your grows...much respect..DJXX

 

[Ez Rider]

yeah, i'm kinda opposite thinking of Chris from HR . i don't feed till burn then back off .... i'm sorry but thats fuckin crazy !!! i feed light & if i see defs i'll boost the feeds till they're happy !

& i think your right EZ on the toxic build up by late flower , that would explain alot ! even in hempys i always ran to runoff so it couldn't build up .coco holds onto nutes easily like a soil , & can build up easily too , thats why the runoff is needed unless you do half strength feeds like every other feed .


sour bubble is done by 8 or 9 weeks , so i would start tapering down by week 5 at the latest . theres plenty of nutes built up in the coco to get them through the fattening stage .

i'm at day 36 on my gorilla bubbles & they get half strength on the next rez Then at day 50 they go to plain water , then chopped around 63 days

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The sourbubble has consistently finished for me at 8 weeks. Given that fact, you recommend full strength(1.4EC) only thru week 5? Then tapering off, or going to flush? To keep this simple, what strength would you recommend for each week? The blumats keep the pots just short of runoff 24/7(ideally), but there isn't any actual runoff. Thanks dan, your help is appreciated. I'd like to git dialed on v+b, as it fits really well with my growing style(low maintenance).

 

[dansbuds]

yeah on an 8 weeker i wouldn't go past 5 week with full strength , week 5 do 2/3rds strength ( 1.0 EC ) then week 6 do half ( .7EC ) , then leach (feed plain water ) for 7 & 8 .

you have to remember this is a 1 part nutrient , & you don't want all that nitrogen in the last few weeks of flower , drop it off at the same time you would add a PK booster .... dig it ???

 

[dansbuds]

I think the thing with my system is the hydroton really doesn't hold many salts or water at all and the multiple flood and drains a day, even when I first started using maxi, and my friend used the stuff for years told me to start at .5ec, the first couple grows I thought I was burning them but it turned out I just wasn't feeding enough and as soon as i bumped it up to 1.4ec on a new rooted clone, all the problems went away. I'm just happy v+b is keeping 6 strains in the same flood tray alll nice and happy, with maxi I had to mix and match the grow and bloom to get a workable solution and it was starting to get a pain in the ass. Even though I don't like the price of it, I'll be using it for all of my veg at leas, t from here on out, nothing has worked as well for me, I might switch to v+b in flower eventually, too.Strains are mendo breath, diamond og, black lime reserve, ghostrider og v.2, sherbert, pcg gsc and cherry pie, so there's quite a range of cuts that are happy with the same solution.

yeah alpha , your going to feed a little stronger & longer than my schedule cuz of it being hydro . coco holds onto the nutes alot more than hydro will , so your going to feed slightly different .
i'm switching over to hydro myself , flo & gro , so i'm going to have to redial these nutes in to that system myself .

 

[Ez Rider]

yeah on an 8 weeker i wouldn't go past 5 week with full strength , week 5 do 2/3rds strength ( 1.0 EC ) then week 6 do half ( .7EC ) , then leach (feed plain water ) for 7 & 8 .

you have to remember this is a 1 part nutrient , & you don't want all that nitrogen in the last few weeks of flower , drop it off at the same time you would add a PK booster .... dig it ???

Thanks dan So how would you feed for the first 4 weeks?

 

[dansbuds]

My rez lasts a week , so its damn near perfect . i start at 1.1 for the first week , 2nd week is 1.2 , 3rd is 1.3 & week 4 is 1.4 , my peek . i keep it there for a week or 2 depending on the flower time . then i drop the EC down untill i start leaching .

 

[Alpha Phase]

yeah alpha , your going to feed a little stronger & longer than my schedule cuz of it being hydro . coco holds onto the nutes alot more than hydro will , so your going to feed slightly different .
i'm switching over to hydro myself , flo & gro , so i'm going to have to redial these nutes in to that system myself .

For sure, I run mostly ebb buckets and flood trays in flower and I veg everything first in flood trays. When I was using v+b in my ebb buckets last year, it works amazingly well. I usually have multiple strains in the system and I think last time I flowered in ebb buckets with v+b my flower ec was right around 1.6 if my memory serves me right, maybe touch 1.7ec briefly. What I like about it is i don't really find a need to raise ec too much between a rooted cut and full flower, just a few points and that's about it, keeping it between 1.4-1.7 for the whole grow. I may run the first 4 weeks of flower with v+b then switch to maxibloom to finish because the v+b works very well for me in early flower but like you mentioned a little too high on the N with out dropping the ec and adding a pk, and I think maxi might fit the bill there. I'll probably give that a try and then a run with all v+b and see which works better, I did hear the formula changed a little since the last I used it

 

[dansbuds]

i've had great luck with nothing but V&B all through flower !!! don't use any PK boosters at all anymore .
i might add a little calmag during the transition on calmag hungry strains , but nothing else.
Alpha , you seem to be just the opposite of everybody else using V&B . most need help during veg with some type of additive (myself included ) & they love it in flower .

 

[Alpha Phase]

i've had great luck with nothing but V&B all through flower !!! don't use any PK boosters at all anymore .
i might add a little calmag during the transition on calmag hungry strains , but nothing else.
Alpha , you seem to be just the opposite of everybody else using V&B . most need help during veg with some type of additive (myself included ) & they love it in flower .

thats so weird lol! it's always seemed that i have to do different things here and there than others, maybe it's my tap water or something lol. My tap runs under .2ec and I have no idea whats in it (calcium levels) or anything, and I use the RO version with the tap. A couple strains I ran v+b with all the way through just needed a little more calmag added mid flower, or just a little lower N for OG crosses (which is weird i know since they can gobble up N quite a bit lol). Have you tried using just a little higher ec in veg and ditching the calmag? That might even things out in veg I reckon while keeping the nutrient profile the same, but just raising everything equally, maybe give that a shot on a plant or two and see if it helps, then cruise on through flower as you usually do

 

[Ez Rider]

i've had great luck with nothing but V&B all through flower !!! don't use any PK boosters at all anymore .
i might add a little calmag during the transition on calmag hungry strains , but nothing else.
Alpha , you seem to be just the opposite of everybody else using V&B . most need help during veg with some type of additive (myself included ) & they love it in flower .

Hey dan, what's that stuff you use in veg? How do you use it?

 

[CHEFfy]

If I'm not mistaken, he uses mbfert's vitamin/hormone product. It's a fairly concentrated liquid added to your veg mix.

 

[PetFlora]

My rez lasts a week , so its damn near perfect . i start at 1.1 for the first week , 2nd week is 1.2 , 3rd is 1.3 & week 4 is 1.4 , my peek . i keep it there for a week or 2 depending on the flower time . then i drop the EC down untill i start leaching .

During veg, EC goes up due to plants sucking up more water than nutes, and evaporation.

As EC goes up I dilute the rez with pure structured water

Interesting that you are switching to hydro. My new germ/clone technique uses coco to start them.

I then place into 3" coco insert and filled with cc, but over time some of the cc was draining back into my rez. Probably not a big deal, but this time...

Once decent root mass develop I will wash the cc off and insert into 3" net pots side filled with small ornamental stones (Dollar Store)

See pics from last clones

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[RustyShcklfrd]

Hey yall, is this the V+B user thread? Im about to pull my first V+B run and ive got nothing but good things say. Feeding .85ish (600ppm) for veg and 1.15ish (800ppm) for bloom. Do any of you V+B gurus have advice on feeding amounts while transplanting from a cloner to coco, I havent had a smooth transition yet, nothings taking off like if i put them im organic soil, so im sure im screwing it up. Thanks to all yall for posting up the knowledge.

 

[slowandeasy]

Hey yall, is this the V+B user thread? Im about to pull my first V+B run and ive got nothing but good things say. Feeding .85ish (600ppm) for veg and 1.15ish (800ppm) for bloom. Do any of you V+B gurus have advice on feeding amounts while transplanting from a cloner to coco, I havent had a smooth transition yet, nothings taking off like if i put them im organic soil, so im sure im screwing it up. Thanks to all yall for posting up the knowledge.

Clone in coco...problem solved

 

[Twisted pleasur]

Hey yall, is this the V+B user thread? Im about to pull my first V+B run and ive got nothing but good things say. Feeding .85ish (600ppm) for veg and 1.15ish (800ppm) for bloom. Do any of you V+B gurus have advice on feeding amounts while transplanting from a cloner to coco, I havent had a smooth transition yet, nothings taking off like if i put them im organic soil, so im sure im screwing it up. Thanks to all yall for posting up the knowledge.

Water them a little bit three times every day right at the roots until they take off. You have to bath the roots with food.

Just dont water them once at transplant. The coco is a inert medium does not give newts to the roots like organic soil does and inlays the problem.

In cloner the roots are in a bath and your basically starving them. And you can not over water in coco just under water.

 

[dansbuds]

Twisted is right Rusty . most people saturate the pots on transplant into coco & thats where the problems lie because your smothering the roots . as far as feeds on young clones , i give them .7 EC

EZ , i use MBferts vitamin/hormone booster in veg & its made a world of difference in the health of my younguns !!!